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"no Irish " ad in Oz

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    #152
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    That's simply incorrect.

    Ultimately it's not, he doesn't have to hire an Irish person if he doesn't want to.
    Dudess wrote: »
    Bit dismissive to call it internet outrage, and I presume your "Irish people are good at" whatever doesn't apply to you, even though you're also Irish.
    It's a discussion forum, an incident of discrimination against Irish people is being discussed as is fitting with the medium. Irish people aren't unreasonable for finding this objectionable. And you've obviously missed the significant number of simpering "Oh yeah it's fine to discriminate against Irish people" comments - from Irish people.

    What else is it then? As I said already, it's one bloke on the other side of the world. It's not going to be 'knock on the door' outrage is it? :confused:

    And I never said I had a problem with it being discussed because that falls under the remit of what I said - Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them. Case in point right here.
    Are other nationalities not? Is there something wrong with it? Actually the self loathing inferiority complex rubbish seems more prevalent among Irish people than other nationalities.

    And Irish people talking about "the Irish" as if they're the other, displays a staggering lack of basic self awareness.

    BWatson, if someone put up a sign saying "No northern Ireland Protestants" I have my doubts you'd be upset at people spreading the word and making their anger known.


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    #153
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Is that not a bit of a generalisation?
    Not at all, Northern Ireland is in fact the most racist place on earth by the most reputable study I can find, which is why anytime these threads arise the nod squad shows up in force.

    You delightful characters up there have made us all so proud.


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    #154
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Liveline's about to start, you sound like one of Joe's cronies so maybe give him a shout.
    So I take it you support racism then?


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    #155
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    You have facts to back this up?

    I'd be happy to read them.

    Up until the 1970s the government in oz practiced the abduction of aboriginal children from their families to be raised as whites. Aborigines still face much racisim to this day. In 2008 the prime minister ken russel apologised for this in parliment. The abduction of aboriginal children was referred to as the stolen generation.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998067,00.html

    From time magazine:
    When the welfare officers came to take three-year-old Archie Roach from his tin-lined house in Framlingham in southeastern Australia, they told his mother they were escorting him to a picnic. His aunt tried to scare them off with a gun, but it wasn't loaded. Institutionalized in a Melbourne orphanage, young Archie was told his family had died in a fire. His minders tried to force his hair straight, breaking comb teeth in his frizzy curls. It was a vain attempt by whites to make an Aboriginal child more like them. It didn't work, and the combs weren't the only casualties

    Under a government policy that ran from 1910 to, unbelievably, 1971, as many as 1 in 10 of all Aboriginal children were removed from their families in an effort to "civilize" them by assimilation into white society. Their story of suffering, abuse, and lost identity--long Australia's dirty secret--is finally forcing itself out. It's an uncomfortable development for many Australians,

    Oz has a lot to answer for.


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    #156
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    In fairness Doc, you're being pretty intolerant towards people from N.I.


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    #157
    Nesta99
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    #158
    Xavi6
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    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Liveline's about to start, you sound like one of Joe's cronies so maybe give him a shout.
    So I take it you support racism then?

    Not getting uptight about something doesn't mean you support it.

    Even the not so bright should know that.


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    #159
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Good thing I got a screenshot then.



    His contact details are already posted north, south, east and west on the internet.

    I shall be sending them and the screenshot of his advert to media outlets in both Ireland and in Australia - hopefully by shining a light on bottom feeding mouth breathers like this the next guy will think twice before going for it, and who knows, maybe cause that minority of Aussies who hold similar views to re-examine them and discover the greivous error of their ways.

    Wow. This has really got to you, and I don't blame you - but it is one fool, remember. is it really worth the effort when there are so many other things that could benefit from your time and effort.

    As said, one idiot makes a ridiculous comment, keep it in perspective.


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    #160
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    guitarzero wrote: »
    Dudess wrote: »
    Learn what political correctness means.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

    Problem?
    Political correctness is a system of tiptoe-ing around so you don't offend people. Not discriminating against people hardly falls under that description.
    Your post I referred to is like a Stewart Lee piss-take.


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    #161
    ash23
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    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Why would they hire an Irish person then sack them because they're Irish? :confused:

    Here, have a rolleyes back for not thinking that analogy through - :rolleyes:

    Why would they not hire an Irish person because they're Irish? Bigotry doesn't make sense so therefore might very well hire an Irish person and then fire them because of an intolerance they developed to Irish people.

    I thought the analogy through but you didn't answer the question. Would you be as willing to shrug it off and say it was their call if it happened to you?


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    #162
    lucylu
    Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭lucylu


    angry kitten wrote: »
    Damn it, the ad was removed when I looked a minute ago, ah well I'll just have to be morally outraged anyway. Personally I'd rather our hard drinking Gaa idiots were exported, less of them here then. I've noticed some of my neighbours offspring who are in their mid 20's taking off to Australia and America for a few months of getting wasted(Job hunting) then back home again to mommy and daddy to get pissed on the dole money at weekends.

    our hard drinking Gaa idiots dont call their mothers Mommy


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    #163
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Not getting uptight about something doesn't mean you support it.

    Even the not so bright should know that.

    If more people in oz got uptight about it the country wouldnt be such a laughing stock when it cames to treatment of other races.


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    #164
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Dudess wrote: »
    In fairness Doc, you're being pretty intolerant towards people from N.I.
    Would you mind telling me how pointing out the facts is intolerant. If its intolerant to not tolerate racism then yes I suppose I'm intolerant. Most people would find that attitude tolerable.


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    #165
    sunflower27
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    I'm personally more inclined to think of the Irish people that have gone over there and secured fair and just employment than to focus on one idiot that is probably very much regretting his stupidity :D


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    #166
    Bad Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    dlofnep wrote: »
    He can't discriminate based on their nationality. Therefore, he is obliged by law to give an unbiased hearing to everyone regardless of their nationality.

    What is the point in this? Who's to say he did or did not give an unbiased hearing? How can you prove he was biased if he simply refused to hire an Irish person based on (bad experiences?) because of their nationality??

    What you're simply saying here really is - don't advertise your prejudice.


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    #167
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Not getting uptight about something doesn't mean you support it.

    Even the not so bright should know that.

    You supported his right (which doesn't actually exist) to discriminate if he desires, because it is his business. Therefore, you support prejudice.


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    #168
    starch4ser
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭starch4ser


    In fairness, if i was running a business, the last people i'd employ would be Irish people.


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    #169
    ash23
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    starch4ser wrote: »
    In fairness, if i was running a business, the last people i'd employ would be Irish people.

    Good job all the multi-national companies based here don't share that view!!


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    #170
    sunflower27
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Up until the 1970s the government in oz practiced the abduction of aboriginal children from their families to be raised as whites. Aborigines still face much racisim to this day. In 2008 the prime minister ken russel apologised for this in parliment. The abduction of aboriginal children was referred to as the stolen generation.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998067,00.html

    From time magazine:

    Oz has a lot to answer for.

    I am well aware of this, I studied in school. Are we going to persecute a country for the actions of its Government? I think looking at the state of many people living in Ireland at the moment, the Government here has plenty to answer for.

    Are you aware that the rate of suicide in Ireland is the highest it has ever been in the history of the State?


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    #171
    m83
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    This is just one guy. He doesn't represent Australia as a whole. He's clearly been burnt by the preceding Irish lads. If anyone should get a flogging it's them, for giving us a bad name.

    I worked in Oz for two years and found being Irish works in your favour.

    This world has gone too PC. How lame. I'm off to get cover from the social media sh1tstorm that is to follow.


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    #172
    jc84
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭jc84


    at least the man is being honest and not wasting anyone's time, if he doesn't want irish people then he doesn't want them, it's up to him who he employs, i don't see the big deal, there used to be signs like this up on building sites in the uk years ago if i'm not mistaken, and i've heard that it's the same in poland


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    #173
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    dlofnep wrote: »
    I'm sure there are more than enough local Aussies that do the exact same thing.

    I dont honestly think so, having been to australia i dont think they do act the same way as some of the clowns we have here and who are now over there.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    It's no excuse to condemn an entire nationality of people, based on the actions of a few

    Its one person expressing his views based on past experiences (probably) and i dont blame him. Its not like the entire country has come out together to condemn the irish although saying that, if the numbers of irish continuing to arrive in australia continues at the current rate that could well happen!


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    #174
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Not getting uptight about something doesn't mean you support it.

    Even the not so bright should know that.
    Can I get a yes or a no then.


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    #175
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    starch4ser wrote: »
    In fairness, if i was running a business, the last people i'd employ would be Irish people.

    I dont think I would discriminate on a person based on nationality or race. The first thing I would look at is their qaulifications for the job.


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    #176
    karma_
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    m83 wrote: »
    This is just one guy. He doesn't represent Australia as a whole. He's clearly been burnt by the preceding Irish lads. If anyone should get a flogging it's them, for giving us a bad name.

    I worked in Oz for two years and found being Irish works in your favour.

    This world has gone too PC. How lame. I'm off to get cover from the social media sh1tstorm that is to follow.

    Yeah, it's lame to oppose racism.

    Fúck, this thread is depressing.


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    #177
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Bad Panda wrote: »
    What is the point in this?

    The point is to ensure that discrimination/prejudice is not permissible in employment selection. I thought that much was obvious.
    Bad Panda wrote: »
    Who's to say he did or did not give an unbiased hearing?

    His sign stating 'NO IRISH' is a big indicator.
    Bad Panda wrote: »
    How can you prove he was biased if he simply refused to hire an Irish person based on (bad experiences?) because of their nationality??

    I stated he was being discriminatory. He proved it himself when he wrote an advert for an employment opportunity, appending in capital letters that Irish need nor apply.

    Christ, the hoops people are willing to jump through to try and justify discrimination. :rolleyes:
    Bad Panda wrote: »
    What you're simply saying here really is - don't advertise your prejudice.

    No, what I'm saying here is don't foster discrimination at all.


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    #178
    Bad Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The point is to ensure that discrimination/prejudice is not permissible in employment selection. I thought that much was obvious.



    His sign stating 'NO IRISH' is a big indicator.



    I stated he was being discriminatory. He proved it himself when he wrote an advert for an employment opportunity, appending in capital letters that Irish need nor apply.

    Christ, the hoops people are willing to jump through to try and justify discrimination. :rolleyes:



    No, what I'm saying here is don't foster discrimination at all.

    Congratulations. You've completely failed to interpret the hypothetical context of my post based on your previous one.


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    #179
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    I am well aware of this, I studied in school. Are we going to persecute a country for the actions of its Government? I think looking at the state of many people living in Ireland at the moment, the Government here has plenty to answer for.

    Are you aware that the rate of suicide in Ireland is the highest it has ever been in the history of the State?

    Indeed they do and if you read through my previous posts I am the first to mention the Irish state's treatment of children.

    Im not tarring the whole country but I was right in saying that government backed racisim existed in oz until the 1970s. According to a survey of native austrailians 3 out of 4 of them experience racisim in their daily lives.


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    #180
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    To all of you who are defending his actions ('if he doesn't want to hire Irish then that's okay, he doesn't have to') I ask you this - would you feel the same if he said he didn't want to hire any black people?



    Nope, didn't fucking think so.


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    #181
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    I'm amused at the people who feel that it is beyond the pale to address discrimination in 2012. It's this apathy that allowed racism and bigotry to foster for centuries. Every single incident should be confronted. No exceptions. And I most certainly won't have my nationality prejudged before my skill-set and experience.


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