"no Irish " ad in Oz

In fairness I've never seen any ADs for Ghost parties in Ireland

Xavi, i have to say im pretty shocked at your attitude of thinking that allowing this sort of intolerance is okay.

In fact im more than shocked, As an Australian born citizen i am sure you are fully aware of the intolerant attitude such as that displayed by the the owner of the original advert is in huge part contributory to the state of the aboriginal population in Australia today.

Having personally frequented various 'state sponsored' and national gallery exhibitions on both coasts of Australia in relation to the Aboriginal history both ancient and current / modern, it is with complete disdain that i view your attitude.

Its more than sickening to believe that someone can single out a whole nation /race of people and deride them publicy as has been done here by the original advert. And the fact that you think this is acceptable in modern society just because this plank pays tax bills and runs a business.

You should be ashamed to be a moderator of an australian forum with that attitude.


ITS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE

AND

ITS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/advert-that-says-no-irish-need-apply-for-bricklayer-job-in-australia-sparks-outrage-3047010.html

sunflower27 wrote: »

Thousands of Irish people have gone to Australia and secured work. We are talking about one guy here and this thread has progressed to treatment of Aboriginals - something I personally find deplorable.

Look back on any nation's history and you will see shocking and unfair statistics. Australia is no different, nor is Ireland. It happened and can't be changed, but it doesn't mean that most people agree and support the actions of their governments.

What this guy did was 100% wrong and I am not denying that - how could I?, but put it in perspective.

I am sure there have been similar incidents here (although possibly not brought to the attention of the media) and it obviously doesn't represent the thoughts of the majority of the Irish population.

It is unfortunate that racism exists in every country.

It does indeed my reference to the treatment of the aboriginal people was mentioned as that as is indicitive of the attitude which led to discrimination of those people.

Xavi's attitude also reminds me of the attitude which led to the mistreatment of those people. I dont think all of austrailia is racist but I think we need to cut down this attitude whenever and wherever we find it.

ash23 wrote: »

Why would they not hire an Irish person because they're Irish? Bigotry doesn't make sense so therefore might very well hire an Irish person and then fire them because of an intolerance they developed to Irish people.

I thought the analogy through but you didn't answer the question. Would you be as willing to shrug it off and say it was their call if it happened to you?

The analogy makes absolutely no sense. You would not be hired as a nationality then fired because of it.

dlofnep wrote: »

You supported his right (which doesn't actually exist) to discriminate if he desires, because it is his business. Therefore, you support prejudice.

I didn't support it, I said I understand why he did it for his business.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Can I get a yes or a no then.

It can't be put much clearer than "Not getting uptight about something doesn't mean you support it" but I'll give you three options which might help you further -

1. No I'm not a supporter of racism; I understand, having lived here for so long, why someone would say 'No Irish' however.

2. Yes I'm a massive racist and I recently started supporting Liverpool.

3. I'm trolling because it's 10 o'clock at night and I've nothing better to do.

listermint wrote: »

Xavi, i have to say im pretty shocked at your attitude of thinking that allowing this sort of intolerance is okay.

In fact im more than shocked, As an Australian born citizen i am sure you are fully aware of the intolerant attitude such as that displayed by the the owner of the original advert is in huge part contributory to the state of the aboriginal population in Australia today.

Having personally frequented various 'state sponsored' and national gallery exhibitions on both coasts of Australia in relation to the Aboriginal history both ancient and current / modern, it is with complete disdain that i view your attitude.

Its more than sickening to believe that someone can single out a whole nation /race of people and deride them publicy as has been done here by the original advert. And the fact that you think this is acceptable in modern society just because this plank pays tax bills and runs a business.

You should be ashamed to be a moderator of an australian forum with that attitude.


ITS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE

AND

ITS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Your outrage is admirable. However, I've not supported his actions. I said I can understand why he would do it based on the possibility of negative experiences.

If you and others can't see the fundamental difference then that's your problem.

Come say hi in the Aussie Rules forum sometime, we welcome everyone.

Xavi6 wrote: »

Your outrage is admirable. However, I've not supported his actions or anything of a racist nature. I said I can understand why he would do it based on the possibility of negative experiences.

If you and others can't see the fundamental difference then that's your problem.

Come say hi in the Aussie Rules forum sometime, we welcome everyone.

And here is the fundamental problem, You should never be able to 'understand' why someone would single out an entire nation for ridicule.

Its not acceptable Xavi today or ever, its just not. Understanding his attitude is par of the course for wider acceptance of it. Which is the reason why there is laws in place that make this sort of public declaration illegal in the first place.

This lads attitude needs to be stamped out totally from the get go. not 'understood' as you put it. And backing up the 'understanding' with examples is worse.

I suggest you stop while you arent ahead.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Ruby
Why is it so hard to get a straight answer out of you. You came into the thread to defend a racist, now you won't say clearly whether or not you support racism.

That would raise anyone's eyebrow my friend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavi6
1. No I'm not a support of racism; I understand, having lived here for so long, why someone would say 'No Irish'.

2. Yes I'm a massive racist and I recently started supporting Liverpool.

3. I'm trolling because it's 10 o'clock at night and I've nothing better to do.
?

conflict in terms!!!

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get a straight answer out of you. You came into the thread to defend a racist, now you won't say clearly whether or not you support racism.

That would raise anyone's eyebrow my friend.

Look, I gave you a straight answer twice - understanding does not mean supporting.

listermint wrote: »

And here is the fundamental problem, You should never be able to 'understand' why someone would single out an entire nation for ridicule.

Its not acceptable Xavi today or ever, its just not. Understanding his attitude is par of the course for wider acceptance of it. Which is the reason why there is laws in place that make this sort of public declaration illegal in the first place.

This lads attitude needs to be stamped out totally from the get go. not 'understood' as you put it. And backing up the 'understanding' with examples is worse.

I suggest you stop while you arent ahead.

I can understand abortion, doesn't mean I support it. I can understand why this guy would say 'No Irish' if he's had bad experiences.

It's basic human rationale to dismiss things you've had a bad experience with, whether it's people, products or services.

Putting yourself in someone else's shoes for a second to understand them is a far more open minded attitude then getting out the pitch forks asap.

listermint wrote: »

He is making excuses for it. Actual excuses for it.

Its tantamount to accepting it as a reasonable attitude..

Your move.

I believe you are meant to say "your move" after you post a decent argument. Let me know when that happens.

Xavi6 wrote: »

Look, I gave you a straight answer twice - understanding does not mean supporting.



I can understand abortion, doesn't mean I support it. I can understand why this guy would say 'No Irish' if he's had bad experiences.

It's basic human rationale to dismiss things you've had a bad experience with, whether it's people, products or services.

Putting yourself in someone else's shoes for a second to understand them is a far more open minded attitude then getting out the pitch forks asap.

No Xavi, im sorry you are wrong.

There are certain things in life you dont make excuses for, and i believe you also said somewhere in your myriad of posts that it was his business he can do what he wants.

So you need to re-examine yourself mate.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Explain this one to me:

I understand, having lived here for so long, why someone would say 'No Blacks'.

Is there any reasonable context in which the above comment might be made, because I can't come up with one.

Yes, he got stung by several people that match descriptions based on ethnicity in a row.

While it may not always be true, it is certainly understandable.