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What really happened Osama bin Laden
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My name is URL wrote: »My mistake.. I misread ajraf's post
No problem. It's actually something else to consider. No video since 2007 and even then he didn't look himself if ya know what I mean.
2004 (his previous appearance on video) on the left and 2007 on the right. Looks like he got the "Just for Men" out for the beard.
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He died years ago
It may be the light, be he definitely looks a bit jaundiced in the later picture.namloc1980 wrote: »Looks like he got the "Just for Men" out for the beard.0 -
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Just a note on those points:
He was in a city or a nation the US isn't at war with. In fact, they're sort of an ally, aren't they?They found him but instead of dropping a bomb on him they risked their lives and his possible escape by sending in SEALS.
This I'm not sure about, as I've read mixed reports. Some are saying it was a kill order and others saying it was a capture order, but he was killed. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd go out to kill him. His capture would be a huge political victory, it would have been the show trial of the century and OBL no doubt would be privy to a lot of information that the US would want to get their hands on.Even though he was unarmed and they stated that they wanted to take him alive, they killed him. I don't believe this for a moment. Surely a highly trained SEAL would be able to immobilise OBL. In fact when you think about it, surely there would be so much propaganda value in taking him prisoner that they would have done all in their power to do so and would have achieved it, had he been unarmed.
If it was a capture order gone wrong, it makes more sense as they say, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. It could have been accidental and they're just trying to save face.
Or, maybe they didn't want to risk OBL saying something that shouldn't be made public.
They'd use automatic weapons. He'd have been sprayed with bullets in a short burst, which would fairly rip him open.If he wasn't armed why did they have to shoot him up so badly that they now say the photos are gruesome.
There's be a lot of confused reports right after anything like this. Sure they announced WT7 fell before it actually did.His wife who they killed is now alive but has a bad limp. How they hell could anyone, especially a military person get a detail as important as this wrong.
As said above, it doesn't take a huge amount of time these days.They confirmed his identity by getting the fastest DNA test in the history of DNA tests (it must have been like one if those pin prick cholesterol tests you buy in the chemists). I'm sure the US has probably perfected the art of the fast DNA test for identifying their victims but it seems almost too efficient to be true.
But also you don't get fanatics using the fact that his body wasn't buried as another reason to riot/bomb places. Plus, burying it anywhere on land would open up the possibility of the fanatics trying to recover it or people who hated him trying to desecrate the grave. It's not really worth the hassle, if you look at it from that point of view.Because they respect Muslims so much they buried him really quickly and at sea, a convenient side effect of which is that we will never know what happened.
You would think that the States has enough conspiracy theories (man on the moon, JFK, etc) that if they could they would ensure that this doesn't become another.
The thing is, the US doesn't owe us any answers. They don't have to pander to us, just because we refuse to take their word for it. And who knows, if people are talking about this, then maybe they won't be talking about the US deficit.0 -
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He was in a city or a nation the US isn't at war with. In fact, they're sort of an ally, aren't they?
Fair point but I don't think that would have stopped them - they breached the sovereignty of Pakistan and insulted their government afterwards by saying they couldn't be trusted to keep a secret.If it was a capture order gone wrong, it makes more sense as they say, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. It could have been accidental and they're just trying to save face.
Or, maybe they didn't want to risk OBL saying something that shouldn't be made public.
I don't think that they're saving face. I think they look pretty stupid right now.They'd use automatic weapons. He'd have been sprayed with bullets in a short burst, which would fairly rip him open.
I've used automatic weapons. You don't have to spray, its a choice. It varies with the weapon but if you keep the pressure on they generally ride up and only the first couple of shots hit the target. The less powerful ones don't ride up but they don't do as much damage either.There's be a lot of confused reports right after anything like this. Sure they announced WT7 fell before it actually did.
Thats a whole other conspiracy theory.... You would think that the SEAL team would have to submit written reports back to their commander and that these would be accurate enough, certainly in terms of who died:who lived at least.As said above, it doesn't take a huge amount of time these days.
Accepted. Still, they didn't laze about.But also you don't get fanatics using the fact that his body wasn't buried as another reason to riot/bomb places. Plus, burying it anywhere on land would open up the possibility of the fanatics trying to recover it or people who hated him trying to desecrate the grave. It's not really worth the hassle, if you look at it from that point of view.
I think that if it had really gone down as they stated, his body wouldn't be buried at all yet. I don't think they have any respect for Muslims or Muslim practice or anyone really.The thing is, the US doesn't owe us any answers. They don't have to pander to us, just because we refuse to take their word for it. And who knows, if people are talking about this, then maybe they won't be talking about the US deficit.
Maybe not but we facilitated the US war machine (Shannon) so you could argue that future decisions to do or not do so, could be based on what they do when they are 'on location'. Surely we would have to look at that.
Even if what the say is true, I think its stinks and I can't believe the way it is being applauded by supposedly civil governments. WTF does Enda Kenny think he's doing. Will the Irish Army be going out on shoot to kill missions next. There is a reason for due process. We would all hope that OBL would get a fair trial and a quick execution. Sending a bunch of assassins after him is barbaric.
Nelson Mandela was once regarded as a terrorist by the US - imagine ow different things would be if they killed him?0 -
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Something else interesting from this raid is the apparent use of a new type of helicopter by US forces:
Good assessment in this link:
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How the fook it crashed is another question?!0 -
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Monty Burnz wrote: »At a glance, it looks like they've armoured the weak points. I don't know if it crashed - I heard that it stalled, and perhaps took some damage when it went down (perhaps broke the tail over the wall?). The Seals blew it up before leaving.
Looks more than armour. The skin is rivetless to reduce the radar profile and the paint looks like radar absorbing stuff.
Here is a regular Black Hawk tail:
Looks like a special ops helo also the newer helo has 5 rear blades versus 4 on a normal one.0
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