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Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)

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    #2042
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    He is a hero, he is showing this whole process for what it is, a joke. "professionalism" lol, its a clown show and always has been, we have Ted Cruz going to prayer meetings and talking about divine providence, talking to "god" etc and people are worried about Drumpf being unprofessional, lol.

    Exactly, no matter what they throw at him, he just comes out with an even more outrageous comeback. You cant stump the man, never back down or let an insult pass without giving something back

    Its almost as good as the times he called Ted Cruz a "zealot", "delusional" "a liar" mid debate.

    Do you see this kind of behaviour as a good quality in a leader?


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    #2043
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    "plebs"......? Not hiding the elitism there, are we. Presumably its people who believe the above is "analysis" who vote for him.

    They are plebs, mentally, "elitism" lol, no, Cruz and Rubio are laughably incompetent. Just a few rungs below Trump, they are not sharp operators. They are plebs in comparison to Trump.


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    #2044
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    robdonn wrote: »
    Do you see this kind of behaviour as a good quality in a leader?

    He is doing what he needs to win, he is a winner. Do you think he acts like this in business? If you think he wont turn up the professionalism once he deals with the chuckle brothers and moves on to Hillary and a different audience, he is playing to the gallery and caliber of opponent, you are underestimating him.


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    #2045
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    He is doing what he needs to win, he is a winner. Do you think he acts like this in business? If you think he wont turn up the professionalism once he deals with the chuckle brothers and moves on to Hillary and a different audience, he is playing to the gallery and caliber of opponent, you are underestimating him.

    Or possibly you're overestimating him?


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    #2046
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Well, there is video footage of him from the 90's and 80's talking about the housing and loans crisis etc, appearing before senate commitee's and he wasnt the brash bombastic vulgar operator you see now. Its clearly a calculated front to take out the rest of the Republican field who are a bunch of stuffed suits, morons who cannot deal with someone operating by his own rules as Trump does.


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    #2047
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    What a hero, he literally doesnt care...
    I never thought we'd see the day when "doesn't give a fcuk" was considered an attractive attribute in a presidential election.
    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    If you think he wont turn up the professionalism once he deals with the chuckle brothers and moves on to Hillary and a different audience, he is playing to the gallery and caliber of opponent, you are underestimating him.

    Not for the first time, I'm bemused to see that one of the things Trump fans seem to admire about the man is that they think he's presenting a false image of himself to the electorate: dishonesty as a virtue.

    We really are through the looking glass.


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    #2048
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usb0iE5WiZI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw


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    #2049
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I never thought we'd see the day when "doesn't give a fcuk" was considered an attractive attribute in a presidential election.
    Why not? Is blatant corruption, cronyism and the standard bought and sold bland suit what we should aspire to elect? A free candidate who says what he wants, WITH a realistic chance of being elected(sorry Ron Paul, Sanders, Johnson et all) is what America needs, what every country needs.

    Not for the first time, I'm bemused to see that one of the things Trump fans seem to admire about the man is that they think he's presenting a false image of himself to the electorate: dishonesty as a virtue.

    We really are through the looking glass.
    Its not a flase image so much as he is being calculatedly vulgar to decimate and unfoot his rivals, its a tactic, in addition be providing everyone with much needed mirth and showing up the system for the joke it it.

    Trump has literally everyone on both sides of the media and establishment gunning for him, it shows that there isnt much difference between the repubs and Dems.

    Also, why shouldnt he decimate the stuffed suits who are on stage with him, its about time its happened.

    The fact people think he is "literally Hitler" for not toeing the PC line shows how far that particular cancer has spread, he is the spearhead of the pushback to the center.


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    #2050
    Bristolscale7
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Bristolscale7


    JPN, would you mind answering a few questions?
    http://personality-testing.info/tests/RWAS/


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    #2051
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Bristolscale7 wrote: »
    JPN, would you mind answering a few questions?
    http://personality-testing.info/tests/RWAS/
    Terrible test, questions are all over the shop loads of religion and some are very vague.
    6Hsy3CR.png


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    #2052
    Nodin
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    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    He is a hero, he is showing this whole process for what it is, a joke. "professionalism" lol, its a clown show and always has been, we have Ted Cruz going to prayer meetings and talking about divine providence, talking to "god" etc and people are worried about Trump being unprofessional, lol.

    Exactly, no matter what they throw at him, he just comes out with an even more outrageous comeback. You cant stump the man, never back down or let an insult pass without giving something back
    They are plebs, mentally, "elitism" lol,
    He is doing what he needs to win, he is a winner.

    Yes, I'm sure he'd win the second class hero of the day award.


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    #2053
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, I'm sure he'd win the second class hero of the day award.

    Politics is a joke at this point, Trump is the result, stop being so po faced.


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    #2054
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, I'm sure he'd win the second class hero of the day award.

    Attacking the poster not the argument is a bit of a second class response if you ask me.


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    #2055
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Politics is a joke at this point, Trump is the result, stop being so po faced.

    The fact of the matter is that you cheerlead for this particular candidate because some of his less savoury views would seem coincide with your own.
    timmyntc wrote:

    Attacking the poster not the argument is a bit of a second class response if
    you ask me.

    O I've been attacking the "argument"......

    "He is a hero, he is showing this whole process for what it is, a joke. "professionalism" lol, its a clown show and always has been, we have Ted Cruz going to prayer meetings and talking about divine providence, talking to "god" etc and people are worried about Trump being unprofessional, lol."

    ....such as it is.


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    #2056
    Trent Houseboat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    Low energy response


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    #2057
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    The fact of the matter is that you cheerlead for this particular candidate because some of his less savoury views would seem coincide with your own.



    O I've been attacking the "argument"......

    "He is a hero, he is showing this whole process for what it is, a joke. "professionalism" lol, its a clown show and always has been, we have Ted Cruz going to prayer meetings and talking about divine providence, talking to "god" etc and people are worried about Trump being unprofessional, lol."

    ....such as it is.
    I dont know what I find funnier, the Trump candidacy as a whole, the media frothing or the assorted normies such as yourself who are genuinely disgusted and outraged by his anti PC candidacy and pretty tame and juvenile quips.

    I fail to see whats wrong with using lol, Im not handing in my dissertation, its the internet, and we are discussing a sixty plus year old man/presidential candidate make reference to his hand width to penis size. cmon.


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    #2058
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    I dont know what I find funnier, the Trump candidacy as a whole, the media frothing or the assorted normies such as yourself who are genuinely disgusted and outraged by his anti PC candidacy and pretty tame and juvenile quips..


    "normies" is a new one.

    I'm not "outraged" by Trump, I find him rather pathetic.
    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    I fail to see whats wrong with using lol, Im not handing in my dissertation, its the internet, and we are discussing a sixty plus year old man/presidential candidate make reference to his hand width to penis size. cmon.

    This would be the person you refer to as a "winner".


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    #2059
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Nodin wrote: »
    "normies" is a new one.

    I'm not "outraged" by Trump, I find him rather pathetic.


    This would be the person you refer to as a "winner".

    There is general outrage at Trump, the whole frothing at the mouth brigade at people who think he is a racist nazi because he thinks a state should have a border

    In the TV ratings spectacle that is US presidential politics, yes. Look at the poll numbers. He is not running amongst a deep field of intellectuals here or visionary political heavyweights, he is running against a religious nutter, a corrupt programmable robot and some left over neo cons. The democrat field is a weak socialist, and a corrupt programmable robot. He is a winner amongst that rabble yeah, no matter how puerile his utterances get.


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    #2060
    Custardpi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    If Trump gets the nomination (which he almost certainly will do) & if he beats Hillary in the general election (very possible given the amount of both antipathy & apathy towards her even within the Democratic party) then he will indeed be a winner, regardless of how "vulgar" his opponents find him. The Trump campaign is quite simply throwing out the rulebook on what is "proper" or "decent" for public figures to do or say. Much of the media & political establishment is reacting to this phenomenon like a group of elderly Cistercian monks whose monastery is suddenly invaded by a bunch of lager swilling football hooligans. They really have no idea how to respond beyond bleating piously about how indecent & awful it all is.


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    #2061
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Why not? Is blatant corruption, cronyism and the standard bought and sold bland suit what we should aspire to elect?
    False dichotomy.
    The fact people think he is "literally Hitler" for not toeing the PC line shows how far that particular cancer has spread, he is the spearhead of the pushback to the center.
    Yes, I can see how he appeals to people who are upset at the idea that being civil towards others is an egregious imposition.
    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    There is general outrage at Trump, the whole frothing at the mouth brigade at people who think he is a racist nazi because he thinks a state should have a border
    It's interesting how most of those who defend Trump do so not by reference to anything he actually says, but rather to what a less unhinged person would say if they were trying to make similar points.

    Trump didn't say he thinks a state should have a border; he said he was going to build a big beautiful wall and get another country to pay for it. He didn't say a state should have a border; he said that Mexico was sending rapists. He didn't say a state should have a border; he said that all Muslims - including American citizens - should be prevented from entering the country.

    If his positions were reasonable, you'd be defending what he says. Instead, you make up stuff that he hasn't said, and defend that instead.
    Custardpi wrote: »
    Much of the media & political establishment is reacting to this phenomenon like a group of elderly Cistercian monks whose monastery is suddenly invaded by a bunch of lager swilling football hooligans. They really have no idea how to respond beyond bleating piously about how indecent & awful it all is.
    It's bizarre that anyone would consider a monastery being invaded by football hooligans to be a good thing.


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    #2062
    Custardpi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    oscarBravo wrote: »

    It's bizarre that anyone would consider a monastery being invaded by football hooligans to be a good thing.

    Where did I say I consider it a good thing? I'm merely observing what's happening, not endorsing it. That said, it is clear that the bloated nature of the American political establishment has alienated many on both the left & right. The Trump & Sanders campaigns, in their own different ways are the almost inevitable response to that, the former being of a far more visceral than intellectual nature (which is not of course to buy into the lazy tactic of labelling Trump supporters as stupid).

    The decadent Roman empire sees the Visigoths approaching its frontiers. They haven't a clue how to respond effectively. Perhaps more bread & circuses (or in the modern version hashtags & Nazi memes) will do the trick.


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    #2063
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Bristolscale7 wrote: »
    JPN, would you mind answering a few questions?
    http://personality-testing.info/tests/RWAS/
    I got
    Your score for right-wing authoritarianism was 26.14%. Higher scores indicate more right-wing authoritarianism.
    Anyone else do it?

    There is undoubtedly some correlation between Trumpness and authoritarian tendencies, but I do think such comparisons are barking up the wrong tree.

    Trump is anti-establishment. He speaks his mind independently. He cuts through the BS. He is not merely a front for the oil industry or some lobby group hiding behind the scenes. His jokey exchanges with the others promote the idea that he is rarely under any pressure in his everyday life. His speeches are spontaneous and not pre-scripted, so he gives the impression that he could handle any fast moving crisis that might develop while he was president.
    He actually has quite a lot in common with Sanders, which is why Sanders might be the only democrat that could beat him. I think either of them would be good.


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    #2064
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    False dichotomy. Yes, I can see how he appeals to people who are upset at the idea that being civil towards others is an egregious imposition.

    It's interesting how most of those who defend Trump do so not by reference to anything he actually says, but rather to what a less unhinged person would say if they were trying to make similar points.

    Trump didn't say he thinks a state should have a border; he said he was going to build a big beautiful wall and get another country to pay for it. He didn't say a state should have a border; he said that Mexico was sending rapists. He didn't say a state should have a border; he said that all Muslims - including American citizens - should be prevented from entering the country.

    If his positions were reasonable, you'd be defending what he says. Instead, you make up stuff that he hasn't said, and defend that instead. In light of the context, the Paris attacks, its a sane proposition, compare it to say, the Merkal stratagem.
    "Being civil", aka kow-towing to the new moral order, I always find it ironic that the new high moderators of what is "decent and proper" are no different than the religious blokes they replaced. Kneel at the alter of tolerance....

    Mexico(or rather, Central America) is sending quite a number of rapists and criminals, I posted the crime stats a few pages back.

    If you actually read what he said, he said "all muslims" from Syria etc, until we can "figure it out", "who these people are" etc. Nothing wrong with that.


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    #2065
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭Christy42


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    "Being civil", aka kow-towing to the new moral order, I always find it ironic that the new high moderators of what is "decent and proper" are no different than the religious blokes they replaced. Kneel at the alter of tolerance....

    Mexico(or rather, Central America) is sending quite a number of rapists and criminals, I posted the crime stats a few pages back.

    If you actually read what he said, he said "all muslims" from Syria etc, until we can "figure it out", "who these people are" etc. Nothing wrong with that.

    Shockingly we think that hurting people is bad. Apologies for hurting you with our "moral order".

    How long before we can "figure it out". It was an indefinite time period. Given how remote the possibility of dying from a terrorist attack it is a massive over reaction. He is inciting hatred against a lot of groups that could suffer a big backlash if enough people believe his rants.

    I have to say I am rather impressed how well he makes himself look like "one of the lads" as opposed to someone who got anything he ever wanted because he had rich parents like every other politician.


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    #2066
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Trump came out of the debate the strongest. Although Rubio got talking about a court case he was involved in, plenty of personal attacks all focused on Trump. The crowd are definitely supportive of Trump when compared to the others. He hit all the right notes. The military, the border, Obamacare. These are what concern people the most.


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    #2067
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Shockingly we think that hurting people is bad. Apologies for hurting you with our "moral order".

    How long before we can "figure it out". It was an indefinite time period. Given how remote the possibility of dying from a terrorist attack it is a massive over reaction. He is inciting hatred against a lot of groups that could suffer a big backlash if enough people believe his rants.

    I have to say I am rather impressed how well he makes himself look like "one of the lads" as opposed to someone who got anything he ever wanted because he had rich parents like every other politician.

    Quite a jump from 'being civil towards others' to hurting people, where'd you get that connection from?

    Here's a fun fact for you, President Carter banned Iranians from travelling to the US during the early 80s, he also deported Iranian students from the country during that time. I think that was understandable given the circumstances, just as a ban on Islamic immigration from Syria is understandable now.


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    #2068
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    If you actually read what he said, he said "all muslims" from Syria etc...

    No, he didn't. Yet again, you're having to extrapolate from his actual words to what it suits you to assume he meant in order to defend the indefensible.

    He said "all Muslims", and clarified when asked that that included American citizens.

    He proposed a religious test for allowing people to enter the country. That's about as un-American as it's possible to get.

    He has also, by the way, repeatedly advocated war crimes. I'm guessing that's fine with you too.


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    #2069
    PopePalpatine
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    So, Ted Cruz yoga mats are a thing. :pac:


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    Custardpi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    oscarBravo wrote: »

    He proposed a religious test for allowing people to enter the country. That's about as un-American as it's possible to get.

    While I don't agree with Trump on this matter, how is that different to the current question on the immigration form which asks if you have ever been a member of the Communist Party?


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    #2071
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    No, he didn't. Yet again, you're having to extrapolate from his actual words to what it suits you to assume he meant in order to defend the indefensible.

    He said "all Muslims", and clarified when asked that that included American citizens.

    He proposed a religious test for allowing people to enter the country. That's about as un-American as it's possible to get.

    He has also, by the way, repeatedly advocated war crimes. I'm guessing that's fine with you too.
    From the Guardian...

    "Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has released his first, long-promised campaign ad: a spot that touts his controversial proposal to ban Muslims from entering the US “until we can figure out what’s going on”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/04/donald-trump-great-again-first-campaign-ad-isis-mexico-wall-muslim-ban

    I see no issue with banning people from a totalitarian death cult from entering your country, be they communists or islamists. the ones in country, well, they are covered under the first amendment, nothign you can do, but why would you import more of them.


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