Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

eviltimeban · 12-12-2014 8:22am

Myrddin wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of things myself, but 4 wins to 11 & after the final race? Doesn't sound all that equal really.

Rosberg won 5 races just FYI.

christy c · 12-12-2014 10:35am

MortGoldman wrote: »

Hamilton's mechanical problems happened more in qualifying, Rosberg's during the race.

This is said off the top of my head and without looking through season data, but in general, I think this is roughly accurate.

Three each in races,Hamilton had 2 issues in qualifying V's zero for Rosberg.

But Hamilton also had problems of his own making in qualifing, spinning on Austria and not going for the final timed lap in Britain

Myrddin · 12-12-2014 3:43pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Rosberg won 5 races just FYI.

Yep, apologies, he did indeed. I maintain that pound for pound, & removing reliability out of the equation, there's a big gap between the pair. Nico's pole to win conversion rate was pretty dire, he was beaten wheel to wheel in every encounter with Lewis (Spa aside, but taking your opponent out doesn't count), & to win only five races of 19 in that car is not great when being compared to Lewis' 11 wins. It say a lot.

On the flip side, I thought his post race interview & conduct in Abu Dhabi were flawless, & I really warmed to him when I seen him go to the podium room to chat with Lewis, & he had such high praise for Lewis during his interview; something not at all easy when you've just lost a championship. It showed great character. I think he had a hard time of it during the year, & will come out the better for it.

Jordan 199 · 12-12-2014 4:30pm

F1 team boses vote Lewis Hamilton best driver of 2014. Article here.

:cool::cool::cool:

Adamocovic · 13-12-2014 6:28pm

Cant wait to see the new McLaren car, strange that magnussen agreed to be back up driver, I wouldn't be surprised to see him step in at some point during the year, hopefully Button drives for every race. Surprised he was kept on, the interviews made it sound like even he thought his time was up! Hope he outperforms Alonso next year now :P

Gillespy · 15-12-2014 12:10am

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/544269059408535552
I'm surprised he won by such a margin or won at all for that matter. Well deserved and it's also good for the sport.

cadaliac · 15-12-2014 3:14pm

OSI wrote: »

I'm surprised Rory "what country do I represent again?" McIlroy got as many votes as he did to be honest.

With his victory at the Open Championship in July, McIlroy became the first European to win three different majors, and joined Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods as one of three to win three majors by the age of 25. Three weeks later, he won his second PGA Championship for his fourth major title.

Killinator · 15-12-2014 3:19pm

Check out @ScuderiaFerrari's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/544505102124724224?s=09

Esteban Gutierrez joins Ferrari as test/reserve driver

Gillespy · 15-12-2014 3:57pm

It's a public vote so no one was robbed.

Myrddin · 15-12-2014 4:01pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

He was robbed, he should have won by a long way. Sure Lewis did well but a one armed blind clown could have won the WDC in that car.

Not a ringing endorsement of Rosberg really

HighLine · 15-12-2014 4:02pm

Gillespy wrote: »

It's a public vote so no one was robbed.

Yeah... just a lot of stupid people voting.:D

Gillespy · 15-12-2014 4:15pm

HighLine wrote: »

Yeah... just a lot of stupid people voting.:D

Instead of being butthurt about it today, the golfers should have voted then. Their reaction isn't making them look too bright. Belittling his achievements and the sport itself.

They gave McIlroy the best chance by putting him on last and milking the Ryder Cup for all its worth in the interval. He was closer to third than winning it. Hamilton's popularity isn't in question.

HighLine · 15-12-2014 4:20pm

From seeing your posts on here, It's fairly obvious that nothing I could say will convince you that Lewis shouldn't have won. As a massive fan of both sports for over 20 years, I can tell you, Rory was robbed. His achievements this year far outweigh what Lewis has achieved in beating 1 other driver.

Good article here by James Corrigan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sports-personality-of-the-year/11294032/Sports-Personality-Rory-McIlroy-snub-is-a-travesty-he-should-not-bother-turning-up-again.html

iDave · 15-12-2014 4:24pm

McIlroy won about 2-3 events of significance, Hamilton won 11 and a World Championship. Hamilton clearly deserved SPOTY

Joeseph Balls · 15-12-2014 4:36pm

I wonder would McIlroy got more votes if he hadn't declared himself for Team Ireland.

wobbles · 15-12-2014 4:44pm

Rorys achievements were done in a different country, away from the casual viewers. F1 has been all over TV this year. Had Rorys acheivements happened in England he woud have won hands down. But it happened away from the causal TV viewer majority had no idea about what he did (me incuded)

Did Rory deserve to win it? No. Sure he had a good year, but its quite clear the British public thought Hamilton had a better one

Gillespy · 15-12-2014 5:00pm

HighLine wrote: »

Good article here by James Corrigan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sports-personality-of-the-year/11294032/Sports-Personality-Rory-McIlroy-snub-is-a-travesty-he-should-not-bother-turning-up-again.html

Such a spiteful article. A real fan of both sports wouldn't consider that a good article. It's so ignorant of how F1 works and what it takes for what both Hamilton and Mercedes have done.

Jordan 199 · 15-12-2014 5:03pm

Gutierrez lands reserve driver role at Ferrari.

HighLine · 15-12-2014 5:07pm

Gillespy wrote: »

Such a spiteful article. A real fan of both sports wouldn't consider that a good article. It's so ignorant of how F1 works and what it takes for what both Hamilton and Mercedes have done.

Didn't consider that you would ever take your Lewis blinkers off for this after seeing most of your posts throughout the season. Again... when you have watched every F1 race of the season along with every PGA Tour event, come back to me when you're in a good position to judge. Lewis beating one other driver in an all dominating car doesn't compare with Rory's year.

ScumLord · 15-12-2014 5:37pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

He was robbed, he should have won by a long way. Sure Lewis did well but a one armed blind clown could have won the WDC in that car.

Fast cars and pit girls will always trump pink golf jumpers and a bag of balls.

zombieHanalei · 15-12-2014 7:33pm

I'm surprised that people are attaching any prestige or any real credibility to an award that is put to a public vote.

cadaliac · 15-12-2014 7:39pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I wonder would McIlroy got more votes if he hadn't declared himself for Team Ireland.

Of course he would have.
Anyway, regardless of who won the British SPOTY - Lewis beat all around him. All of them.
He is the reigning World Champion.

As much as it pains me to say that.

I can't stand his carry on. Like yesterday showing up at the awards with a dog. ffs.

Gillespy · 15-12-2014 7:40pm

HighLine wrote: »

Didn't consider that you would ever take your Lewis blinkers off for this after seeing most of your posts throughout the season. Again... when you have watched every F1 race of the season along with every PGA Tour event, come back to me when you're in a good position to judge. Lewis beating one other driver in an all dominating car doesn't compare with Rory's year.

One glance at your history tells its own story. You're in three thread with this. Your dislike of Hamilton is evident and is fueling this more as much anything.

I'm not a massive golf fan but I watch the Majors and I always root for McIlroy. His natural talent is clear for all to see and he is Irish. As I said, I fully expected him to win and if he did or anyone else for that matter, you wouldn't find me in any thread undermining them or their sport. Trying to compare sports and achievements is pointless anyway.

The only reason I brought it here is because it's good for F1. Who knows the BBC could start showing all the races again when they see something like this.

Brendan Flowers · 15-12-2014 7:48pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

He was robbed, he should have won by a long way. Sure Lewis did well but a one armed blind clown could have won the WDC in that car.

This is the kind of rubbish I'd expect someone like Joey Barton to come out with. I thought you (from what I know of you posting on Boards) would be someone who is be aware of the huge skill and risk involved in racing a car.

I thought Rory was a cert to win but Hamilton is just as worthy of the award. He drove brilliantly for the most part this season. He became a double world champion. He became the first British double world champion in almost 50 years. He set a new record for most Grand Prix victories by a British driver in the history of Formula 1. He won 11 races and was on the podium in ever GP he finished. Only 2 other drivers have ever won more races in a single season than Lewis did this year. He won 5 races in a row, again something that has only ever been bested by 3 other drivers.

I do feel bad for Rory after the great year he had. But people need to get a grip. He was beaten by a top champion.

youreadthat · 15-12-2014 9:42pm

There are still a lot of misconceptions about F1. Drivers don't just fluke their way into good cars, nor can you put any driver in a fast car and get the same results, nor are drivers going around on auto-pilot. People also don't just judge drivers on a single year. Alonso had won nothing in ages and yet his star hasn't diminished, Vettel has had one bad year after four great ones yet his has, it goes to show the variables that go into judging a driver.

As such in a popular vote, there will always be elements of other factors into sporting achievement. Lewis won in the best car, but he also won against a very good team mate, he won his second title, he's considered to be one of the most exciting drivers. He has had many years of not winning but getting everything and more out of the car, he's won races without having the fastest car before, he's won two WC's with two different teams in two different eras of regulations, he impressed massively as a rookie, broken British records, he's won a WC without having the CC winning car.

Yes, many of these things are not 2014 specific but when judging racing drivers the public will always have other factors such as these in mind.

Infoanon · 15-12-2014 9:44pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Fast cars and pit girls will always trump pink golf jumpers and a bag of balls.

The award is for Sports Personality of the year not sports person of the year.

Thus characters like Bradley Wiggins win while eg Mo Farrah doesn't make the too 3 despite being a double Olympic champion.

No criticism of Bradley Wiggins achievements is intended.

Ghost Train · 16-12-2014 12:04am

Sure it's a public vote thing, a popularity contest, not strictly about personality, or sporting achievement. Been a while since an F1 driver won it, so it's good that there's a following there. Lewis has been runner up twice before so who's to say it's not his year.

Rory did have the split from his fiancee earlier in the year which maybe didn't help his following with a few people

Pity Jenson didn't win it back in 2009, personality wise think he has Lewis, Damon, Mansell beat

greedygoblin · 16-12-2014 12:51am

I've been a long time critic of Hamilton over the years, but I have to say that towards the end of this season I've softened my stance somewhat. He seems to have matured a lot over the course of the season. On his winning of the championship, it has to be admitted that the better driver won. Lewis deserved it.

Hamilton beating McIlroy, to me at least, was not a huge surprise (I thought Rory looked a bit shell-shocked accepting the runner-up award

). No doubt it will boost the appeal of the sport in the UK to some degree. It's just the shot in the arm that the sport needs there given that viewership figures were in decline the last few years with the television rights migration from free-to-air to Sky.

I don't think however, that it will be enough to persuade the BBC to reverse their decision to only broadcast half the races live. They are actively cutting their budget left, right and center. Decent F1 coverage unfortunately costs a lot to produce and it's not helped by the fees requested by CVC/Bernie.

I agree GT on the Jenson point. He would have been a hugely popular winner had he got it back then. Personality-wise, there's no competition there from those you mentioned. The thing is though, Lewis is hugely popular over there. He's very careful about the image he portrays on camera. Clearly, he's got some very savvy people advising him. The dog thing I suppose is representative of the Hollywood lifestyle (think Paris Hilton :P); it's all part of the image.

guyfo · 16-12-2014 1:11am

Im on the Hamilton side here, but if Rory had won id be on his.
It was a public vote, Hamilton won by a landslide, its as simple as that. Anybody that says "oh he should have won" or "they should have won" is just bitter, nobody was cheated out of anything nor was it wrongly won, it was a fair competition.

Also, I'm really surprised by the amount of times I've seen statements referring to this today, Sports Personality of the Year does not relate to the person's personality they are by definition a "sports personality".

I know were Irish but English is our primary language, might help if people learnt it!!

The 2 most common meanings of the word personality:

1: The combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual’s distinctive character

2: A celebrity or famous person

Rant over

ScumLord · 16-12-2014 11:17am

Infoanon wrote: »

The award is for Sports Personality of the year not sports person of the year.

What's the difference?

eviltimeban · 16-12-2014 1:14pm

Jesus lads get off this point and back to talking about F1!

Mitch Connor · 16-12-2014 5:01pm

OSI wrote: »

The widespread understanding of their definition.

and the widespread misunderstanding of its meaning with regards the award given.

It is BBC Sports Celebrity/Famous Person of the Year. Not BBC Sports Charismatic Person of the Year.

boardsuser1 · 16-12-2014 5:13pm

This has become the bbc spoty thread not the f1 thread ffs

greedygoblin · 16-12-2014 6:40pm

So some of Red Bulls stolen trophies have been recovered (linky).

Sparks43 · 16-12-2014 7:24pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Yup people are right no more talk of the 2015 award

Technically its the 2014 award:cool:

Frank Bullitt · 16-12-2014 8:09pm

Pat Fry to leave Ferrari also.

boardsuser1 · 16-12-2014 8:34pm

Another south American sauber reject joins ferrari as a test driver,sounds familiar

Ghost Train · 16-12-2014 8:41pm

Will be interesting to see with what Ferrari come up with next year, has lots of potential... to surprise or shock, might be a long season for them next year

Frankie Lee · 16-12-2014 8:41pm

KC161 wrote: »

Another south American sauber reject joins ferrari as a test driver,sounds familiar

Doesn't ring a bell with me.

Frankie Lee · 16-12-2014 8:42pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

Will be interesting to see with what Ferrari come up with next year, has lots of potential... to surprise or shock, might be a long season next year

Unless they can somehow get Mercedes engines they have no hope.

Jordan 199 · 16-12-2014 8:48pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Pat Fry to leave Ferrari also.

Can't say I'm surprised by Fry's and Tombazis departure.

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Doesn't ring a bell with me.

He's referring to Esteban Gutierrez.

Frankie Lee · 16-12-2014 9:01pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

He's referring to Esteban Gutierrez.

I'm aware of that much but am struggling to think of another South American former Sauber driver becoming a test driver for Ferrari.

kksaints · 16-12-2014 9:10pm

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'm aware of that much but am struggling to think of another South American former Sauber driver becoming a test driver for Ferrari.

Massa.

Cookie_Monster · 16-12-2014 9:25pm

kksaints wrote: »

Massa.

He was a main driver and a pretty successful one at that

kksaints · 16-12-2014 9:29pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

He was a main driver and a pretty successful one at that

He drove for Sauber in 2002 and 2004-2005 but was Ferrari test driver for 2003.

Edit: I see the word reject in the original post which is very harsh to say about Massa.

boardsuser1 · 16-12-2014 9:30pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

He was a main driver and a pretty successful one at that

He was a test driver for ferrari in 2003 after being ousted at sauber by frentzen

PukkaStukka · 16-12-2014 9:38pm

Autosport reporting that Ferrari have fired Pat Fry and Nicholas Tombazis. Surely there's nobody left at this stage

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117169

boardsuser1 · 16-12-2014 9:39pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Autosport reporting that Ferrari have fired Pat Fry and Nicholas Tombazis. Surely there's nobody left at this stage

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117169

Not high profile anyway

Frank Bullitt · 16-12-2014 11:47pm

This really is like the early 90's all over again for them.

Its all well and good firing these people, but has there been any replacements mentioned? And I mean realistic ones at that, time and time again Newy's name has been thrown about, but he will never be in red.

It could well be a long few years ahead for them.

Going Strong · 17-12-2014 8:40am

Yup. They can certainly wave goodbye to any title challenge for next season and the one after it. And that assumes that promoting from within actually pays off. They already tried this policy after Brawn & Co left and look where it got them.

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