Useless Operation Transformation Trainer (Karl Henry)

NFH · 22-01-2015 10:30PM #1

One of the contestants lost over 5 lbs and after weigh-in's all the personal trainer (Karl Henry) did was give out to him for doing additional work outside the trainers plan. Karl actually said that he was pissed off and it undermines what hes doing. The lad defended himself saying he is just trying to work harder and the trainer was like "you work hard within the plan we've set you, it takes a lot of time to make these plans and if you wanna go off with another plan then don't follow mine". He finished with a final discouraging remark saying that he wouldn't make it all the way or something.

Don't really watch the show but what a dick! The lad is over 20st workin his ass off and the trainer goes off on him for workin hard, how discouraging like! As a trainer all he can say is you should probly just stick to the plan because you don't want to do any damage etc but fair play for the hard work and commitment.

And how does it take a lot of time to make up a flippin training plan, eat this and do this blah blah blah, the hard part is doin that damn work and if hes gettin the results then give him the encouragement he deserves!

All this demonstrated is that the trainer cares more about himself than the people he's trying to help! Anyway, rant over

Alf Veedersane · 22-01-2015 10:36PM

Karl Henry aside, it's understandable why the lad wanted to push it but it's also understandable that a trainer tell a trainee that he should stick to a plan that has been given to him for his own benefit.

As I found myself, trying to do stuff above and beyond what is programmed is usually counterproductive.

Precious flower · 22-01-2015 11:11PM

Especially at his weight, maybe overworking himself could be dangerous health wise or possibly burn him out leading more likely to him to exhaust himself and give in? I have no doubt that maybe the trainer could have explained himself better and in a more positive and polite manner if he said what you stated (I don't watch the tv show). I'm sure the exercise plan is specially formulated for his weight and exercise capabilities. Doing too much too fast, as Alf pointed out, could have negative consequences. I commend the man for making an real effort but sometimes taking gradual, baby steps is a more sustainable approach then rushing full speed at something you have only started.

NFH · 23-01-2015 12:13AM

I completely accept that a personal trainer can advise that a client is overdoing it but I think it was just some run, that all the extra work he did. It was just the way he did it, completely discouraging and negative, not one word of encouragement. Its one thing if a client is completely going against the trainers advice but doing an additional run in a weeks work and then to be chastised like that, I thought it was bang out of order. Its on RTE Player actually, round the 20 min mark.
http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10367035/

FouxDaFaFa · 23-01-2015 12:31AM

It's an entertainment show. They have to inject drama somewhere and a lot of the time, they do so by making a big fuss about something trivial.

That being said, I believe the guy in question has a dodgy hamstring and was advised to follow the plan carefully to avoid injury so I can understand a trainer being annoyed about that.

Naos · 23-01-2015 11:02AM

He thought he hurt his hamstring when he was going for his first run in the first week, could well have been nothing.

Did anyone look at the workouts these people are given on the website? They're not exactly challenging.

Fair play to Mark for joining a running group (he seem's to be a very social guy so I'd imagine he would operate better in that environment anyway).

zubair · 23-01-2015 11:18AM

Suspect he was probably running on a rest day. Recovery is as important as the workout. He should work hard on the plan he has, it's designed for him, he can run all he wants once he's gained a level of fitness that allows him to. I think Carl was 100% right on this.

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 11:20AM

Naos wrote: »

He thought he hurt his hamstring when he was going for his first run in the first week, could well have been nothing.

Did anyone look at the workouts these people are given on the website? They're not exactly challenging.

Fair play to Mark for joining a running group (he seem's to be a very social guy so I'd imagine he would operate better in that environment anyway).

They're challenging if you're in the shape they are.

He's trying to run before he can walk, so to speak and that's even before accounting for the fact he was risking turning a niggle into an injury.

KH's high dudgeon was a bit OTT* but the gist of his point was right.

*Operation Transfor-Tainment

groovyg · 23-01-2015 11:22AM

NFH wrote: »

I completely accept that a personal trainer can advise that a client is overdoing it but I think it was just some run, that all the extra work he did. It was just the way he did it, completely discouraging and negative, not one word of encouragement. Its one thing if a client is completely going against the trainers advice but doing an additional run in a weeks work and then to be chastised like that, I thought it was bang out of order. Its on RTE Player actually, round the 20 min mark.
http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10367035/

I think you are taking it way too seriously, its an entertainment show and its edited in such a way to create drama.
I wouldn't be fan of KH either but if he gives a plan to somebody and they don't follow it properly then whats the point. The two guys on that programme are extremely overweight and they are not going to lose it overnight, they need to take things slowly. The guy went for a run on a dodgy hamstring so he was just telling him to stick to his plan or don't. He will end up giving himself a injury if he is running on a weak hamstring and overdoing it. If that happens then he could end up not being able to do any exercise at all and he'll back to square one.

papu · 23-01-2015 11:28AM

Great bodies and healthy lifestyles are built on consistency and sustainability . Not on overworking yourself a few times , becoming over-trained and injured and then comfort eating because you feel sorry about yourself. Less is more.

23-01-2015 11:29AM

The guys are looking for help from a pro because they haven't been able to do it themselves, he puts effort and expertise into designing them a program and then they're like lolno. They need steady progress and overdoing it early on may sabotage them entirely
I didn't see his reaction so maybe it was ott but i cant blame him for having a ftdp reaction

*yes i am sometimes bad at ftdp also but i try

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 11:37AM

bluewolf wrote: »

The guys are looking for help from a pro because they haven't been able to do it themselves, he puts effort and expertise into designing them a program and then they're like lolno. They need steady progress and overdoing it early on may sabotage them entirely
I didn't see his reaction so maybe it was ott but i cant blame him for having a ftdp reaction

*yes i am sometimes bad at ftdp also but i try

He said he was 'pisséd' on national TV!!!eleven!

23-01-2015 11:39AM

Ermagerd

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 11:44AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Ermagerd

Poor Karl. It's been a rollercoaster of emotion.

Only 24 hours previously he was blushing as some 50-something woman said she liked his buns (with Niki Minaj's Anaconda the soundtrack..)

Hanley · 23-01-2015 12:00PM

Why do people get so butt hurt when they've been told they do something wrong?

FFS I was given a chance to turn my life around and someone who's very successful at doing what I want to do was a bit rough with me I'd thank them and follow their advice.

I'm growing tired of this special unique snowflake indignant pity attitude people display.

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 12:22PM

Hanley wrote: »

Why do people get so butt hurt when they've been told they do something wrong?

FFS I was given a chance to turn my life around and someone who's very successful at doing what I want to do was a bit rough with me I'd thank them and follow their advice.

I'm growing tired of this special unique snowflake indignant pity attitude people display.

To be fair, the chap in question didn't seem to be put out. He took what was said on board.

It's other people being offended on his behalf.

messrs · 23-01-2015 12:29PM

NFH wrote: »

One of the contestants lost over 5 lbs and after weigh-in's all the personal trainer (Karl Henry) did was give out to him for doing additional work outside the trainers plan. Karl actually said that he was pissed off and it undermines what hes doing. The lad defended himself saying he is just trying to work harder and the trainer was like "you work hard within the plan we've set you, it takes a lot of time to make these plans and if you wanna go off with another plan then don't follow mine". He finished with a final discouraging remark saying that he wouldn't make it all the way or something.

Don't really watch the show but what a dick! The lad is over 20st workin his ass off and the trainer goes off on him for workin hard, how discouraging like! As a trainer all he can say is you should probly just stick to the plan because you don't want to do any damage etc but fair play for the hard work and commitment.

And how does it take a lot of time to make up a flippin training plan, eat this and do this blah blah blah, the hard part is doin that damn work and if hes gettin the results then give him the encouragement he deserves!

All this demonstrated is that the trainer cares more about himself than the people he's trying to help! Anyway, rant over

The reason Karl had a go at him was because the previous week he damaged his hamstring and wasn't able to do much exercise, the plan Karl devised was to help him build up his hamstring again slowly to get it back to full strength but because he did the extra running he was putting more pressure on it, What Karl was explaining to him was the plan he devised was to his benefit and pushing harder may damage it even more - Karls final remark was that if he didn't stick to his training plan ( to help build up the hamstring again ) then he wouldn't be able to take part in the 5k run at the end of the series

NFH · 23-01-2015 01:15PM

Karl's anger and criticism was discouraging, over the top and self absorbed. Personal trainers are essentially suppose to be motivators, its not rocket science to make a fitness plan up for someone, people are goin on about his "plan" like he is some sort of consultant. There are a 100 ways to skin a cat like! He didn't damage his hamstring, he's fine. Expecting the client to do exactly as hes told or then give out to him like a child because he did a bit extra is pathetic. A reasonable response in that situation would have been "you need to stick to the plan but fair play".

I would have been fine if Karl explained he was angry with your man for doing extra work because he thought he would cause damage or burn out etc, but he didn't, it was more of a 'im the boss and do what I say' thing. It was like he has some kind of inferiority complex about what he does 'ya know its really hard making up these training programs'...ya, good man!

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 01:46PM

NFH wrote: »

Karl's anger and criticism was discouraging, over the top and self absorbed. Personal trainers are essentially suppose to be motivators, its not rocket science to make a fitness plan up for someone, people are goin on about his "plan" like he is some sort of consultant.

Well...he is.

NFH wrote: »

There are a 100 ways to skin a cat like!

Precisely none of which they have been doing until now.

And joining a running club when picking a football off the ground is a difficult is hardly a sensible way of starting off.

NFH wrote: »

He didn't damage his hamstring, he's fine.

This time.

NFH wrote: »

I would have been fine if Karl explained he was angry with your man for doing extra work because he thought he would cause damage or burn out etc, but he didn't, it was more of a 'im the boss and do what I say' thing. It was like he has some kind of inferiority complex about what he does 'ya know its really hard making up these training programs'...ya, good man!

Pretty sure the cameras didn't show every part of the exchange. The chap seemed happy enough with why he had to take it on the chin.

If he was ok with it, why are you so angry?

Maybe you should sign on to his Facebook page and tell him it's ok babz xoxo You did really well not injuring yourself

NFH · 23-01-2015 03:55PM

When I was watching this I was impressed with your man's effort and progress that week and just thought it was completely unnecessary and self serving what Karl said to him. In my opinion his criticism stems from a place of inferiority because he is sitting up there beside a doctor, someone who is an expert in an actual genuine profession, when lets face it, hes just someone who really enjoyed PE as a young lad but didn't get enough points to do physio so thought "jaysus I can make a bita money outa trainin people in gym" and now he thinks he's an actual expert in something!

FouxDaFaFa · 23-01-2015 03:57PM

You seem very invested in this.

Did Karl run over your dog or something?

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 04:16PM

NFH wrote: »

When I was watching this I was impressed with your man's effort and progress that week and just thought it was completely unnecessary and self serving what Karl said to him. In my opinion his criticism stems from a place of inferiority because he is sitting up there beside a doctor, someone who is an expert in an actual genuine profession, when lets face it, hes just someone who really enjoyed PE as a young lad but didn't get enough points to do physio so thought "jaysus I can make a bita money outa trainin people in gym" and now he thinks he's an actual expert in something!

You need a hug.

And some valium.

arayess · 23-01-2015 04:17PM

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

You seem very invested in this.

Did Karl run over your dog or something?

I cant answer for him but I'll admit I have on occasion an irrational dislike for some people on tv.

Darkest Horse · 23-01-2015 04:25PM

Didn't see the show but I'd like to think that OT is not going down the same road as shows like the biggest loser and can retain some dignity in the way it deals with the contestants. In Ireland the Jillian Michaels act doesn't fit with our psyche so hopefully OT continues on the same path this year that it generally has done in the past.

23-01-2015 04:27PM

I was reading that awful article about biggest loser and the insane stuff they were doing and how badly they treat the contestants. At least from what I've seen OT keeps it into their daily lives and seems nicer

NFH · 23-01-2015 04:35PM

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

You seem very invested in this.

Did Karl run over your dog or something?

As the creator and therefore captain of this thread I feel obliged to keep digging!

Alf Veedersane · 23-01-2015 04:38PM

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Didn't see the show but I'd like to think that OT is not going down the same road as shows like the biggest loser and can retain some dignity in the way it deals with the contestants. In Ireland the Jillian Michaels act doesn't fit with our psyche so hopefully OT continues on the same path this year that it generally has done in the past.

I don't think it does. In the piece to camera after his weigh in and talking to the panel he seemed to be ok with it as though it had been explained in more depth why it was wrong to deviate so far from the plan.

They're generally supportive but they will get called when excuses are being made. But it's never anything overly harsh, from what I've seen.

Gummy Panda · 23-01-2015 04:39PM

They should just put them on clen and see what happens

#curiouspanda

evo2000 · 23-01-2015 04:42PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Karl Henry aside, it's understandable why the lad wanted to push it but it's also understandable that a trainer tell a trainee that he should stick to a plan that has been given to him for his own benefit.

As I found myself, trying to do stuff above and beyond what is programmed is usually counterproductive.

Karl henry is abit stupid after that, if the lad was doing an extra bit of running and felt up to it fair play, id say something if he was ignoring the trainer altogether or not training atall,

Typical trainer ego only a fool would put someone down for trying to work harder instead of directing there attempts and encouraging it

NFH · 23-01-2015 04:51PM

evo2000 wrote: »

Karl henry is abit stupid after that, if the lad was doing an extra bit of running and felt up to it fair play, id say something if he was ignoring the trainer altogether or not training atall,

Typical trainer ego only a fool would put someone down for trying to work harder instead of directing there attempts and encouraging it

Thank you, but get ready for abuse :rolleyes:

Cape Clear · 23-01-2015 04:59PM

What's peoples view on the amount of weight some of these guys are losing each week I see Alan lost 6lbs last week is this good?

Useless Operation Transformation Trainer (Karl Henry)

Comments