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M17/M18 - Gort to Tuam [open to traffic]

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    #2252
    antoobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    kippy wrote: »
    Sorry Antoo, that was a kind of rhetorical question (well a rhetorical question that I answered)

    I know it was rhetorical, should really have quoted the original. But then again the next post, one can see the kind of "logic" that's rampant in this country.
    kippy wrote: »
    Yeah, lots and lots of heavy plant that "resided" here from 02-09 or so was sold off or moved elsewhere as the work wasn't here for it.

    Also a lot of the work was subcontracted and there was a fair bit of unhappiness over payment difficulties for some of the other projects, most notably the M7.

    There could be a bit of left over apprehensiveness for machinery contractors involved as well (despite the different consortium).


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    #2253
    f2
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭f2


    Applications for waste permits[top soil, sub soil ,rock] are going in this month, they take two months[ plannig permission required] so Feb sounds about right!!!!


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    #2254
    busyatwork
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭busyatwork


    f2 wrote: »
    Applications for waste permits[top soil, sub soil ,rock] are going in this month, they take two months[ plannig permission required] so Feb sounds about right!!!!

    Have they not started quarry operations already on one part


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    #2255
    antoobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    busyatwork wrote: »
    Have they not started quarry operations already on one part

    There is PP for the existing quarry in Cashla to temporarily house an ashphalt plant for the duration of the project.


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    #2256
    D Trent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    http://connachttribune.ie/galway-motorway-excavation-sees-soil-throw-ancient-secrets-846/


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    #2257
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    rickjames16 wrote: »
    and yet more roadworks .. 20 mins in killcollgin this morning , when is this going to stop .. 10/11 weeks of it now ! i live in ennis but work in shrule so have to go to claregalway and cut accross ! how can public transport help me ?
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    Take the train from Ennis to Galway and bus 456 towards balina, alight at shrule.


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    #2258
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,396 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cgcsb wrote: »
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    Take the train from Ennis to Galway and bus 456 towards balina, alight at shrule.
    Are you serious?


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    #2259
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    kippy wrote: »
    Are you serious?

    Is there any reason why one wouldn't consider this option?


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    #2260
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Is there any reason why one wouldn't consider this option?

    Roughly how many days to you think a return trip by this route would take?


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    #2261
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Roughly how many days to you think a return trip by this route would take?

    2 hours, 46 minutes according to the journey planner.


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    #2262
    antoobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    cgcsb wrote: »
    2 hours, 46 minutes according to the journey planner.

    That's at least an hour on the generous side.


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    #2263
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    antoobrien wrote: »
    That's at least an hour on the generous side.

    Have you done the journey recently?


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    #2264
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Have you done the journey recently?

    The train takes 1.20, and the bus to Shrule takes about 50 minutes, so that's 2.10 sitting in one or the other.

    But arriving in Galway at 8.10 am, you just missed the 456 to Shrule at 8.05, so you're screwed.


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    #2265
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,396 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Is there any reason why one wouldn't consider this option?

    Theres' at least three reasons.
    1. The times of these services.
    Is there a train to galway at a time in the morning that allows you to catch the connection to Shrule to get you there in time for whatever event you need to be in Shrule for? (Same for the evening)
    2. The time it takes to get to the location - how long does it take each way - assuming the connection time does work out for you and forgetting about traffic etc.
    3. The cost - how much does a day return cost on these services?


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    #2266
    Volvoair
    Registered Users Posts: 133 ✭✭Volvoair


    kippy wrote: »
    What happened all the machinery that was in Ireland?
    I'd suggest there wasn't enough work for it.

    IT WAS AUCTIONED off at half price or less, a few years ago.most of it was almost new and it went out to poland etc..for their road building projects...some of the plant was massive and was too big for general site work


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    #2267
    antoobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Have you done the journey recently?

    I've tried to drive past shrule, took an hour with clear roads.


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    #2268
    Ericfast
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Ericfast


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Have you done the journey recently?

    So 5 and a half hours to and from work ? This is a serious thread .. Can you please keep it like that ! Public transport in the west of Ireland isn't actually that bad at times but any time there s a connection involved it's a disaster ! Cannot wait untill this road is done !


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    #2269
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Ericfast wrote: »
    So 5 and a half hours to and from work ? This is a serious thread .. Can you please keep it like that ! Public transport in the west of Ireland isn't actually that bad at times but any time there s a connection involved it's a disaster ! Cannot wait untill this road is done !
    Sounds like someone needs to move closer to work.


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    #2270
    boosabum
    Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭boosabum


    I know shrule well and for the life of me i can't see what job opportunity is there that any individual would spend so much time travelling. The portion from galway city to shrule is probably the worst section of road for a main artey (galway to castlebar) in the country


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    #2271
    LFC Murphy
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭LFC Murphy


    Maybe we can keep the thread on track.


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    #2272
    red bull
    Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭red bull


    NRA rep on morning ireland yesterday morning said work will start early in new year


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    #2273
    busyatwork
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭busyatwork


    red bull wrote: »
    NRA rep on morning ireland yesterday morning said work will start early in new year

    Work will start next year but weather will play a big factor in the start date


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    #2274
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    red bull wrote: »
    NRA rep on morning ireland yesterday morning said work will start early in new year

    Weasel words again. It's totally outrageous how they announced the contract signing at the end of April 2014 (after 7 full years of false dawns) and yet work still has not started. It could easily be April 2015 before work actually begins. Even if it starts Jan/Feb that's virtually a year from contract signing.

    This marks a new low in cynical government doublespeak.


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    #2275
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    VR6 wrote: »
    Weasel words again. It's totally outrageous how they announced the contract signing at the end of April 2014 (after 7 full years of false dawns) and yet work still has not started. It could easily be April 2015 before work actually begins. Even if it starts Jan/Feb that's virtually a year from contract signing.

    This marks a new low in cynical government doublespeak.
    em, how do you propose they do the earth works when they can't get machines?
    With shovels by hand? Maybe import tens of thousands of workers from the 3rd world to get the required scale?


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    #2276
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    em, how do you propose they do the earth works when they can't get machines?
    With shovels by hand? Maybe import tens of thousands of workers from the 3rd world to get the required scale?

    Perhaps a more rational solution would have been to award the contract to a consortium that actually had the equipment (or could source it) to do the job. To most peoples minds that would be an obvious place to start.


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    #2277
    Geogregor
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Geogregor


    But isn't it a design&build contract where contractor has to first finalize exact design of bridges, underpasses and the actual mainline, and then have it approved by the NRA before any physical work can take place?


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    #2278
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭serfboard


    VR6 wrote: »
    This marks a new low in cynical government doublespeak.
    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    em, how do you propose they do the earth works when they can't get machines?
    With shovels by hand? Maybe import tens of thousands of workers from the 3rd world to get the required scale?
    Geogregor wrote: »
    But isn't it a design&build contract where contractor has to first finalize exact design of bridges, underpasses and the actual mainline, and then have it approved by the NRA before any physical work can take place?
    Whatever about signing the contract (which may be fair enough), it was the sod turning that did it for me. I think this job will mark a record in terms of time between "sod turning" and actual sods turning. Why turn the sod until you have the resources on-site ready to actually start turning the sod?

    Unless, of course, your reason for a sod-turning ceremony is to influence a (local) election.

    And therein lies the cynicism.


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    #2279
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    VR6 wrote: »
    Perhaps a more rational solution would have been to award the contract to a consortium that actually had the equipment (or could source it) to do the job. To most peoples minds that would be an obvious place to start.
    nope.
    getting the finance would be where you start.

    It was hard enough getting the project to this stage that it finally looks to have both finance and a willing consortium about to start works, without adding a stipulation that the bidders must have millions of euro worth of machinery at standby (doing nothing), probably costing 1000s a month in security costs on top - for what would be an indefinite period of time till the cash appears and at this stage its a good 4years of tricking about waiting for the go ahead/ final financing.


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    #2280
    antoobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    nope.
    getting the finance would be where you start.

    That is supposed to be in place at signing.

    With the route known and laid out by the NRA, there is no reason short of lack of machinery & appropriate personnel that excavations couldn't have started at this stage.


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    #2281
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    em, how do you propose they do the earth works when they can't get machines?
    With shovels by hand? Maybe import tens of thousands of workers from the 3rd world to get the required scale?
    I'm mystified as to how they were awarded the contract to build this when they clearly have no physical way of doing so.


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