Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

stevenf17 · 01-03-2012 9:12pm

mobil 222 wrote: »

For people living about 7km from an exchange and are on less than 2megs is there not a case that when FTTC is introduced that they might get greater than 2.
What i mean is that- say you are fed on a cable direct from the exchange at the moment ie your residence is about 7 km away with NGB on your line.
In the new new setup Eircom decide to locate a cabinet about 4 km away
from the exchange which leaves your house 3 km away.

Question . Can you apply for an upgrade using the new tecknology.

For people look for big speed increases from FTTC its not really going to benefit people that live over a km away from a cabinet.
You'll see in this graph that after about a km the VDSL (which is used by FTTC) is actually slower than ADSL2+ which eircom are currently using for there NGB.

If they've got an area where theres lots of people that live far away from a cabinet they prob won't bother upgrade it to VDSL to get the 50Mb speeds.
They might still run fibre to the cabinets though, and leave the ADSL/ADSL2+ to improve the speeds of whoever is connected to that cabinet. That will be years down the line though if they ever get around to it!

lucernarian · 01-03-2012 9:32pm

Some of those numbers are simply wrong. At longer distances, there should be no difference between ADSL2 (G.992.3 Annex A) and ADSL2+ (G.992.5 Annex A) in speeds obtained.

They use the same modulation but ADSL2+ had twice the frequency range so at shorter distances, it could use that alongside the existing ADSL2/ADSL1 range. Lines over 4km couldn't use tones over 1.1MHz anyway so there cannot be a difference in speed over those lines between ADSL2 and ADSL2+.

stevenf17 · 01-03-2012 9:57pm

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Some of those numbers are simply wrong. At longer distances, there should be no difference between ADSL2 (G.992.3 Annex A) and ADSL2+ (G.992.5 Annex A) in speeds obtained.

They use the same modulation but ADSL2+ had twice the frequency range so at shorter distances, it could use that alongside the existing ADSL2/ADSL1 range. Lines over 4km couldn't use tones over 1.1MHz anyway so there cannot be a difference in speed over lines 3 km or so long, between ADSL2 and ADSL2+

Yeah they should really fizzle out into the one line, but couldn't find a more detailed graph.
The VDSL stats are appox right though, yeah?

pic source http://boundlesscomms.com/fibre-wireless-confirmed-rural-broadband-solution-for-lancashire.html

jimmad · 02-03-2012 1:53am

I spoke to the guys laying the cable today and asked where the cabinet was going to be located, He said it was going to be put further on up the road from where the white cabinet is already located, I also asked when it would be going live he said it would be at least another month, can take that information for what it's worth.

iMuse · 02-03-2012 2:01am

jimmad wrote: »

I spoke to the guys laying the cable today and asked where the cabinet was going to be located, He said it was going to be put further on up the road from where the white cabinet is already located, I also asked when it would be going live he said it would be at least another month, can take that information for what it's worth.

Do you mean further up the road as in the tara court direction or arena 7 direction? There a cabinet at the entrance to glebe view aswell which would be about 800m up the road from that white box but that would leave people down the thorn road fairly far from the cabinet.

Sponge Bob · 02-03-2012 9:04am

MrO wrote: »

To build a new exchange?

I'm not so sure - seems quite low to me.

You forget that there will be no new exchanges, there will only be cabinets on the roadside in future and eircom won't be paying for land.

The era of the exchange as a building is over, from now it is the exchange in a box close to the home or business.

MrO · 02-03-2012 10:23am

Yes very unlikely, the space requirements are no longer there. Most of Eircoms switch and transmission rooms are empty space now - I suppose a basic double bay roadside cabinet ~ 5-7k minus a rectifier batteries, active kit, cabling etc.

Also, the civils - plinth work, ducting etc.

But if you move into the 5 or 10m cabin space you could be up at the 50/60k mark quite quick I think (without any kit).

Sponge Bob · 02-03-2012 11:20am

MrO wrote: »

But if you move into the 5 or 10m cabin space you could be up at the 50/60k mark quite quick I think (without any kit).

On a decent sized order....such as the one eircom allegedly gave Huawei late last year ...it could go as low as €20k-30k per unit for 100 line capacity. That is all in with VDSL gear, factory built and trucked onsite.

Site acquisition and fibre backhaul are extra.

Perhaps if the cabinet is large, serving 200-300 lines and must also house other operators gear for Sub Loop unbundling it could go as high as €50k per unit (and looks kinda like this specimen from another country)

cabinet%20open%20main430.jpg

MrO · 02-03-2012 11:58am

Yes maybe on a decent sized order.

That's another point about choosing FTTC over FTTH - in a lot of ways it seems the O&M and equipment costs required to have electronics deeper in the network work against the short term savings of avoiding running fibre all the way...

I would imagine that in a full FTTH (GPON) deployment that spot (serving a couple of hundred customers) would still need a bit space but not as much - only housing passive kit, splitters, and a high density ODF.

Sponge Bob · 02-03-2012 12:14pm

MrO wrote: »

I would imagine that in a full FTTH (GPON) deployment that spot (serving a couple of hundred customers) would still need a bit space but not as much - only housing passive kit, splitters, and a high density ODF.

True. GPON will do 10km from a cabinet where VDSL will do only 1km at best.

No power and aircon required in the GPON cabinet either, only where the OLT is housed.

jimmad · 02-03-2012 1:05pm

Today 01:01
iMuse
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmad
I spoke to the guys laying the cable today and asked where the cabinet was going to be located, He said it was going to be put further on up the road from where the white cabinet is already located, I also asked when it would be going live he said it would be at least another month, can take that information for what it's worth.
Do you mean further up the road as in the tara court direction or arena 7 direction? There a cabinet at the entrance to glebe view aswell which would be about 800m up the road from that white box but that would leave people down the thorn road fairly far from the cabinet.

Yes further out of the town towards tara court.

GIMickey · 02-03-2012 1:22pm

I was talking with the Eircom tech yesterday at the manorview cabinet, he give an estimated date for the complete install. The end of May for letterkkenny. Of course this is eircom talking but still they are working on it now loads. i saw them yesterday working on 5 of the cabinets, so this looks serious.

iMuse · 02-03-2012 1:37pm

GIMickey wrote: »

I was talking with the Eircom tech yesterday at the manorview cabinet, he give an estimated date for the complete install. The end of May for letterkkenny. Of course this is eircom talking but still they are working on it now loads. i saw them yesterday working on 5 of the cabinets, so this looks serious.

Yeah they seem to have a couple of teams at it, they where laying cable near the old unifi site earlier in the week. End of may sounds good, too bad I'm in a contract till september or so

lucernarian · 02-03-2012 1:38pm

Will Smart/Digiweb take part in sub loop unbundling? I think in all the areas in the first phase rollout, they have unbundled exchanges.

Solair · 02-03-2012 1:44pm

MrO wrote: »

Yes very unlikely, the space requirements are no longer there. Most of Eircoms switch and transmission rooms are empty space now - I suppose a basic double bay roadside cabinet ~ 5-7k minus a rectifier batteries, active kit, cabling etc.

Also, the civils - plinth work, ducting etc.

But if you move into the 5 or 10m cabin space you could be up at the 50/60k mark quite quick I think (without any kit).

Most of eircom's exchange buildings have been largely empty space since the 80s/90s when things went digital.

The old Ericsson Crossbar gear resembled something you'd see on a 1960s sci-fi movie, or the Bat Cave computer. Racks and racks and racks of clicking relays, flashing lights and moving components! And that was the modern, slightly computerised 1960s/70s stuff! There was older equipment again in use until the 80s in some areas that basically consisted of series of arms that moved to connect contacts as you dialed a number.

One exchange for about <10,000 lines would have easily occupied an entire floor of a large building. Bigger systems occupied several floors!

Modern stuff is tiny in comparison. Even 1980s-era digital switches are more like a few filing cabinets / racks of modules. Looks pretty much like a small data centre. Or what you'd find in a typical server / rack room room in a large company.

What still occupies a lot of space in urban exchanges is distribution frames. These are literally racks where lines are connected to the DSL and voice gear. Each line still ends up being individually connected at an exchange.

With fiber-to-kerb or fibre to home, that's all pushed out to cabinets on the street and the 'exchange' ends up just being a big router that connects it all together.

UPC already have similar infrastructure in place in most of Ireland's main urban centres and you'd hardly notice it. The only difference to what eircom are rolling out is the last bit of the connection on UPC's network is done using a coax distribution network. Eircom, are likely to continue to use phone lines going to the box on the street and ultimately swap those for fibre.

The only concern I have with fibre-to-kerb is that the street-side equipment needs to be heavily secured. I wouldn't like to see regular outages due to vandalism / cars reversing into boxes. (this happens a lot in France in my experience of Numericable, their version of UPC)

MrO · 02-03-2012 3:27pm

Solair wrote: »

One exchange for about <10,000 lines would have easily occupied an entire floor of a large building. Bigger systems occupied several floors!

Modern stuff is tiny in comparison. Even 1980s-era digital switches are more like a few filing cabinets / racks of modules. Looks pretty much like a small data centre. Or what you'd find in a typical server / rack room room in a large company.

True - when I started in Telecoms in the late 90's - even the digital switch gear seemed enormous to me but the newer ones (ericsson 501s etc.) were tiny in comparison. You could've had a game of football in some of the older exchange buildings...Adelaide Road etc.

You're right - security is always going to be an issue for cabinets - but there seems to be quite a few flavours of ruggedised cabs available now, with anti-graffitti finishes and the like.

But I guess you need to put it in the context of having a proper fibre access network - worth it I think even with a higher localised fault rate.

Recently I've even seen FTTH facade solutions - i.e. stringing from house to house. If the will is there - it can be done!

Solair · 02-03-2012 8:55pm

MrO wrote: »

Recently I've even seen FTTH facade solutions - i.e. stringing from house to house. If the will is there - it can be done!

Stringing it house to house is exactly what UPC do in a lot of older areas.

Liamario · 02-03-2012 8:58pm

Solair wrote: »

Stringing it house to house is exactly what UPC do in a lot of older areas.

Only semi successfully though. A lot of my neighbours for example have effectively prevented other residents from availing of UPC due to not allowing over hanging cables.

Salvation · 02-03-2012 11:11pm

Its amazing Dundalk being the biggest provincial town in Ireland and not even a hint of this rollout here as yet.

But letterkenny gets preference over a major town, doesnt make an ounce of sense.

Then again it is Eircon

NewHillel · 03-03-2012 12:44am

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Will Smart/Digiweb take part in sub loop unbundling? I think in all the areas in the first phase rollout, they have unbundled exchanges.

That's a very interesting question.

Time will tell - the position of the various parties is covered in this document.

Solair · 03-03-2012 2:08am

I suppose it would depend on whether it makes economic sense to do it or, if it would just make more sense to use eircom's local access fibre infrastructure and backhaul it onto their own network at the local unbundled node where they already have fibre access.

arctan · 03-03-2012 9:34am

lots of room in the cabs for FTTC for unbundling, all they have to do is fit their own DSLAM in the cab

arctan · 03-03-2012 9:42am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

On a decent sized order....such as the one eircom allegedly gave Huawei late last year ...it could go as low as €20k-30k per unit for 100 line capacity. That is all in with VDSL gear, factory built and trucked onsite.

Site acquisition and fibre backhaul are extra.

Perhaps if the cabinet is large, serving 200-300 lines and must also house other operators gear for Sub Loop unbundling it could go as high as €50k per unit (and looks kinda like this specimen from another country)

that cab looks a bit more like a pop site exchange .... still FTTC I suppose

edit: actually, looking at it again, maybe because its just very populated that's why im getting the impression its bigger lol

all the eircom cabs have to be under 3 cubic meters to get away without getting planning permission, so no site aquisition needed (some sort of service provision clause in planning permission, along with them replacing existing cabs), not too sure on the prices for the cabs, they picked Huawei as the vendor, but there are some Alcatel Lucent boxes about as they had a competition for the contract

NewHillel · 03-03-2012 9:55am

Solair wrote: »

I suppose it would depend on whether it makes economic sense to do it or, if it would just make more sense to use eircom's local access fibre infrastructure and backhaul it onto their own network at the local unbundled node where they already have fibre access.

That's exactly it, IMO active sub-loop unbundling is the better option, given the demographics.

Sponge Bob · 03-03-2012 2:41pm

NewHillel wrote: »

That's exactly it, IMO active sub-loop unbundling is the better option, given the demographics.

Sub loop unbundling and fast VDSL is almost impossible to do. This is because one device needs to carry out the spectrum management ( stop the VDSL lines from interfering with each other in real time) and eircom will own that device.

While theoretically you can have a number of DSLAMs in a cab they all come under one DSM device.

If the DSM 'broker' device were hived out to a third party to manage it could be done perhaps. This would mean eircom wholesale own the DSM and eircom retail and the other ISPs have to put their own DSLAMs in there under its overall control.

Good point about the planning permission Arctan. It is time we revisited that issue I think....increasing the cubic sq meterage that is exempt.

bealtine · 03-03-2012 2:46pm

NewHillel wrote: »

That's exactly it, IMO active sub-loop unbundling is the better option, given the demographics.

SLU is not ever going to happen certainly in Ireland anyway. ADSL and VDSL in the same binder cause too much crosstalk so only one operator is required to operate the vectoring technology that cancels the crosstalk. So one operator controls the binder and other operators just have to use bitstream type access

Sponge Bob · 03-03-2012 3:06pm

Huawei ( recently) claim to have developed a device that will 'instruct' multiple VDSL capable DSLAMs to co exist. They call it 'Node Level Vectoring' but that is a marketing term.

http://dslprime.com/dslprime/42-d/4650-node-scale-breaks-through-at-huawei

The industry standard is G.Vector which is also known as DSM Level 3 There can be ONE G.Vector controller per site, cab or building.

However as i said for this deployment model to work all the DSLAMs in a cab or a building need to be fully G.Vector compliant and all need to work with the 'master' on that site.

This inevitably means that eircom wholesale only own the cab and G.Vector master ( and the copper/fibre/power ) but that every ISP must own its own G.Vector compliant DSLAM...eg eircom Retail and Vodafone and Digiweb for example inside the one cab. In effect every DSLAM should be unbundled on the Vector plane...or nobody is.

http://www2.alcatel-lucent.com/blogs/techzine/2011/boosting-vdsl2-bit-rates-with-vectoring/

Because sophisticated noise cancellation is Central Processing Unit (CPU)-intensive, vectoring works best for the smaller number of lines (few hundred) typically found in Fiber to the x (FTTx) deployments — and where measurements are available from all lines. This means that the lines all need to be under full control of a single service provider for optimal performance gains.

Currently the eircom Wholesale DSLAM also manages the copper interference issue at system level but not in co operation with another DSLAM. This model means sub loop unbundling is impossible in practice. Way it is.

Further reading here

Psygnosis · 03-03-2012 5:41pm

I wonder if anyone has any inside knwoledge of what cabinets exchanges are going to be enabled. The reason why I started this thread is because Im in Rush in No,CoDublin and the exchange is not in an arses roar of any big housing estates so essentially the max speed you get in Rush around 3mb because of distance. The fibre link that came in with the interconnector is very near by.

Solair · 03-03-2012 6:29pm

Psygnosis wrote: »

I wonder if anyone has any inside knwoledge of what cabinets exchanges are going to be enabled. The reason why I started this thread is because Im in Rush in No,CoDublin and the exchange is not in an arses roar of any big housing estates so essentially the max speed you get in Rush around 3mb because of distance. The fibre link that came in with the interconnector is very near by.

I think this technology will solve what is quite a significant problem for people who live in houses in areas that basically didn't have proper telecommunications infrastructure put in by eircom in the 1990s / 2000s.

There was a lot of housing developed in what are basically outlying rural areas around Dublin (and also Cork) and a few other places which were just connected to a relatively far away exchange using traditional copper lines.

The result of this was really poor DSL service as they're just too far from the DSLAM in the local exchange.

FTTC will ultimately mean that they can install all that gear in a single housing estate and just replace the long run of copper lines with a single fibre.

So, it should mean that a lot of those outer commuter belt type places, and also some small villages, will suddenly have access to decent broadband for once!

Sponge Bob · 03-03-2012 6:50pm

stevenf17 wrote: »

Found this presentation on NGN site
http://www.nextgenerationnetwork.ie/downloads/rollout_programme_overview/nga_rollout_presentation.ppt

Slide 13 shows where there thinking of rolling out FTTC to!

Is Rush shown on slide 13 ??? It is a top 100 exchange by Paths Served (lines) so probably yes. However unlike the similar sized Balbriggan and Ashbourne there is no UPC that I know of so perhaps not.

lucernarian · 03-03-2012 9:54pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Is Rush shown on slide 13 ??? It is a top 100 exchange by Paths Served (lines) so probably yes. However unlike the similar sized Balbriggan and Ashbourne there is no UPC that I know of so perhaps not.

Most of Balbriggan doesn't have UPC. In the case of Rush, it was in range of Kilkeel so UPC never came there (same as Drogheda, Bettystown and Laytown)

10belowzero · 04-03-2012 12:09pm

Rush + Lusk were originally to be the first area to be used for the fibre trial - 4/5 year's back , a whole new duct was cut in and ran from the exch to Lusk .
However the very same week , that duct was completed , a new duct was put in on the opposite side of the road to accommodate a M.A.N'S fibre for the N.B.S , at which point Eircom immediately shelved the plan for the trial ,the new duct to Rush was never laid .
UPC have recently installed a new network in some estates in Lusk , but not in Rush ,although some area's of Rush are cabled for UPC , since the day's of Cablelink , I don't think they have ever been used.
On planning , permission is required for everything , even for routine cab replacement or road opening etc.
Wayleave's for a new pole can take as much as 20 day's to a month , a road crossing or opening licence can take even longer , depending on the council etc.
I have seen area's left with no service , due to the time needed to get the road licence to open road's to repair or replace damaged or blocked duct's.
How ever on the like's of a roll out , all this can be arranged in advance between the various planner's , as it is in everybody's interest to keep road and pedestrian traffic disturbance to a minimum.
The fibre roll out in Sword's is really in full swing now , with Donabate and Portrane not far behind.

lucernarian · 04-03-2012 1:25pm

What? The Metropolitan Area Networks have nothing to do with the National Broadband Scheme.

Where are you getting your info on Rush and Lusk being the start of some fibre trial from? I'd say the main cause of eircom stopping work would have been from the lack of cash and their asset-stripping owners. From the outset eircom refused to use MAN fibre or ducting too.

Sponge Bob · 04-03-2012 1:34pm

Essential services like eircom and UPC should be able to fire one single package of cabs/ducts etc into a given local authority for approval by Water and Roads engineers ( not full planning permission) ....I would accept individual planning applications for individual masts is required.

Otherwise you get this sort of borderline farcical situation.

UPC are enabling their stranded fragments such as Balbriggan and Stamullen nowadays (I assume Lusk and Monasterevin are on the list to be done some time) but generally capped at 25mbits owing to lack of backhaul capability.

Solair · 04-03-2012 2:27pm

I find it absolutely insane that we didn't mandate that a neutral duct network be laid in every new housing development during the building boom.

All you need is a network of adequately large ducts and a site to place cabinets, with an ESB power hook up.

That way operators like eircom, UPC or anyone else can site equipment and reach houses without digging up streets or without major costs or disruption.

I also see no particular reason why UPC or others cannot use eircom (or even ESB) distribution poles in areas that still have an overhead network.

Also, in many urban areas, there are still overhead drops to houses. I can't see why a fibre couldn't simply run up a pole and overhead to a house. It's done in the US all the time..

FiOS connections are often just clipped to overhead phone lines from the nearest utility pole!

10belowzero · 04-03-2012 2:45pm

http://www.e-net.ie/selected-map.html , the whole Lusk area had billboard's put up at the time by Eircom announcing the plan.
The M.A.N's + N.B.S are 2 side's of the one coin , both funded by government money .
Why would Eircom use M.A.N's fibre or duct's when they all ready had their own plant in situ.
Anyhoo it's probably just as well considering how much the technology has changed in the interim.

Sponge Bob · 04-03-2012 7:27pm

Well hang on a sec. eircom used to get government money for ducting/fibre exercises on an intraregional scale (exchange to exchange festoons) until they handed back a tranche of cash c.2001 and walked away.

The MAN program was conceived and executed thereafter.....ie while the O'Reilly and Soros era eircom were asset stripping and not investing. eircom did come up with a genius plan to take 'up to' €500m of public money in 2008 or so. The genius plan started with softening up the yokels in Tullamore ( Tullamore is surprisingly off the list now

)

http://www.offalyindependent.ie/news/aroundthecounty/articles/2008/04/18/26871-eircom-unveils-plans-for-europes-fastest-broadband-in-tullamore/

Eircom unveils plans for Europes fastest broadband in Tullamore

Eircom has unveiled ambitious plans for extending its new fibre-optic cable broadband service to Tullamore as part of a new system which they say will provide state of the art internet services for all nine 'Gateway Towns' designated by the Government for accelerated development.

Athlone, Tullamore and Mullingar have been included as part of Eircom?s plans to provide 50 - 55% of the Irish population with broadband which they say will be as fast - if not faster - than anywhere else in Europe.

They were ignored. However they have improved the separation of Wholesale and Retail since 2008 and perhaps should no longer be ignored. Rabbittes long overdue 'task force' report may have some pointers.

Back to 2008

As part of a 41-page submission to the Government, the company emphasised that it can provide half the population with internet speeds of up to 25 mps (megabits per second) within 7 years should their plans be approved.

They largely did it from their own resources in the 4 years since, calling it NGB. That was because they had to....and they knew they would have to 4 years ago seeing as Docsis 3 was ratified in December 2007 by the ITU.

stevenf17 · 04-03-2012 7:39pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Is Rush shown on slide 13 ??? It is a top 100 exchange by Paths Served (lines) so probably yes. However unlike the similar sized Balbriggan and Ashbourne there is no UPC that I know of so perhaps not.

From what i can see Rush is on it!
Have a look yourself!

Sponge Bob · 04-03-2012 8:10pm

Yes. You can see the exchange boundaries more clearly here ( in Orange) and can click on them to see which exchanges they are. Give it 20 secs to load.

TechnoFreek · 04-03-2012 9:43pm

Arklow figure in Eircom's plans? Speeds are criminally slow here, 2mb tops, many housing estates are a couple ok kilometres from the exchange.

NewHillel · 05-03-2012 12:04am

bealtine wrote: »

SLU is not ever going to happen certainly in Ireland anyway. ADSL and VDSL in the same binder cause too much crosstalk so only one operator is required to operate the vectoring technology that cancels the crosstalk. So one operator controls the binder and other operators just have to use bitstream type access

That certainly is one view.

It would appear that Vectoring offers great potential. There are obstacles, as all DSL equipment has to be compliant. At the moment, all equipment also has to be under common control. It remains to be seen how it pans out.

mobil 222 · 06-03-2012 10:48pm

would depend on the duct lay-out whether its old or new .i think most of the duct in Letterkenny is new

PseudoFamous · 06-03-2012 11:07pm

TechnoFreek wrote: »

Arklow figure in Eircom's plans? Speeds are criminally slow here, 2mb tops, many housing estates are a couple ok kilometres from the exchange.

This, this, this, a hundred times. I *think* I'm about 1km from my estate's exchange (which oddly isn't the nearest one), but my neighbour is managing about 4mb/s during the depths of night, when his broadband is fastest due to no congestion. Despite this, about 100m across from me, in a newer estate (still ~10 years old), which is equidistant from the nearest cabinet, another friend has consistently above 10mb/s. Both are on the 24mb plan, and I'd get signed to it if there was any chance I'd get even half the advertised speed.

nickhilliard · 10-03-2012 12:01am

daffy_duc wrote: »

Yep, Eircom FTTH wholesaled by Magnet.
To keep things fair, pings to INEX on each differ by around 8ms. With the FTTH being highest at about 11ms.

daffy, if you're pinging inex, please use the current beacon address. You can get the address from RIPE whois in the "pingable" attribute for "route: 193.242.111.0/24" (currently 193.242.111.6). Pings to ns.inex.ie currently go through through equipment which may introduce significant latency.

-nick

daffy_duc · 10-03-2012 12:15am

nickhilliard wrote: »

daffy, if you're pinging inex, please use the current beacon address. You can get the address from RIPE whois in the "pingable" attribute for "route: 193.242.111.0/24" (currently 193.242.111.6). Pings to ns.inex.ie currently go through through equipment which may introduce significant latency.

-nick

Thanks Nick.

For completeness, here are my results.

IBB VL:
--- 193.242.111.6 ping statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99153ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.589/2.142/4.063/0.492 ms

Magnet FTTH (wholesale Eircom):
--- 193.242.111.6 ping statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99169ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.231/3.676/7.302/0.404 ms

So, on average, my wireless link has about a third lower latency.

Moral of that story, don't write off wireless competely, it has its applications.

Speed, Low latency, mobility. Pick any 2.

Gonzo · 11-03-2012 12:58pm

practically all towns and large villages in meath are due an upgrade to fibre except Dunshaughlin, typical:(

Psygnosis · 14-03-2012 11:01pm

Any one got the dates for the roll out schedule and exchanges.

bealtine · 14-03-2012 11:35pm

Psygnosis wrote: »

Any one got the dates for the roll out schedule and exchanges.

Still only at the "possible" stage really but they are working on it slowly (exceedingly fast for eircom though)

arctan · 15-03-2012 12:33am

10 previously mentioned are being worked on at the moment, all due to be finished by mid July ...

45 in the advanced planning stage, so work on them should start on them when gangs are finished in their areas, although could be sooner, as NGA teams are still being put together

as for the other 45 ... havent a clue where they are, but I can only presume they'll ones mentioned in that top 100 list spongebob had up somewhere

Praetorian · 15-03-2012 5:12pm

arctan wrote: »

10 previously mentioned are being worked on at the moment, all due to be finished by mid July ...

45 in the advanced planning stage, so work on them should start on them when gangs are finished in their areas, although could be sooner, as NGA teams are still being put together

as for the other 45 ... havent a clue where they are, but I can only presume they'll ones mentioned in that top 100 list spongebob had up somewhere

Anyone got a list of the 10, and the second 45?

Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

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