Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Professey Chin · 25-09-2011 7:01pm

In fairness to Jason he has been involved with hurling before. Plus he's a great manager & trainer in general. Leave the dedicated hurling drills & training to a coach(like McGarry) and he can look after the rest

The blue blaa · 25-09-2011 7:08pm

deisedude wrote: »

The other leading contender Michael Ryan has more football pedigree than hurling too. Sean Boylan was a hurling man but he lead Meath to All Irelands in football so its not unheard of for someone to be succesful in the other code

Michael Ryan was a selector under justin,he cut his teeth in club hurling and was very un-lucky not to get an all-ireland club with DLS but Jason Ryan has not done any of these so i cant see how he can be benefit to us as a manager.. I wouldnt rule him out as part of a backroom set up but would he really want to leave Wexford to be a selector for Waterford i dont think he would. i just feel he's not done anything in term's of hurling

cascade12 · 25-09-2011 8:38pm

deisedude wrote: »

The other leading contender Michael Ryan has more football pedigree than hurling too. Sean Boylan was a hurling man but he lead Meath to All Irelands in football so its not unheard of for someone to be succesful in the other code

I was under that impression too, but at a recent FMW game I was in a conversation with someone who informed me that Michael Ryan has a serious hurling pedigree. His list of achievements include 1 County Senior Hurling Title with De La Salle, 1 Munster Club Title with De La Salle ( Jason Ryans Club ), 1 South Tipp Senior Hurling Title with Mullinahone, 1 Railway Cup Hurling Title with Munster (2007) and 2 County Intermediate Titles with FMW one as player manager. He was also selector with Waterford in 2007 when they won the League and Munster Title. I am open to question on the above, but that is some record, if correct.
When you add Nicky Cashin as a Selector ( I am reliably informed that he is part of M Ryans backroom team ) and his achievements as manager which going on memory and google includes 6 Leinster Colleges Titles with St Kierans, 4 All Ireland Colleges Titles with same, 2 Leinster Minor Titles with Kilkenny, 1 All Ireland Minor Title with Kilkenny ( Michael Rice was Captain) 1 Laois Senior Hurling Title with Castletown, 1 Kilkenny Intermediate Hurling Title with Clara and 1 Waterford Intermediate Hurling Title with Abbeyside. He was also Selector for Waterford when they won Munster in 2004 and 2007 and the League in 2007.
Between the two of them that is some record of success and if they could add a top class Physical Trainer ( Important) and a good coach, I believe that they are by far the best of the contenders for the job. But of course you never know with our County Board.

deisebhoy17 · 25-09-2011 9:10pm

The blue blaa wrote: »

No disrespect to Jason Ryan i know him well, he's a top guy but seriously like what does he know about managing a County hurling team. If he got a hurling club job i'd still raise my eyebrow an i mean that in the nicest possible way, Am i been left behind in these new methods of the GAA but how can a football manager be in contention for a hurling job.. Is it only me or does anyone think the same..

Im with you aswell. Im not convinced at all about this. Yes you'd need a top class hurling coach in with him but why not just go for a man who can do both?

The main thing in Ryans favour is that hes a waterford man, as far as I can see. Hes proven himself as an astute football man but this is no place for gambles and experiments. Were talking about our county senior hurling team, supposedly on of the top 4 teams in the country

hardybuck · 26-09-2011 11:58am

Ryan never managed a football team in DLS even before taking the Wexford job - took Clongeen for a few months, now he is looking like taking the Waterford job without managing a hurling team in DLS even. I have a feeling he'll do fine.

Also, James McGarry is no fool - he's doing pretty well with Shamrocks obviously.

Et Cetera · 26-09-2011 12:34pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Im with you aswell. Im not convinced at all about this. Yes you'd need a top class hurling coach in with him but why not just go for a man who can do both?

The main thing in Ryans favour is that hes a waterford man, as far as I can see. Hes proven himself as an astute football man but this is no place for gambles and experiments. Were talking about our county senior hurling team, supposedly on of the top 4 teams in the country

I suppose he is also an excellent man manager and generally well respected by all media outlets, something which we could do with. But without a serious hurling coach with him, is it too much a gamble? It's hard to see it happening without a really good hurling back room. It's a curious proposition really.

Then again Michael Ryan would need a hurling coach too?

premierstone · 26-09-2011 1:11pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

He's based in Limerick. Assuming that new challenges meant a different GAA team, that would be the more obvious one, given the money behind Limerick too.

There is no guarantee that 'new challenges' would mean this of course. Plenty of sports where his expertise would be useful. Be great if he joined Waterford as trainer, but it is unlikely.

Apparently Cian wants to get involved with an intercounty Football set-up, he didnt really have a hurling background before Tipp and football would be closer to he's heart.

Mountainlad · 26-09-2011 5:16pm

premierstone wrote: »

Apparently Cian wants to get involved with an intercounty Football set-up, he didnt really have a hurling background before Tipp and football would be closer to he's heart.

Is he already involved with Kildare? Heard that today

PTH2009 · 27-09-2011 11:20am

Clinton Hennessy has retired from Intercounty hurling according to WLR.
Waterford goalkeeper Clinton Hennessy has retired from inter-county hurling.

Waterford goalkeeper Clinton Hennessy has retired from inter-county hurling.The Ardmore clubman will continue with his club but work and family commitments mean he will not figure for Waterford next year. He told the Irish Examiner that the time is right to go.He said that he had a lot of commitments and the fact that the new manager will come in soon is another factor. He said he had his mind made up but he didnt want people to think he was calling it a day because of the new manager.

One of the best goalkeeper we ever had, solid all around, cool, calm and collected. We will be missed between the posts for us.

Its time for Adrian Power to step up now.

hardybuck · 27-09-2011 11:38am

If Clinton Hennessey had come home from Boston a few years sooner, Waterford would probably have won an All Ireland. Good luck to him.

Power won't be automatically stepping in - I reckon SOK will be pushing very hard also. At least we have some competition now.

flahavaj · 27-09-2011 1:02pm

Clinton was a great servant and will be sorely missed. He seems to have been underrated by a lot of people due to the more spectacular talents of O' Keefe and Power, but for my money he's still the best in teh county. He's one of those players we'll realise was so good when he's gone. Good luck to him.

blue note · 27-09-2011 1:38pm

hardybuck wrote: »

If Clinton Hennessey had come home from Boston a few years sooner, Waterford would probably have won an All Ireland. Good luck to him.

Ah now.

Best of luck though to Clinton - he was as reliable a keeper as you will find and was exactly what we needed there when he came back. Was able to operate a sweeper role quite a bit as well - not something many keepers are able for.

HillFarmer · 27-09-2011 2:03pm

Any word when the county board will make their decision on this .?

lovelypoint · 27-09-2011 2:43pm

All the best to Clinton in his retirement, if he has decided to hang up his boots. Seems a tad premature, but only Clinton knows whats best, and with Power and O'Keefe waiting in the wings for several years now, perhaps the timing is good for both him and Waterford.

He has been a great servant for Waterford over the years, and having come in at a very difficult time for Waterford, do not think it is unfair to say he was worth several points to us a game. A very consistent and solid keeper, he will be a valuable asset to Ardmore, having more time to devote to his club now.

Mountainlad · 27-09-2011 3:10pm

Sad in a way to hear about Clinton. At 34, and with the potential both O'Keefe and Power posess I do believe he's made the right decision, but he was an excellent keeper in my view, worthy of an all star in 2007, and was very unlucky that some poor defending often led to undue criticism of him (the munster Final this year, the all ireland semi v Limerick). Glad to see the tributes being paid to him and the well wishes and that nobody's having a cut. Thanks Clinton and good luck with the future!

hardybuck · 27-09-2011 3:38pm

blue note wrote: »

Ah now.

Best of luck though to Clinton - he was as reliable a keeper as you will find and was exactly what we needed there when he came back. Was able to operate a sweeper role quite a bit as well - not something many keepers are able for.

Yes. Specifically 2004. Waterford were Munster Champions beating Cork in another classic by a point. We play a rookie keeper in the semi v Kilkenny who lets in a couple of soft goals. Cork win the final.

Left that behind us, Hennessy almost certainly would not have conceded the goals which went in against Kilkenny.

hurler on de ditch · 27-09-2011 4:31pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Yes. Specifically 2004. Waterford were Munster Champions beating Cork in another classic by a point. We play a rookie keeper in the semi v Kilkenny who lets in a couple of soft goals. Cork win the final.

Left that behind us, Hennessy almost certainly would not have conceded the goals which went in against Kilkenny.

the year is getting better first davy and now C,Hennessey our chances are improving all the time

deisebhoy17 · 27-09-2011 6:29pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

the year is getting better first davy and now C,Hennessey our chances are improving all the time

Cheap shot. Although credit due to the fact you posted in a language that resembles english. for a change

KevIRL · 27-09-2011 7:03pm

Best of luck to Eoin and Clinton and thanks for all the years of service to the county. Ye'll be missed lads.

Best of luck too to Davy, I get the feeling that his time with Waterford will serve him well for the future.

deisedude · 27-09-2011 9:14pm

Another of the old guard gone, surely only a matter of time that Tony goes too

mccarthy37 · 28-09-2011 10:34am

Best of luck to Eoin and Clinton thanks for all the great days we had and the bad ones well they weren't that bad. Nial Warren you were one tough corner back on a great Ballygunner team but sadly you could not beat the toughest battle of your life RIP.

flahavaj · 28-09-2011 12:25pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

the year is getting better first davy and now C,Hennessey our chances are improving all the time

Real classy stuff here, but no surprise given the source tbh. No matter how good or bad a player is in your questionable opinion, the sacrifices they make to get to the level Clinton did is desrerving of at least a little respect.

deiseach · 28-09-2011 1:38pm

We've lost a lot of experience in the last week or so. This is the list of Championship appearances made by players who were available to Waterford in 2011 (E&OE; the numbers after the names of some players reflect that multiple people with those names have played for Waterford):

Best of luck to both lads in their future endeavours

PTH2009 · 28-09-2011 2:17pm

deiseach wrote: »

We've lost a lot of experience in the last week or so. This is the list of Championship appearances made by players who were available to Waterford in 2011 (E&OE; the numbers after the names of some players reflect that multiple people with those names have played for Waterford):

Best of luck to both lads in their future endeavours

Say Tony Browne and Seamus Prendergast will be the next ones. Would not be suprised if Eoin Kelly called it a day.

On the manager front id say it will Michael Ryan now with John Allen and Jason Ryan rulling themselves out. but if Nicky Cashin is in his backroom staff than would not be going back to the Justin Mccarthy Sanario again.??. Hopefully a players strike will not happen

tonc76 · 28-09-2011 2:31pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Say Tony Browne and Seamus Prendergast will be the next ones. Would not be suprised if Eoin Kelly called it a day.

On the manager front id say it will Michael Ryan now with John Allen and Jason Ryan rulling themselves out. but if Nicky Cashin is in his backroom staff than would not be going back to the Justin Mccarthy Sanario again.??. Hopefully a players strike will not happen

When did Johm Allen and Jason Ryan rule themselves out? I haven't read anything stating same?

PTH2009 · 28-09-2011 2:35pm

tonc76 wrote: »

When did Johm Allen and Jason Ryan rule themselves out? I haven't read anything stating same?

Jason Ryan is Staying with the Wexford Footballers. http://www.hoganstand.com/Waterford/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=155680

John Allen was never contacted

ArtVandelay76 · 28-09-2011 2:43pm

Thats not exactly Jason Ryan ruling himself out now is it, and how do you know John Allen wasn't contacted?

lovelypoint · 28-09-2011 2:57pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Say Tony Browne and Seamus Prendergast will be the next ones. Would not be suprised if Eoin Kelly called it a day.

On the manager front id say it will Michael Ryan now with John Allen and Jason Ryan rulling themselves out. but if Nicky Cashin is in his backroom staff than would not be going back to the Justin Mccarthy Sanario again.??. Hopefully a players strike will not happen

Bit depressing considering who is going to retire, but I suppose we may have seen the last of Tony. I think Seamus still has something to offer, and hope he will consider remaining on the panel for next year, likewise with Eoin, but as you say would not be surprised to see him call it a day.

I guess we've been lucky in years gone past, with not too much loss in experience through retirements each year, but losing Eoin and Clinton was a little unexpected, despite the service and sacrifices they've given to the jersey over the years.

New manager could be critical, I feel to stem the tide of retirements, as it could be the difference in getting an extra year or two out of some of the stalwarts of the squad, as 5/ 6 retirements could definitely cement our status as a team in transition. For now though, if we could retain the likes of experienced veterans like Seamus & Eoin Kelly, the influence and experience on upcoming players could be crucial, as I feel we will have to blood a few players yet, and better to bring them through an established structure, than throw them in the deep end.

Re: manager, I wouldn't be too concerned about people distancing themselves from the job, given the farcical selection process last year. Allen has made it known he is available, and Jason Ryan would be receptive to an approach I imagine, as well as other canditates who have elected not to stick their head above the parapet.

I've liked the Tipp approach of seperate managers and coaches, and personally would not mind seeing Jason Ryan as manager, providing he is accompanied by a top notch coach. I'm sick of expecting everything from one man, and ultimately finding out they are deficient in a key area or two.

deiseach · 28-09-2011 2:59pm

This Jason Ryan thing is gas. The media have had him both appointed to the Waterford job and reappointed to the Wexford job in the space of 48 hours without a single verifiable source about either. Not only is it no surprise that newspapers are circling the drain - they deserve it

Mountainlad · 28-09-2011 3:02pm

lovelypoint wrote: »

Bit depressing considering who is going to retire, but I suppose we may have seen the last of Tony. I think Seamus still has something to offer, and hope he will consider remaining on the panel for next year, likewise with Eoin, but as you say would not be surprised to see him call it a day.

I guess we've been lucky in years gone past, with not too much loss in experience through retirements each year, but losing Eoin and Clinton was a little unexpected, despite the service and sacrifices they've given to the jersey over the years.

New manager could be critical, I feel to stem the tide of retirements, as it could be the difference in getting an extra year or two out of some of the stalwarts of the squad, as 5/ 6 retirements could definitely cement our status as a team in transition. For now though, if we could retain the likes of experienced veterans like Seamus & Eoin Kelly, the influence and experience on upcoming players could be crucial, as I feel we will have to blood a few players yet, and better to bring them through an established structure, than throw them in the deep end.

Re: manager, I wouldn't be too concerned about people distancing themselves from the job, given the farcical selection process last year. Allen has made it known he is available, and Jason Ryan would be receptive to an approach I imagine, as well as other canditates who have elected not to stick their head above the parapet.

I've liked the Tipp approach of seperate managers and coaches, and personally would not mind seeing Jason Ryan as manager, providing he is accompanied by a top notch coach. I'm sick of expecting everything from one man, and ultimately finding out they are deficient in a key area or two.

I'd imagine more than that, he's vying for the spot. I mean rumours about James McGarry being a coach in his proposed backroom team were hardly drawn out of the sky, he must be very interested and letting it be known, with the leakage to the media, as to be honest I don't think the Sunday Independents claims were anything more than a story Ryan wanted put out there to get people talking about him.

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