Tralee to Fenit Greenway

gobnaitolunacy · 17-09-2013 2:13pm

Quaderno wrote: »

I just want to leave that here for future reference:

How convenient, for the silage bale owners.

delthedriver · 17-09-2013 2:51pm

Tralee Fenit cycle way is a joke at this stage. How long has it been in the making? 3, 4 or 5 years?

There are too many people acting like clowns.

It would be a great tourist attraction, meanwhile the whole thing reminds me of a scene from The Field.!:)

Judgement Day · 17-09-2013 5:38pm

will the Tralee - Listowel line ever reopen as a railway? :pac:

kingdumb · 17-09-2013 9:06pm

Haaaaaaaaaaa this is a complete joke !

the minister for tourism and transport has said he wants this route opened and will make money available. Then when money is offered the council say they don't have the resources.

And that bull about having to to concentrate on other routes, they have lost a 1/4 of a million euros funding for the Fenit route while twiddling their thumbs, plus the other routes are on private land.

Campaigners have been working to get the north Kerry line developed for 25 years now, priorities ? No they support a South Kerry project that has been on the scene a couple of years .

kingdumb · 17-09-2013 9:09pm

Twenty-five years GST here still
Trying to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination

I realized quickly when I knew I should
That the world was made up of this brotherhood of goombeenen
For whatever that means

And so I cry sometimes
When I'm lying in bed Just to get it all out
What's in my head
And I, I am feeling a little peculiar.

And so I wake in the morning
And I step outside
And I take a deep breath and I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
What's going on?

And I say: HEY! yeah yeaaah, HEY yeah yea
I said hey, what's going on?

And I say: HEY! yeah yeaaah, HEY yeah yea
I said hey, what's going on?

ooh, ooh ooooooooooooooooh
ooh, ooh ooooooooooooooooh

and I try, oh my god do I try
I try all the time, in this institution

And I pray, oh my god do I pray
I pray all sanctity
For a revolution.

And so I cry sometimes
When I'm lying bed
Just to get it all out
What's in my head
And I, I am feeling a little peculiar

And so I wake in the morning
And I step outside
And I take a deep breath and I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
What's going on?

And I say, hey hey hey hey
I said hey, what's going on?

And I say, hey hey hey hey
I said hey, what's going on?

And I say, hey hey hey hey
I said hey, what's going on?

And I say, hey hey hey hey
I said hey, what's going on?

ooh, ooh ooooooooooooooooh ooooooooooooooooh

Twenty-five years I'm alive here still
Trying to get up that great big hill of hope
for a destination
mmh mh

gobnaitolunacy · 17-09-2013 9:13pm

Plus this South Kerry scheme may have more obstacles, that closed in 1960, and the land would have either been sold to landowners or will have been squatted on. Either way CIE have washed their hands of the Valentia Harbour branch a long time ago. It has ceased to be in State ownership.

Smells of diversionary tactics, 'oh, look over there...a giraffe'.

CIE should grow a pair and tell the squatters and nimbys on the north kerry and fenit branches to go stuff themselves.

delthedriver · 17-09-2013 9:56pm

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Plus this South Kerry scheme may have more obstacles, that closed in 1960, and the land would have either been sold to landowners or will have been squatted on. Either way CIE have washed their hands of the Valentia Harbour branch a long time ago. It has ceased to be in State ownership.

Smells of diversionary tactics, 'oh, look over there...a giraffe'.

CIE should grow a pair and tell the squatters and nimbys on the north kerry and fenit branches to go stuff themselves.

CIE should grow a pair and tell the squatters and nimbys on the north kerry and fenit branches to go stuff themselves

Bring in the bulldozer!:D

kingdumb · 17-09-2013 10:11pm

Yes land was sold, and is now in private hands.

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Plus this South Kerry scheme may have more obstacles, that closed in 1960, and the land would have either been sold to landowners or will have been squatted on. Either way CIE have washed their hands of the Valentia Harbour branch a long time ago. It has ceased to be in State ownership.

Smells of diversionary tactics, 'oh, look over there...a giraffe'.

CIE should grow a pair and tell the squatters and nimbys on the north kerry and fenit branches to go stuff themselves.

kingdumb · 17-09-2013 10:23pm

Just in case anyone doesn't know what is happening here, the funding that is on offer here is the National Cycle Network (NCN) Local Authority Funding Scheme

The Minister for Public and Commuter Transport, Mr. Alan Kelly TD, has announced approximately €6.5m worth of funding to Local Authorities to deliver cycle routes under the second tranche of the National Cycle Network (NCN) Local Authority Funding Scheme 2014-2016.
Applications are now being invited, from Local Authorities, under this Scheme.

And in case you are wondering what the National Cycle Network is, here is a nice map of it:

From which you can clearly see that in Kerry the route comes south from Limerick along the railway to Tralee and then head east Cork via Killarney.

So the only project from the four they mentioned that is actually part of the NCN is the Ballyseedy/Tralee route, and the North Kerry railway is clearly part of the network.

If anyone knows anyone in Kerry Co Co can you show them this map as they obviously haven't seen it.

kingdumb · 21-10-2013 1:58pm

According to a report on Radio Kerry this morning North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Action Group are no longer claiming ownership of the line.

serfboard · 21-10-2013 5:10pm

kingdumb wrote: »

According to a report on Radio Kerry this morning North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Action Group are no longer claiming ownership of the line.

That would be great news. However, I don't see anything about it on Radio Kerry's website.

What I do see is this, which was posted last week ...

Radio Kerry wrote:

A public meeting is being held in the Listowel Family Resource Centre at six o’clock this Saturday ... The North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Group is just one of a number of organisations, including Kerry’s Oireachtas members invited to Saturday evening’s meeting. Maps of the proposed route will be on display, as well as a survey of residents who live along the proposed extension to the route.

and this, which was posted yesterday.

Radio Kerry wrote:

A recent canvas saw members of the Great Southern Trail meet with landowners in order to hear their concerns about the proposed walkway.

Cathaoirleach Liam O Mahony says while the meeting was well attended, they are disappointed at the lack of representation by Kerry County Councillors and management.

gobnaitolunacy · 21-10-2013 8:14pm

Hopefully some common sense has dawned on the objectors.

kingdumb · 22-10-2013 10:15am

It was on Kerry Today, one of the Pierce's was on talking about the meeting held there on Sunday. Doesn't seem to be on the podcast.

serfboard wrote: »

That would be great news. However, I don't see anything about it on Radio Kerry's website.

What I do see is this, which was posted last week ...

and this, which was posted yesterday.

Quackster · 14-11-2013 7:28pm

Tralee TC are to proceed with extending the greenway from Rock St to Edward St, which will also link in with the river walkway to Brewery Road. Should be going to public consultation this side of Christmas.

gobnaitolunacy · 25-11-2013 3:21pm

Had a little cycle along what has been done so far over the weekend, seems a decent enough job, despite the 'bad part of town' style security railings everywhere.
Small bit of dog crap and a trespass sign of dubious legal standing on the gateway beyond, that was all.

Drove the remainder of the route, or rather alongside it. Some cheeky bugger made a nice little gated boatyard from himself out of the former Fenit station throat, elsewhere the route was overgrown in places but not totally impassable. A rather miserable looking cycleway was delineated by paint lines on the road.

kingdumb · 27-11-2013 12:36pm

Sean o'Rourke on RTE1 now talking about the North Kerry Lines...

RikkFlair · 27-11-2013 11:58pm

kingdumb wrote: »

Sean o'Rourke on RTE1 now talking about the North Kerry Lines...

Listen here http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A20480643%3A15036%3A27%2D11%2D2013%3A

The voices of opposition get their say, I really can't see how a greenway could turn into a crime blackspot.

kingdumb · 28-11-2013 12:59am

Where did you see/hear this
?

Quackster wrote: »

Tralee TC are to proceed with extending the greenway from Rock St to Edward St, which will also link in with the river walkway to Brewery Road. Should be going to public consultation this side of Christmas.

lottpaul · 28-11-2013 10:13am

kingdumb wrote: »

Sean o'Rourke on RTE1 now talking about the North Kerry Lines...

Heard this yesterday morning and it was either a) hilarious or b) deeply disturbing

The main objections were centred around hordes of criminals descending on north Kerry on foot or on their bikes, stealing everything within sight - including children!!
There was also a mention of people having their privacy invaded etc and people walking through farmyards.
When asked about the positive experience in west Limerick there were lots of ifs, buts, maybes, silences etc.
Either someone is very skilfully spreading genuine fear and dread in the locals or else they are holding out for some form of monetary gain etc,,,
Hopefully something can be sorted out before too long.

gobnaitolunacy · 28-11-2013 10:24am

Sounds like a ridiculous combination of Bull McCabe, scaremongering and NIMBY-ism.

RikkFlair · 28-11-2013 5:43pm

Might be the potential for a nice little bike hire business for someone in Listowel down the line (pardon the pun), not to mention the possibility of B&Bs and such establishments benefiting from same, just look at the Mayo Greenway for evidence of this.

The farmer in that interview, fair enough he has security concerns, but then he says it would be great if they could find another route....good luck with that!

And that woman talking about her children being abducted, yeah...by cyclists and joggers and families out for a Sunday stroll with their buggies. CHRIST! Sure we might as well close all the roads too, in case the child snatchers are using them!

If people employed this type of thinking, nothing constructive would be done anywhere, ever.

kingdumb · 29-11-2013 1:03am

RikkFlair wrote: »

Might be the potential for a nice little bike hire business for someone in Listowel down the line (pardon the pun)

There is already one new a bike hire business on the Limerick side, although it is suspected locally that this is merely a cover for a (I see your pun and raise you) drug peddling operation.

RikkFlair wrote: »

The farmer in that interview, fair enough he has security concerns, but then he says it would be great if they could find another route....good luck with that!

Ya he and the other woman have no issue with cycle/foot paths once they are built somewhere else, funny that.

RikkFlair wrote: »

And that woman talking about her children being abducted, yeah...by cyclists and joggers and families out for a Sunday stroll with their buggies. CHRIST! Sure we might as well close all the roads too, in case the child snatchers are using them!

Ya what the hell is she on about, I used to do most of my child snatching by bike, but as I could only fix 2 in my panniers I now mostly use a car, isn't the new Listowel road great !

Quaderno · 06-04-2014 9:42pm

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2014/0406/20557460-construction-begins-on-connemara-greenway/

Everything said in that short news report is equally true for "our" greenway. Maybe it's about time to start another push? We really need to get this done already...

whisky_galore · 07-04-2014 10:04am

Had a look at the stretch done so far at Tralee, pity about the palisade fencing, that sure does look butt-ugly. Thought I was in Ballymun for a sec.

kingdumb · 08-04-2014 9:47pm

And imagine 'our area' being the focus of article like this....

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79825331/

The whole project is gone beyond a joke at this stage.

It seems Tralee just got e1.3 million for cycle/pedestrian facilities, so hopefully this will kick-start something

Quaderno wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2014/0406/20557460-construction-begins-on-connemara-greenway/

Everything said in that short news report is equally true for "our" greenway. Maybe it's about time to start another push? We really need to get this done already...

kingdumb · 08-04-2014 9:48pm

That stuff ain't cheap either !

whisky_galore wrote: »

Had a look at the stretch done so far at Tralee, pity about the palisade fencing, that sure does look butt-ugly. Thought I was in Ballymun for a sec.

xxyyzz · 09-04-2014 11:54am

From Kerry's Eye:

Good news for Tralee: the town is to receive over €2 million through the Active Travel Towns programme, which is designed to improve cycling infrastructure within towns.

It will improve cycling connections to and from schools, introduce traffic calming measures and in some cases allow for the development of on and off-road greenways in the town.

According to Labour TD Arthur Spring, a proposed 6 km cycleway from the Forge Cross to Blennerville with the aim of connecting the Institute of Technology Tralee with Blennerville, via Tralee town centre, is included in the programme of works to be carried out.

This programme is co-funded with €1.3 million provided to Tralee making Tralee the highest recipient of all the towns in Ireland. The rest of the $0.9 million funding is being provided by Kerry County Council.

carchaeologist · 13-04-2014 10:01am

^ you could pay them to cycle on the proper cycle ways but they will still use the road...

xxyyzz · 13-04-2014 4:18pm

carchaeologist wrote: »

^ you could pay them to cycle on the proper cycle ways but they will still use the road...

And they'd be well within their rights

counterlock · 14-04-2014 2:50pm

xxyyzz wrote: »

It will improve cycling connections to and from schools, introduce traffic calming measures and in some cases allow for the development of on and off-road greenways in the town.

They'd be better off getting a gard or a traffic warden at to go to the schools at peak time. At mounthawk, its difficult enough to navigate through in a car, never mind a bike. Cars parked in the cycle lanes on both sides of the road, on top of the pedestrian crossing and on three out of the four entrances to the roundabout.

kingdumb · 24-04-2014 12:01am

Word on the street is that the official opening of the first section of the Tralee - Fenit route is happening tomorrow.

amadain · 26-04-2014 2:44pm

kingdumb wrote: »

Word on the street is that the official opening of the first section of the Tralee - Fenit route is happening tomorrow.

IF SO, presume it's politically motivated - before the Tralee Town Council is null and void !

Quackster · 15-05-2014 2:12pm

€345,000 Department of Transport funding announced today towards the development of the Edward St to Rock St section. It's part of an overall €10 national cycleways package that also includes the Cahersiveen to Valentia greenway.

Details here: http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2014/govt-announces-%E2%82%AC10-million-investment-greenways-%E2%80%93-minister-alan-kelly

flanders1979 · 15-05-2014 11:02pm

I wish they could split the lane for cyclists and pedestrians. Some people are a bit stupid and need some guidance.
I often have my daughter on the child seat on my bike, it's a pain in the ass having to weave in and out through people who won't give me a feckin inch.

whisky_galore · 16-05-2014 8:13am

They have them marked on one cycle/walkway I frequent. Walkers still wander all over the cycle half and almost block up the whole width of the track with buggies 2 abreast and things. On the other hand, the lycra-clad head-down, ar*e-up brigade go blasting through on their own personal Giro. Stupid is as stupid does. And then there are the dog walkers....
Not a fan of the shared pavements, sort of blurs the line around cycling not allowed on them and leads many to assume that ALL pavements can be cycled on.

kingdumb · 26-05-2014 9:45am

Quackster wrote: »

€345,000 Department of Transport funding announced today towards the development of the Edward St to Rock St section.

Plus Tralee Town Council have put aside €100,000 from their surplus for the development of that section
That is a total of €445,000 or about 1k per meter !

Quaderno · 20-06-2014 3:41pm

There is still hope

CIE has agreed to divest to Kerry County Council land which will allow for the completion of the Tralee to Fenit Greenway as well as a walkway between north Kerry and west Limerick.
Alan Kelly Minister of State at Department of Transport Tourism and Sport
Junior transport minister Alan Kelly made the announcement during a visit to Kerry today.

He said the transfer of the land would allow the walking and cycling route along the old Tralee-Fenit railway line to come to fruition.

Source: http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/cie-agrees-to-hand-over-lands-for-completion-of-kerry-greenways/

serfboard · 20-06-2014 4:32pm

Quaderno wrote: »

http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/cie-agrees-to-hand-over-lands-for-completion-of-kerry-greenways/

While this is good to hear do we have any greater confidence that Kerry Co Co will be more proactive in kicking squatters off the land than Iarnrod Éireann were?

I think they'll be less so, since they're more likely to be subjected to (and to give in to) lobbying by said squatters.

Expect to hear plenty of stories about poor Paud and the hard work that he has done on his garden ... (with no mention of the fact that the garden wasn't rightfully his in the first place).

kingdumb · 07-07-2014 11:24pm

Not too sure why this is news CIE agreed to do this in the 1980 Kerry CoCo couldn't be bothered with it.

Hopefully they will take advantage of it this time around !

Quaderno wrote: »

CIE has agreed to divest to Kerry County Council land which will allow for the completion of the Tralee to Fenit Greenway as well as a walkway between north Kerry and west Limerick.

Quackster · 31-10-2014 1:28am

Work is now underway clearing the line between the Big River and Rock Street.

stevielenihan · 01-11-2014 11:08am

Somebody should get photos of this clearance work?

Quaderno · 04-11-2014 6:47pm

There you go:

stevielenihan · 05-11-2014 1:41am

Nice Photos

whisky_galore · 10-11-2014 12:10pm

Scenic it aint, hopefully they'll make a burst into open countryside.

sheesh · 10-11-2014 12:32pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Scenic it aint, hopefully they'll make a burst into open countryside.

Yeah I'd prefer if they started on the more contentious part of the route a walking/cycle path all the way out to fenit would be a great asset for people in the town and surrounds. I imagine whole families cycling out to fenit during the summer. and it would make a good all weather route for hiking too.

Judgement Day · 10-11-2014 2:03pm

sheesh wrote: »

Yeah I'd prefer if they started on the more contentious part of the route a walking/cycle path all the way out to fenit would be a great asset for people in the town and surrounds. I imagine whole families cycling out to fenit during the summer. and it would make a good all weather route for hiking too.

It used to be a great asset to the people of Tralee (and Castleisland) in the 1970s when CIE used to run seaside specials on the line.

kingdumb · 10-11-2014 9:43pm

It might not be scenic but a very important section:
for tourism, train direct to the start of the route.
for schools will ultimately provide direct access to 2 primary schools from Brendans park, Cahersless, Connolly park areas.
and connect the exitting path with the path along the big river and onward when/if that gets developed.

Hopefully the continuation on to Fenit, Abbeyfeale will come soon, the TF line should be abandoned by now, as no objections were received, and they preparing the sale to KCC.

From the resent CoCo meeting

CIE are progressing an ‘Abandonment Order’ in respect of that portion of the Tralee - Fenit Railway line, between Ballynahoulort and Fenit.
This notice relating to the ‘Abandonment Order’ was put into the ‘Kerryman’ and ‘Kerry’s Eye’ newspapers and was dated 4th July 2014.
CIE have waited the statutory minimum period and are satisfied that the proposal can now be brought before the next meeting of the CIE Board on the 4th
September.
They have received no submissions/objections in relation to the proposal, for the ‘Abandonment Order’, and currently preparing sales plans of the line and this will
include wayleaves, licences and details of sale and ownership of old cottages etc.
The situation will be reviewed again after the next board meeting of CIE on the 4th September.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Scenic it aint, hopefully they'll make a burst into. open countryside.

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Quaderno · 10-11-2014 10:21pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Scenic it aint, hopefully they'll make a burst into open countryside.

True, but I expect it will eventually end up looking a lot better than it does right now. I understand the palisade fencing on the right hand side of the picture will go and there will also be some green spaces of nearly the width of the path itself on the side along the line (behind the houses in Casement Ave.) as well. A gate in the wall on the left towards the Dunnes carpark is also being considered which would be quite useful.
The works on the other side of the river next to An Sean Mhuileann and opposite the train station are also progressing well. It's just a new bridge that is needed now to connect the two parts:

whisky_galore · 11-11-2014 10:10am

Quaderno wrote: »

True, but I expect it will eventually end up looking a lot better than it does right now. I understand the palisade fencing on the right hand side of the picture will go and there will also be some green spaces of nearly the width of the path itself on the side along the line (behind the houses in Casement Ave.) as well.

They put up brand new palisade fencing on the refurbished section. Honestly, can anyone put up anything that looks better than this correctional facility standard ugly fencing? The country is ruined with it.

Quaderno · 14-11-2014 1:16pm

A few more pictures from the short section between Edward Street and the Big River, all taken just a few minutes ago:

P.S.: For anybody who is reading this thread but might not be familiar with the area in question, it is the space right under the white cross in the centre of the map: http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.271826&lon=-9.700799&z=18.9&r=0&src=msa

Tralee to Fenit Greenway

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