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Track bikes - general discussion

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    #32
    Beasty
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    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Having a sprint on the road and being a track sprinter are two very separate things, that doesn't mean someone from road is not a fast sprinter, but they're overlooking the endurance they have.



    My impression is that road riders have difficulties with the longer periods of high speed that are involved in track endurance events and get worn down quicker, hence the impression that shorter races suit them better.



    I've also had road riders talk to me about their watt output in a sprint and not realise it's the exact same as mine, and I'm not a sprinter. Have a look at the results from the Duane Delaney and check out some of the roadies in the Bs and Cs there who are regarded as good road sprinters and check their 200m times to those of the As to see what I mean.



    I'm open to correction in all that and am sure I've stepped on some toes, but there you go.
    Let's face it when it comes to the track Cav is definitely an endurance specialist


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    #33
    Harrybelafonte
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    Matt Bianco wrote: »
    For someone coming from a touring background and hoping to race on the track next year for the first time, do you have any advice of what winter training to be doing that would lay a good foundation for the open training in Sundrive in February? Any gym work that should be incorporated?

    Some do weights work, some don't. With the touring you'll be plenty fit I'd say. I wouldn't worry too much until the sessions start. You have until May before any racing starts. Just do what you'd normally do. Are you in a club?

    Edited to add: I am not a coach, I'm just opinionated so take what i advise with a heap of salt.


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    #34
    Matt Bianco
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    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Some do weights work, some don't. With the touring you'll be plenty fit I'd say. I wouldn't worry too much until the sessions start. You have until May before any racing starts. Just do what you'd normally do. Are you in a club?

    Yes in a club but they are only in the process of promoting a team towards competing next year in the league so wanted to preempt the season start with turbo work. Was going to incorporate some climbing on the big ring to training spins to build on building leg power as opposed to spinning up the climbs and taken up a couple of Andy Kennys spinning classes as well.

    Have concentrated until now on longer sportives/ audax and looking forward to the new challenge of the track.


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    #35
    Harrybelafonte
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    Beasty wrote: »
    Let's face it when it comes to the track Cav is definitely an endurance specialist

    Exactly
    Matt Bianco wrote: »
    Yes in a club but they are only in the process of promoting a team towards competing next year in the league so wanted to preempt the season start with turbo work. Was going to incorporate some climbing on the big ring to training spins to build on building leg power as opposed to spinning up the climbs and taken up a couple of Andy Kennys spinning classes as well.

    Have concentrated until now on longer sportives/ audax and looking forward to the new challenge of the track.

    We're generally taught to work on fitness during winter with long group spins, some cadence work and some gym work. The we start building leg strength closer to racing. But like I said, I'm not a coach.


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    #36
    Beasty
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    Matt Bianco wrote: »
    For someone coming from a touring background and hoping to race on the track next year for the first time, do you have any advice of what winter training to be doing that would lay a good foundation for the open training in Sundrive in February? Any gym work that should be incorporated?
    Are you accredited for Sundrive? If not that's going to be a requirement before you can take part in the training sessions. If you are and you start the training sessions when they kick off around February you should be well conditioned for the track league when it starts around the end of April/early May if you are getting long rides in over the winter.

    The Sundrive coaches will be able to give you a steer but I've never done any gym work in previous years (although am certainly now doing some work on the core as part of my rehab but also as it's something that's encouraged for all cycling disciplines)


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    #37
    Matt Bianco
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    Beasty wrote: »
    Are you accredited for Sundrive? If not that's going to be a requirement before you can take part in the training sessions. If you are and you start the training sessions when they kick off around February you should be well conditioned for the track league when it starts around the end of April/early May if you are getting long rides in over the winter.

    The Sundrive coaches will be able to give you a steer but I've never done any gym work in previous years (although am certainly now doing some work on the core as part of my rehab but also as it's something that's encouraged for all cycling disciplines)

    Have been accredited in Sundrive but didn't get the chance to take part in training session as was one of last accreditation sessions before the winter break

    Thanks for all the pointers and hope to see you all out there - following the Sundrive thread was one of the factors which helped me decide to take part


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    #38
    eeeee
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    Basically if you go to the sessions you'll be in good shape for the league. It's what I did this year and it went fine. I was coming from a base of pretty much nothing so if you have anything in your legs at all you're going to do alright.


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    #39
    Harrybelafonte
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    Matt Bianco wrote: »
    Have been accredited in Sundrive but didn't get the chance to take part in training session as was one of last accreditation sessions before the winter break

    Thanks for all the pointers and hope to see you all out there - following the Sundrive thread was one of the factors which helped me decide to take part

    You need to do one training session before full accreditation. You'll need to tell them this when you show up for that first session.


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    #40
    lennymc
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    Went ahead and ordered the nomnium for january Omnium.jpg


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    #41
    lennymc
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    quick question - Quick release are a big no no on track, but what about the security skewers that you tighten with an allen key? Are they allowed?


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    #42
    Alek
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    Quick release are a big no no on track

    I've heard about this: why exactly?


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    #43
    lennymc
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    i think it's in case you pull the wheel - the bolts get a much better grip when tightening the wheel compared to a qr.


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    #44
    RockWerchter
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    You'll get away with the allen key skewer on the front, don't know if it's officially allowed, but you'll get away with it at the nationals and league events.


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    #45
    Alek
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    i think it's in case you pull the wheel - the bolts get a much better grip when tightening the wheel compared to a qr.

    Do you mean pulling the wheel in horizontal dropouts? I got it.


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    #46
    CramCycle
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    Alek wrote: »
    Do you mean pulling the wheel in horizontal dropouts? I got it.

    Happened in one of the last league races, one of the lads from Sundrive took of from a standing start and put so much force in the initial push that the wheel popped forward. I thought his foot had slipped initially.

    Last year I done no training for the league but throughly enjoyed it.

    This year I have lowered my gearing for the winter commutes and am really trying to build up my cadence. It felt like my limiting factor as I often felt fine but could not seem to spin any faster which I think came from pushing stupidly high gears all the time. Comfortably hitting 110+ whereas on the track last year, I was lucky to get over 90, legs just could not spin that fast.


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    #47
    lennymc
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    RockWerchter wrote: »
    You'll get away with the allen key skewer on the front, don't know if it's officially allowed, but you'll get away with it at the nationals and league events.

    cheers - that would mean I only need to buy one race wheel... :)


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    #48
    Harrybelafonte
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    QR Skewers aren't allowed because anything that might catch on anything is banned. Hex bolt skewers are fine for front. Many of the tri spoke etc come with hex.

    You'll be surprised at how well your rear wheel needs to be tightened. One of biggest faults with track bikes is that the rear stays end up warped with all the tightening.


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    #49
    Harrybelafonte
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    lennymc wrote: »
    Went ahead and ordered the nomnium for january

    Andreas Muller apparently running his in Zesdaagse Vlaanderen-Gent


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    #50
    endacl
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    Beasty wrote: »
    (although you can spend most of the time on the hoods on the road, and that is definitely frowned upon when track racing)

    Staying on the hoods, or having them on a track bike in the first place?

    :pac:


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    #51
    nak
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    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Andreas Muller apparently running his in Zesdaagse Vlaanderen-Gent

    A lot of the 6 days riders are using Alumnium frames; Mark Cavendish included and one of the Americans is on a steel frame.


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    #52
    Harrybelafonte
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    nak wrote: »
    A lot of the 6 days riders are using Alumnium frames; Mark Cavendish included and one of the Americans is on a steel frame.

    Cavendish looked to be on a DF4?


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    #53
    nak
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    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Cavendish looked to be on a DF4?

    Think it's a Langster Pro, doubt he would be allowed to ride anything other than Specialized.


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    #54
    Harrybelafonte
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    B2sRDh6CQAASl_i.jpg


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    #55
    nak
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    That definitely ain't from Specialized unless it's custom. He was on a Langster Pro in pictures I saw before. Keisse was using the Langster last season, but has used Dolans in the past.


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    #56
    niceonetom
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    new_df4_bike_side_white_2_900.jpg


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    #57
    nak
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    The plot thickens, Specialized are claiming it's a prototype Langster. Could be a case like the tyre choice for classics; use FMBs but pretend they're from the sponsor?


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    #58
    CramCycle
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    nak wrote: »
    The plot thickens, Specialized are claiming it's a prototype Langster. Could be a case like the tyre choice for classics; use FMBs but pretend they're from the sponsor?

    Certainly wouldn't be the first time it's been done


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    #59
    lennymc
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    they might sue dolan now.....


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    #60
    Beasty
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    lennymc wrote: »
    they might sue dolan now.....
    Who's she paired up with?:)


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    #61
    Harrybelafonte
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    There's no way it's not anything but a df3.


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