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  • #2602
    Gedmen
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Gedmen


    SachaJ wrote: »
    Great thanks, the HE16i and HE16 are on my list but I was worried about some negative reviews I read where it's smoking through a 2mm gap around the air input vent.

    Can you control the room output (to say 4kW) while still getting the full 14kW to 16kW to the boiler?

    Yes I read that one review too but read it to the end - the Arada technician called out and there was zero problem. He could not recreate any smoking whatsoever. The fuel that was being burned wasn't available to him on the day.

    Our stove smokes sometimes when refueling - fact. This is stated in the stove manual. It depends on what we burn and weather / wind conditions. I would definitely buy the stove again its magic for us. I have no experience of other stoves and maybe some people never experience any smoke when refueling? If we burn smokeless fuel or wood this happens much less because the heat is much greater and drives the smoke up and out.

    There's a built in thermostat that controls the air intake and hence the burn. If you close or part close the secondary burn intake you also regulate the flow. If your stove is burning flat out to give you 16kw to water you cannot turn the output to room down - its the same fire after all. But heat to room with a boiler stove is generally much poorer than non boiler stoves. Hope this helps. :)


  • #2603
    Deedsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Hi lads,

    Hope someone can give me a bit of advice here. I want to change the rope gasket surrounding the door on a morso squirrel stove. I have removed the old rope and scraped out the inlet and wiped it out with water. I have the new rope gasket cut to measure but it's very difficult to close the door as it is. I was told I should glue to rope into place. Will I use any glue or is there a specific glue/cement that should be used? If so where would I be able to purchase it? I picked up an all purpose glue in woodies but it says highly flammable on the pack so I am reluctant to use that.

    Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks

    I changed the gasket today and used the proper glue. The door is crazily stiff and difficult to close. Anyone else experience this? Anything can be done to loosen it?


  • #2604
    BarneyMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭BarneyMc


    Can anyone help me find a stove that:

    1. Takes an external air supply
    2. Has a back boiler
    3. Is room sealed

    Finding it impossible to find anything out there and have been told by one supplier that they don't exist!


  • #2605
    ccsolar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭ccsolar


    BarneyMc wrote: »
    Can anyone help me find a stove that:

    1. Takes an external air supply
    2. Has a back boiler
    3. Is room sealed

    Finding it impossible to find anything out there and have been told by one supplier that they don't exist!
    Have you tried the Inis-Mor stove


  • #2606
    sunshine10
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭sunshine10


    Hi everyone, just wondering if anyone can please offer some advice regarding a leak in our roof following the installation of our Stanley stove last year. The stove was installed using the twinwall insulated pipe, allowing the flue to pass through the ceiling/roof. A flashing kit was used on the roof. My question is should the flashing keep out all rainwater if installed correctly?? or will rain get in from time to time depending on the wind direction etc?

    Yesterday morning at one point, the rain came down straight / heavy and a lot of water came through the ceiling very close to the pipe. This is the first time that this has happened, on occasions we have had a small amount of water drip down the pipe itself. thanks in advance


  • #2607
    hairynipple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 110 ✭✭hairynipple


    Hi all

    I live in a standard semi detached 3 bed house. Last winter i fitted a Valentia insert stove (non boiler) into the fireplace and am delighted with the heat output.

    I regret not getting a boiler stove in the sitting room so now I would like to put a boiler stove in the kitchen to heat the rest of the house (I was thinking beside the patio door or anywhere else in the kitchen that might be suitable)

    Has anyone here ever done such a thing or seen it done before?

    Thanks in advance


  • #2608
    john_cappa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭john_cappa


    BarneyMc wrote: »
    Can anyone help me find a stove that:

    1. Takes an external air supply
    2. Has a back boiler
    3. Is room sealed

    Finding it impossible to find anything out there and have been told by one supplier that they don't exist!
    http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/direct-air-supply-stoves.html

    Off the top of my head the woodfire and brosley ones fit your needs I think.

    I think they are all woodburning only though.


  • #2609
    guinness queen
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭guinness queen


    what do u mean by a direct air supply. try nestor martin


  • #2610
    improv_12
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭improv_12


    john_cappa wrote: »

    http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/direct-air-supply-stoves.html

    Off the top of my head the woodfire and brosley ones fit your needs I think.

    I think they are all woodburning only though.

    ...yep I second that list.... In your searches let me know if any of the ones you find have a very small total output (6kw) - its for an A3 passive house.

    :)


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  • #2611
    john_cappa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭john_cappa


    improv_12 wrote: »
    ...yep I second that list.... In your searches let me know if any of the ones you find have a very small total output (6kw) - its for an A3 passive house.

    :)

    A3 is not a passive house?

    Morso S11 is 5KW and has direct air supply. No boiler but assume you dont want one given that its only 6kw you want.


  • #2612
    SportyDaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭SportyDaddy


    Hi everyone,

    I have a 4 bed bungalow currently been heated by oil. I am looking to install an inset boiler stove in the hope that i can leave the oil boiler switched off most of the time. The thing is though i am set on using timber only. Obviously the timber i use will need to be bellow the 20% moisture content. I am considering the Esse350 GS or the Stratford EB16i both of which are getting good reviews. Is there anyone out there heating a bungalow using one of these models burning timber only? Is it possible? Will i be looking at very large amounts of timber?

    Another option that has been sold to me recently is the idea of a warm air distribution insert stove which heats multiple rooms via a series of insulated ducts in the attic which is pushed through using a fan. The model is the Start7 from BEF Home - does anyone have any opinions on this type of heating and on the stove itself?

    Cheers guys.


  • #2613
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    SportyDaddy wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    I have a 4 bed bungalow currently been heated by oil. I am looking to install an inset boiler stove in the hope that i can leave the oil boiler switched off most of the time. The thing is though i am set on using timber only. Obviously the timber i use will need to be bellow the 20% moisture content. I am considering the Esse350 GS or the Stratford EB16i both of which are getting good reviews. Is there anyone out there heating a bungalow using one of these models burning timber only? Is it possible? Will i be looking at very large amounts of timber?

    Another option that has been sold to me recently is the idea of a warm air distribution insert stove which heats multiple rooms via a series of insulated ducts in the attic which is pushed through using a fan. The model is the Start7 from BEF Home - does anyone have any opinions on this type of heating and on the stove itself?

    Cheers guys.
    From an Esse users perspective, go with the 350 if you can. The installer of mine was in awe as he was putting it in.

    To say it's solid is an understatement. In order to heat radiators though you're going to be feeding an immense amount of timber daily.

    Why are you so set on one fuel? 350 is multifuel and well able for coal.


  • #2614
    improv_12
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭improv_12


    john_cappa wrote: »
    A3 is not a passive house?

    Morso S11 is 5KW and has direct air supply. No boiler but assume you dont want one given that its only 6kw you want.

    Yes you are right it is not a passive house - alot of these terms are quite new to me and I am having to get up to speed with more new things every day. It will be A3 with MVHR and pretty air tight.

    Thanks for the tip on the stove. I hear good things about the Morso brand. With regards to a boiler - that was the question do very low output boier stoves exist that have direct air?

    I found some Vlager Boiler Stoves that were low output but they are not direct air:

    http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Villager-Esprit-Stoves.html


  • #2615
    john_cappa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭john_cappa


    improv_12 wrote: »
    Yes you are right it is not a passive house - alot of these terms are quite new to me and I am having to get up to speed with more new things every day. It will be A3 with MVHR and pretty air tight.

    Thanks for the tip on the stove. I hear good things about the Morso brand. With regards to a boiler - that was the question do very low output boier stoves exist that have direct air?

    I found some Vlager Boiler Stoves that were low output but they are not direct air:

    http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Villager-Esprit-Stoves.html

    How many KW do you need to the room and how many for the boiler?


  • #2616
    SportyDaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭SportyDaddy


    MugMugs wrote: »
    From an Esse users perspective, go with the 350 if you can. The installer of mine was in awe as he was putting it in.

    To say it's solid is an understatement. In order to heat radiators though you're going to be feeding an immense amount of timber daily.

    Why are you so set on one fuel? 350 is multifuel and well able for coal.
    I like the idea of burning timber as it is a very clean fuel and is completely renewable. My fear is that i may not get the level of heat i require.

    Any further advice greatly appreciated!


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  • #2617
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭paul71


    SportyDaddy wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    I have a 4 bed bungalow currently been heated by oil. I am looking to install an inset boiler stove in the hope that i can leave the oil boiler switched off most of the time. The thing is though i am set on using timber only. Obviously the timber i use will need to be bellow the 20% moisture content. I am considering the Esse350 GS or the Stratford EB16i both of which are getting good reviews. Is there anyone out there heating a bungalow using one of these models burning timber only? Is it possible? Will i be looking at very large amounts of timber?

    Another option that has been sold to me recently is the idea of a warm air distribution insert stove which heats multiple rooms via a series of insulated ducts in the attic which is pushed through using a fan. The model is the Start7 from BEF Home - does anyone have any opinions on this type of heating and on the stove itself?

    Cheers guys.

    I recently put in a warm air distribution system in my parents home from a regency stove. Or rather I helped my brother in law who installs these systems all the time in The Czech Republic, do it.

    The stove has 36kw output and just about heats the house (6 bedroom 3,000sq ft converted 19th century parnelite house) 2 rooms furtest from the stove don't get as much heat as the others. It would certainly heat your house and wood burning is certainly the way to go for both envirionmental and cost reasons as it is does not attract carbon tax.


  • #2618
    littlevillage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Maybe slightly off topic .. apologies for that.

    I have the option of two boiler stoves. I am heating a 5m x 5m room .. and only two rads (at the moment), maybe 2/3 more in the future.

    Heritage Derg 12Kw - (4kw room, 8kw boiler), 5 yr warranty includes only the stove parts not boiler, - price €699
    Olymberl Olive 10Kw - (4kw room, 6kw boiler) 5 yr warranty including the boiler - price €670

    Both are manufactured in China but with varying degrees of 'Irishness'.

    Which is best ? Olymberl seems slightly better made but its 20% lower on power.


  • #2619
    stellab
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭stellab


    Hi, would really appreciate some advice regarding the above. If anybody has either one of these installed I would love to hear how you are getting on with them. Slightly concerned from reading reviews of the eb12 that there is not enough heat to the room & the cara + is only 3.6kw to the room. Our room is 17ft x 15ft. 4 double rads, 3 towel radiators & 5 single rads. These will not all be turned on all the time. Any advice or any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks


  • #2620
    xxmarymoxx
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭xxmarymoxx


    Hi does anyone know of someone that can fit a stove for me it has a back boiler am based in Offaly.


  • #2621
    batman1
    Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭batman1


    stellab wrote: »
    Hi, would really appreciate some advice regarding the above. If anybody has either one of these installed I would love to hear how you are getting on with them. Slightly concerned from reading reviews of the eb12 that there is not enough heat to the room & the cara + is only 3.6kw to the room. Our room is 17ft x 15ft. 4 double rads, 3 towel radiators & 5 single rads. These will not all be turned on all the time. Any advice or any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

    I have the EB12 inset stove. Very happy with it. Room is 17 ft x 13. Heats all rads and hot water no probs. Very well built strong stove. Having seen the stanley cara in another house, I wasn't impressed.


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  • #2622
    improv_12
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭improv_12


    john_cappa wrote: »
    How many KW do you need to the room and how many for the boiler?

    hi,

    I have been trying to work out the details.

    The room is 36.7 m3
    The house is 338.4 m3

    Because of the good insulation and MVHR I was thinking 2kw for the room would be fine.

    I was told that 3 small rads would be OK. Based on what I read on another site a 600x600mm double radiator would need 1kw.

    For the hot water there is just two people in the household so I thought that a 100 litre would be OK. I read that 2.2KW would be needed for that.

    So to summarise:

    2KW for the room
    3KW for rads
    2.2KW for the hot water.

    Not sure if I am going to find such a stove or get it to fit within a system that would meet the BER requirements. We might end up with just a non-boiler stove and fulfil all the other heat/hot water another way.....

    Thanks for your time.

    :)


  • #2623
    improv_12
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭improv_12


    Anyone think it would be a good idea to have a dedicated Stove sub-forum?


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87185185#post87185185

    It would be easier to search, navigate, respond and share info.

    :)


  • #2624
    tatoo
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭tatoo


    improv_12 wrote: »
    Anyone think it would be a good idea to have a dedicated Stove sub-forum?


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87185185#post87185185

    It would be easier to search, navigate, respond and share info.

    :)

    Not a bad idea at all !


  • #2625
    dugger
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭dugger


    Sanchez83 wrote: »
    http://henleystoves.com/boiler-stoves/the-skellig-8kw-stove

    Ive seen a few good black or brown enamel prices on these lately :)
    Sanchez: I was called to look at a Henley stove at a house yesterday as the elderly couple has had it 2 years and claim it never heated the radiators. On my inspection I can 100% say that the boiler has been manufactured incorrectly, the cold water is coming on the bottom of 1 side and traveling only the distance up to the nearest outlet, This is a very common problem with boilers made in china as they don't understand the baffle arrangement needed inside the boiler to bring the water around the full water jacket, And to make matters worse when they rang and complained someone came out and knew there was a problem but tried to disguise it by taking the thermostat out of the pocket and resting it under the top casting so after 5 mins the thermostat would get hot and close the primary air and not allow them to get a roaring fire even if they want to. This is another case that will probably be settled out of court and the public will never know about it, But people should know this as I feel it's disgraceful that these pop up companies are setting up flooding the market with crap just for a quick buck.


  • #2626
    tatoo
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭tatoo


    Thinking of putting in a stove c. 5kw in an existing 16" x 22" grate,
    as it stands there's the grate, with tiled ( slanting inwards ) and a cast iron surround and canopy under a timber mantle.
    I don't want to break the bank doing this, can I put an insert in without too much trouble & expense ?
    ...or is it possible to just take out the grate and tiles and fit a small free-standing model - are there fire-hazard issues ?

    Any advice appreciated.


  • #2627
    littlevillage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Sanchez83 wrote: »
    Stay well clear of the Heritage stoves as the chances if them being around in 5 years for parts are slim to none.
    They are stoves which are being imported by right price tiles which they have branded as Heritage recently.
    As soon as they have their money made or alternatively close down like alot of them do,then your in trouble.

    Olymberyl are relatively well established so are a slightly safer bet but be wary that they are only distributed in Ireland,their company owner is Chinese.

    While other brands like Stanley,Henley,Mulberry etc are made abroad,they are at least Irish owned.

    One small point on heat outputs! If a company cant show you a cert to verify a heat output then its more than likely only an estimated maximum so take it with a pinch of salt.Always look for a cert and nominal heat output imo.
    I know Henley and heat design have them available in most of their retailers for most of their stoves.


    ...

    Thanks Sanchez... yep my own feeling is that the Heritage Stove is not exactly of the finest quality. Its really hard to differentiate the real mcCoy though from the fakes and copies....even more difficult to differentiate what is quality and what's not and even when dealing with copies and fakes ... what represents good 'value'.


    I am now looking also at the Mulberry Yates 10kw boiler €850-ish
    and still at the Olymberyl Olive boiler 10kw €670

    Mulberry it seems are partly made in Ireland .. (the main casting I'd expect still comes from China) with some final assembly and testing in Ireland. But at least I'll have some comeback.

    Now ... all depends on what deal I can hammer out of the retailers I suppose.


  • #2628
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    90degree bends have the potential to kill you.How do you sweep past a 90degree bend you can't.I agree with the 37.5 degree bit but contact any stove manufacturer and ask if you can use a 90 bend and see what reply you get.

    That doesn't make sense. You're misreading the building regs. Its not possible to have an outlet at the back of a stove without having an overall 90 degree bend up into the chimney.


  • #2629
    themom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭themom


    Hi there

    We are hoping to get a small 6 kw stove into a downstairs room.There is no chimney so will be going out through the wall.It is a single storey extension. We are hoping to buy the parts ourselves and then get someone to fit it.
    Cam someone tell me exactly what I would need and how I measure for the flue?
    Thanks.


  • #2630
    DenisCork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭DenisCork


    Usually the fitter will do a survey first and give you a list of flue parts. It's hard to say here - every situation is different.


  • #2631
    improv_12
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭improv_12


    ...I guess such as stove does not exist :(:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87175056&postcount=2635

    I was thinking again about airtight houses and stoves. There still seems to be some opinion that the two are not possible - the problem being when you refuel - even with an external direct air supply, correct instalation of flue and MVHR. Any thoughts?

    And just another plug for a dedicated stove forum. iIn case any others think that might be a good idea add your support here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057068895


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  • #2632
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    tatoo wrote: »
    Thinking of putting in a stove c. 5kw in an existing 16" x 22" grate,
    as it stands there's the grate, with tiled ( slanting inwards ) and a cast iron surround and canopy under a timber mantle.
    I don't want to break the bank doing this, can I put an insert in without too much trouble & expense ?
    if i read you right, the hearth is tiled and is sloping? you'd potentially have trouble with the door of an insert hitting the tiles.


  • #2633
    Crazy Eye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 338 ✭✭Crazy Eye


    hi thinking of getting a boiler stove installed for 9 rads in the near future .
    do you need a roaring fire going for the stove to even heat the rads to luke warm ?
    dont need the house to feel like the bahamas , just lookin to take the chill out of the rooms on cold windy nights .


  • #2634
    guinness queen
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭guinness queen


    I was told Olymberl was owned by two men from the North of Ireland, that they had their own factory in China, and were one of the better Chinese made stoves. I cannot confirm that. but you could check I am sure. On the other hand Stanley insist that their stoves are made in Waterford, I have been told this several times by both an agent and someone in the Stanley place in Waterford. I know this is not true.
    there are some good stoves made in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium and of course England. They might be somewhat more expensive but may be more reliable and hopefully will be around for a while.

    I have a Nestor Martin, not so sure if the model is for me, but it is a good stove and throws out enormous heat on wood only. It is roasting hot with anthracite, and I really have to leave the doors open, and this is one cold old stone house. It is a closed model and does not have a boiler.
    .


  • #2635
    Katie OS
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Katie OS


    Crazy Eye wrote: »
    hi thinking of getting a boiler stove installed for 9 rads in the near future .
    do you need a roaring fire going for the stove to even heat the rads to luke warm ?
    dont need the house to feel like the bahamas , just lookin to take the chill out of the rooms on cold windy nights .

    Just had a boiler insert stove installed, the new morgan hamco. Have to say it heats the rads, all 10 of them comfortably on just a basket of logs burning since this afternoon. Still getting used to controls etc. Plenty of hot water, only problem I am having is the glass is getting browned, will need to find out how to avoid this. Hope this helps, looked around for nearly a year before deciding on a stove, no way were we paying out for 3 fills of oil this winter!!!:D


  • #2636
    Crazy Eye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 338 ✭✭Crazy Eye


    Katie OS wrote: »
    Just had a boiler insert stove installed, the new morgan hamco. Have to say it heats the rads, all 10 of them comfortably on just a basket of logs burning since this afternoon. Still getting used to controls etc. Plenty of hot water, only problem I am having is the glass is getting browned, will need to find out how to avoid this. Hope this helps, looked around for nearly a year before deciding on a stove, no way were we paying out for 3 fills of oil this winter!!!:D

    sounds nice . any pictures of the stove ?
    does it send much heat out into the room ?
    was reading that boiler stoves send most of the heat to the rads , is this true ?


  • #2637
    RubyGirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    Katie OS wrote: »
    Just had a boiler insert stove installed, the new morgan hamco. Have to say it heats the rads, all 10 of them comfortably on just a basket of logs burning since this afternoon. Still getting used to controls etc. Plenty of hot water, only problem I am having is the glass is getting browned, will need to find out how to avoid this. Hope this helps, looked around for nearly a year before deciding on a stove, no way were we paying out for 3 fills of oil this winter!!!:D

    Sounds good do u mind me asking how much you paid for it. Looking for something along the same line.


  • #2638
    Katie OS
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Katie OS


    Crazy Eye wrote: »
    sounds nice . any pictures of the stove ?
    does it send much heat out into the room ?
    was reading that boiler stoves send most of the heat to the rads , is this true ?

    The room is comfortable without being too hot, most of the heat is to the boiler, It is 18kw stove with app 3 kw to room and the rest to boiler.
    Have'nt tried coal yet so I would say its warmer.
    Attached some pics


  • #2639
    Katie OS
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Katie OS


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    Sounds good do u mind me asking how much you paid for it. Looking for something along the same line.

    Well after much searching and seeking I got the best price from Tuam Heating and Plumbing, Declan Marley there couldn't do enough for me. I live in Dublin and it was cheaper for to get him to deliver from Tuam than companies down the road from me. The guy knows his stuff and what he doesn't know he will ring you back with the answer. I got a lovely oak mantle delivered today from a guy in Tyronne, Colm Campbell, found him on donedeal under oak beams. As with the stove he was cheaper to get from the north to my door and I am very pleased with it. Its a 10" wide by 8" depth by 54" long and to my door for 180 euro. The stove locally was 1565 but I got it from Declan for 1066.


  • #2640
    RubyGirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    Katie OS wrote: »
    Well after much searching and seeking I got the best price from Tuam Heating and Plumbing, Declan Marley there couldn't do enough for me. I live in Dublin and it was cheaper for to get him to deliver from Tuam than companies down the road from me. The guy knows his stuff and what he doesn't know he will ring you back with the answer. I got a lovely oak mantle delivered today from a guy in Tyronne, Colm Campbell, found him on donedeal under oak beams. As with the stove he was cheaper to get from the north to my door and I am very pleased with it. Its a 10" wide by 8" depth by 54" long and to my door for 180 euro. The stove locally was 1565 but I got it from Declan for 1066.

    Thanks for that Katie, from Galway so will def check him out.


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  • #2641
    fozz10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭fozz10


    this amazes me how it keeps showing up on forums.i dunno is it other suppliers putting that out there because they sell so well, the last guy on boards.ie i had this discussion with was exactly at that and is banned now probably for trying to advertise his own business. stanley stoves ARE made in waterford i have no business with them only my brother works there with id say 15 years or more and i doubt hes imagining what goes on every day in his work place. ive asked him a million times and ALL there stoves are made there in the factory there. he does it every day. the cast iron is not chinese. they are all made there. they are irish. like i said ive nothing to do with them but when i know for fact that some stuff is just nonsense i might as well say what info i know if it helps someone make a correct decision not one based on bull. its amazing to read so much false info on these forums. QUOTE=guinness queen;87267064]I was told Olymberl was owned by two men from the North of Ireland, that they had their own factory in China, and were one of the better Chinese made stoves. I cannot confirm that. but you could check I am sure. On the other hand Stanley insist that their stoves are made in Waterford, I have been told this several times by both an agent and someone in the Stanley place in Waterford. I know this is not true.
    there are some good stoves made in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium and of course England. They might be somewhat more expensive but may be more reliable and hopefully will be around for a while.

    I have a Nestor Martin, not so sure if the model is for me, but it is a good stove and throws out enormous heat on wood only. It is roasting hot with anthracite, and I really have to leave the doors open, and this is one cold old stone house. It is a closed model and does not have a boiler.
    .[/QUOTE]


  • #2642
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    I'm looking for some advice please about installing a stove. I have a kitchen / living room 7m x 3m x 2.5m. There is a space of 1.9m at an external wall. On one side of the space is the end of a worktop with a press underneath, on the other side is a glass TV stand with an LCD TV and various other electronics.

    My concerns are:

    1) There is an extractor fan over a hob located 1.8m away from the proposed site of the stove. Is this a major issue? Has anybody here got an extractor fan in the same room as a stove without problems?

    2) If I install a 400mm wide stove it leaves 750mm each side. Is the TV likely to overheat? I have never experienced a stove's heat in person.

    Thanks in advance for any replies.


  • #2643
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Fozz10.

    A few facts.

    Waterford Stanley in my view are the market leaders. . Great stove top quality.

    However, they do not make their stoves in their entirety in Waterford. They have been outsourcing elements of production in china for some time now. They may assemble stoves in Waterford but they do outsorce components.

    This isn't a reason to think less od their products, absolutely no doubt the highest quality remains.

    http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/printer_1000article_10009377.shtml


  • #2644
    fozz10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭fozz10


    I'm sure you checked the dates in that? If you didn't it's 2007. They done this for a few years after the iron foundry on the quay closed and stopped it a good while ago after people supposedly weren't happy with the quality which could of been affected that's not something i know. since then all there cast iron is produced in the UK. This is to my knowledge anyways. Make what ye want of it.
    AckwelFoley wrote: »
    Fozz10.

    A few facts.

    Waterford Stanley in my view are the market leaders. . Great stove top quality.

    However, they do not make their stoves in their entirety in Waterford. They have been outsourcing elements of production in china for some time now. They may assemble stoves in Waterford but they do outsorce components.

    This isn't a reason to think less od their products, absolutely no doubt the highest quality remains.

    http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/printer_1000article_10009377.shtml


  • #2645
    fozz10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭fozz10


    Anyways I'm not gonna get into an argument with someone over this but when u read some of the stuff on these forums that ain't true I might as well share what I know whether it can be proved or not. The last guy i Had this discussion with was telling me this and that about them too and that almost all of there stoves are imported boxed from China! Again it was lies. He was banned from what looks like tryin to Advertise his own stove business! Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looked like! I'm sure the Chinese iron is fine I don't know much about it but who's to Say it's much different anyway.


  • #2646
    dugger
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭dugger


    I'm afraid to tell you but the only work that is done in Stanley is the enamelling, and assembly of enamels stoves and this will only be done for a little bit longer as they are already looking at bringing this in from china in the future, This is not Waterford Stanley's fault as they would never of dreamed of doing this before but since they were taken over by AGA/Rangemaster this decision is now made in the UK and they feel the brand is that strong that no matter where there made it won't effect there place in the market, All matt black stoves that are bought now and shipped into Ireland complete from countries chez rep, Poland and china, and the first person to open the box in Ireland is the customer, if an enamelled stove is ordered then they disassemble the matt, enamel it and put it back together, This is fact and if you want proof then just check the ash pan compartment in any display model in any store and you will see the silica gel pouches still in them from being imported, Stanley Waterford will only be a warehouse in 5 years time you heard it first here


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  • #2647
    fozz10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭fozz10


    dugger wrote: »
    I'm afraid to tell you but the only work that is done in Stanley is the enamelling, and assembly of enamels stoves and this will only be done for a little bit longer as they are already looking at bringing this in from china in the future, This is not Waterford Stanley's fault as they would never of dreamed of doing this before but since they were taken over by AGA/Rangemaster this decision is now made in the UK and they feel the brand is that strong that no matter where there made it won't effect there place in the market, All matt black stoves that are bought now and shipped into Ireland complete from countries chez rep, Poland and china, and the first person to open the box in Ireland is the customer, if an enamelled stove is ordered then they disassemble the matt, enamel it and put it back together, This is fact and if you want proof then just check the ash pan compartment in any display model in any store and you will see the silica gel pouches still in them from being imported, Stanley Waterford will only be a warehouse in 5 years time you heard it first here

    I give up. Why bother. I must inform my brother he needs to see someone as he's imagining his daily job. I've got a Matt boiler Tara made there. He was tellin me how there assembled ,about a week ago when we were talkin about my stove. Again I must of imagined that too. It's probably a crazy thought to think the pouches are put in here in Waterford as some will be sent all around the country or maybe further. Anyways I'm out. I thought I'd share what I know. Hope it helps.


  • #2648
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Enough of this.
    Any more of this petty arguing and I'm closing this thread.
    And guys are looking for a dedicated Stoves forum?


  • #2649
    fozz10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭fozz10


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Enough of this.
    Any more of this petty arguing and I'm closing this thread.
    And guys are looking for a dedicated Stoves forum?

    Yep enough is right. Cheers.


  • #2650
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    KoolKid wrote: »
    .
    And guys are looking for a dedicated Stoves forum?

    Sounds like a good idea.


  • #2651
    SportyDaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭SportyDaddy


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    Sounds good do u mind me asking how much you paid for it. Looking for something along the same line.
    The Morgan model sounds great. Are those 10 single rads or is there some doubles? Do you find you need to turn on a rad in the room? Great to hear that you are using wood as thats all i want to burn in my stove... I hate coal... A dirty fuel! Whenever i actually get one that is! Still can't decide which one to go for Esse 350GS, Stratford 16 ebi or maybe even this Morgan model!


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