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796 children buried in Septic Tank in Galway - ### Mod Warning in 1st Post

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/europe/ireland-orphanages-mass-grave.html?_r=0

This story is now getting international attention which hopefully will put the pressure on the Irish media and government to investigate.

Mod: Folks, please refrain from making wild accusations and/or assumptions of murder and torture. And don't use this thread as another church bashing thread. If the story makes you so incensed that your can't post anything other than to express your hatred of the RCC, then just don't post and save us all some time. You can, of course, criticise the events and the people involved, but don't lose the run of yourselves.

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MadYaker

This can't be the only one in Ireland. I think there will be more of these mass graves "discovered" in the next few days. People in Tuam knew about this, they just didn't talk about it. Not sure what finally brought it to national attention but I'm glad something did. There will be more. Its a horrible thing but hopefully it will be the final nails in the coffin for the RCC in this country.

Tardful Slakerly

It was the most read article on The Guardian website earlier, it's in second place right now.

My name is URL

MadYaker wrote: »

This can't be the only one in Ireland. I think there will be more of these mass graves "discovered" in the next few days. People in Tuam knew about this, they just didn't talk about it. Not sure what finally brought it to national attention but I'm glad something did. There will be more. Its a horrible thing but hopefully it will be the final nails in the coffin for the RCC in this country.

This isn't even the first one to be discovered, and they weren't all run or owned by the RCC.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/21/unmarked-graves-children-protestant-home-dublin

Stinicker

People should remember that in this era Fianna Fail dictated Irish politics and this was the vision of Ireland they wanted, Fianna Fail controlled Ireland almost uninterrupted from 1932 to 1973 and for over 40 years this was DeValera's vision with full control from the Church and an extremely backwards inward looking conservative insular society. While not defending the Church I would like the remind people that the blame must be shared with Fianna Fail the party of power who oversaw these human rights abuses. People say the state, but the truth is their was no state in Ireland at the time but rather as good as a one-party system like you'd find in North Korea today.

The only times Ireland has found liberalism is when Fine Gael and Labour came to power and they have been responsible for changing Ireland into a fairer more egalitarian country. They introduced Divorce, introduced state run health care and removed the Churches influence over healthcare. This Government has introduced protection for the mother allowing Abortion in limited circumstances. They will bring in Gay-Marriage next year also.

The Church and State vis-a-vis Fianna Fail are responsible for this. Who can blame the Unionists in the North for fearing people down here and it is a case of Dublin Rule was certainly Rome Rule all along.

SpaceTime

Bizarrely enough we'd nearly default FF government for decades despite the fact that we'd the most wide-open proportional representation system in the world!

It was some feat to have had single party governments never mind one party in charge for so long.

It says an awful lot about just how conformist and conservative society was in those days.

AnonoBoy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Finally.it's top story on the rte news and they move swiftly along to the next story

Not entirely sure what you expect from a half hour news program. They never dedicate the entire 9 news to a full story.

I'd expect a Prime Time special about this whole issue though.

Choochtown

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I just read that myself on Facebook.

It's a f*cked up country that we lived in and it's even more f*cked up to think that there are people TODAY still defending this sort of behaviour.

Thousands upon thousands of our fellow citizens will this weekend and every weekend give lots of money to the catholic church. Unfailing, unquestioning ...

I really don't understand how.

brevity

Mars Bar wrote: »

A guy I know just wrote this on Facebook

Any student who misbehaved in class was warned that they would be put sitting beside the 'homebabies' as punishment.

**** me, this is scary familiar.

grizzly

It's horrendous, but surely a large number of people knew about this going on. It's not going to be one or two nuns, but 1000's of people who turned a blind eye.

Stinicker

SpaceTime wrote: »

Bizarrely enough we'd nearly default FF government for decades despite the fact that we'd the most wide-open proportional representation system in the world!

It was some feat to have had single party governments never mind one party in charge for so long.

It says an awful lot about just how conformist and conservative society was in those days.

There was also massive voting corruption and voter intimidation, and this a story from both sides of my family my fathers being strong Fine Gael and my Mothers from the Fianna Fail party. My grand-mother (FG side of family) told me stories before she died of how the Civil War continued for along time after it officially ended. Her family were pro-treaty supporters and were intimidated and prevented from voting at gun point throughout the 1930's and such political gerymandering and fraud continued up until the early 1950s. My grand-aunt (fathers side of the family) died in Child birth because the state Doctor was prevented from traveling to assist my great grand-mother in child-birth by these people and this was just a few months before the outbreak of WWII in 1939, many years after the Civil War battles ended.

The Blueshirt movement was established in the 1930's to protect ordinary decent people from Fianna Fail and their armed thugs masquerading as the the IRA.

Alot of what really happened in the past was conveniently censored out of the school books by successive FF governments and due to time alot has been forgotten but now in my family only oral tradition remains. I had what I knew to be my grand-uncle (mother side of my family FF'ers) who died in 2003 and 2 weeks before he died I discovered he was actually my step uncle in that he was born out of wedlock to my grandmother and he was instead reared by his grandmother and it was seen as some sort of shame. The familys solution at the time was to cry rape which somehow made it less shameful and the father of the child served time in Cork prison for what was most likely not rape at all. The reason the child was allowed to be kept was the family were card carrying members of the party (FF) and my grandmother (18 years) was then hastily married to my grandfather who was ex-IRA and party stalwart despite he being over 40 years older than her. She had 6 children with him and he died in 1969 when she was still quiet a young woman. This was an arranged marriage and the illegitimate son was reared by his grandmother who was still quite young and he was passed of as her youngest child and that him and his mother were brother and sister. Talk about confusion and stupidity.

Ireland back then was a scary place and there was a lot of evil being perpetrated against the most very weak and vulnerable in our society. My own mother today is in her 60's and displays all the symptoms of this ignorance and threw a complete fit when I myself dated a single mother a while back as if she was dirt despite she being from a far upper-class family to mine and having a professional job and she had left her partner as he had become an alcoholic. Decades of brainwashing can not be removed I suppose and she went and voted FF two weeks ago so what I can I say only that I love her as she is my mother but she isn't too bright at all.

Neyite

Some are describing it as an Honour crime.

jellyboy

It all went pete tong when i read this paragraph

Irish culture has had a traditional focus on eradicating troublesome women and their offspring. For years unmarried pregnant women were punished and hidden away in homes. Women who need abortions travel in silence to have them in secret in England, or they have secret home abortions here. Government ministers actively engage in policies that make it more difficult to be a single mother, and to speak out against it is deemed immoral and not of value to the community. A person sending unsolicited emails to a person concerning a third party’s moral purity, and then publicly tweeting in relation to it demonstrates her own value to the community by positioning the importance of women’s role in public morality above that of the murder of an individual woman – a woman who was buried in a barrel to protect the family home.

Its not just the women who were abused,hurt ,broken and shoved away

Resonator75

Neyite wrote: »

Some are describing it as an Honour crime.

Wow, now you mention that, it fits the description perfectly. Disgusting:mad:

Spring Onion

Choochtown wrote: »

Thousands upon thousands of our fellow citizens will this weekend and every weekend give lots of money to the catholic church. Unfailing, unquestioning ...

I really don't understand how.

I think deep down they consider themselves martyrs. They "keep the faith" despite all the evil in the Roman organisation.

shruikan2553

Spring Onion wrote: »

I think deep down they consider themselves martyrs. They "keep the faith" despite all the evil in the Roman organisation.

Nah, most just dont really care. They'll say thats terrible and actually do think that but yanno, getting the child baptised etc is just the done thing. A schism of those who are fed up with how the catholic church has been run from the vatican would change nothing here.

Czarcasm

Neyite wrote: »

Some are describing it as an Honour crime.

That piece is brilliantly written, paints a very accurate picture of society then and now and how so many people are unwilling to acknowledge that not a whole lot in our society has changed, no matter how modern and progressive we like to think we've become in recent years.

Micky Dolenz

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0604/621550-tuam-grave/

Heard it reported on BBC world news. Can't believe it was discovered in 1975.

The blame for this can't solely be put at the feet of the RCC. Our grandparents are every much to blame, our police service, our social services, our people. This is bigger than an organisation. Irish people did this and other Irish people allowed it to happen.

Spring Onion

Weirdly this story was covered last October in the Connacht Tribune but must not have got much traction.

http://connachttribune.ie/memorial-for-788-babies-buried-in-tuam-orphanage/

denhaagenite

Petition's at 7,000 now, moving quickly in the last few minutes but still thought it would be quicker getting to the paltry 10,000 mark. Sign and share, it might seem pointless but I think social media is the only way to go with this. Public pressure!!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Frances_Fitzgerald_Irish_Minister_for_Justice_and_Equality_A_full_Gardai_investigation_into_the_mass_grave_in_Tuam_Co_Ga/?copy

jellyboy

Czarcasm wrote: »

That piece is brilliantly written, paints a very accurate picture of society then and now and how so many people are unwilling to acknowledge that not a whole lot in our society has changed, no matter how modern and progressive we like to think we've become in recent years.

I would suggest that its written well..

Any article/discussion on abuse that doesn't name the genders of adults/children is in my view not brilliantly written

No matter what view point a person has ,its never a good idea to cause pain.hurt to those that have been abused

For many years the voice of those that have been abused have been held held back by the malignant shame of society…

Lets not go back down that road again

Czarcasm

jellyboy wrote: »

I would suggest that its written well..

Any article/discussion on abuse that doesn't name the genders of adults/children is in my view not brilliantly written

No matter what view point a person has ,its never a good idea to cause pain.hurt to those that have been abused

For many years the voice of those that have been abused have been held held back by the malignant shame of society…

Lets not go back down that road again

Respectfully jellyboy, let's not diminish and trivialize the suffering of these young women by engaging in gender whataboutery.

My name is URL

Spring Onion wrote: »

Weirdly this story was covered last October in the Connacht Tribune but must not have got much traction.

http://connachttribune.ie/memorial-for-788-babies-buried-in-tuam-orphanage/

It was reported even before that. Iirc it was mentioned on an episode of Prime Time a few years ago which investigated the use of babies born in those homes for medical experiments.

THE DEPARTMENT OF Health says there are no plans to hold an inquiry into allegations that the bodies of hundreds of babies born to unmarried women in Ireland’s mother and baby homes were used in medical experiments after they died.

Last night, RTÉ’s Prime Time ran a special programme uncovering how hundreds of children at Irish institutions were used for medical research and dissected by medical students without their mothers’ consent right up until the 1960s.

http://www.thejournal.ie/hundreds-of-irish-babies-used-for-medical-research-and-dissections-report-247446-Oct2011/

anncoates

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0604/621550-tuam-grave/[/url

"Mass graves located at former mother and children homes in Bessborough, Castlepollard and Roscrea have also been highlighted."

PopePalpatine

Manach wrote: »

You are quoting a source that I've assuming is not some type of peer-reviewed paper or book, Instead it is a "rabble aims to create a space for the passionate telling of truth, muck-raking journalism and well aimed pot-shots at illegitimate authority"
Grand if you have the capacity to allow google searches how to react to a story instead of acquiring the mental tools to do so yourself.

2, 4, 6, 8, it is time to obfuscate!

I'd trust Rabble.ie's view on this far more than the view of an ultramontane rag like the Irish Catholic or Catholic Voice. This post comes to mind:

Reformed Character wrote: »

Scum, and those who might defend or try in any way to defend or explain away this crime against humanity are even lower than the scum who committed it!

Manach

Might I confirm that the original research done by Catherine Corless to this is present in?:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1382568855335119&id=1381096678815670
"
The Mother/Baby Home Tuam
The Mother/Baby Home in Tuam was opened in 1925 and was run
by the Bon Secours Sisters to cater for unmarried mothers and their babies.
"

Karl Stein

Wouldn't it be nice if the CAB could seize all church property as the proceeds of crime?

[Deleted User]

The Church, State and Law enforcement are all to blame to some degree but most to blame are those who we're told deserve everything handed to them because it's their hard work that made this country what it is and all the usually platitude bull****.
I would and have in the past told people to their face that I think their actions were completely pathetic in the past. Would I have done any better? I hope so. Either way I wasn't part of the system that gave tacit approval to the laundries, the industrial schools, the borstals, the baby thefts, the child-rapings and the locking up of victims of abuse on the word of a priest.

PopePalpatine

RobertKK wrote: »

For the sake of the mods I am not discussing this, and can't comment any further on it.
Can take it to PM if you want.

What's the matter? Do you hate seeing the Church's true face?

Boo-fucking-hoo. These c.800 babies were abandoned by nuns who wouldn't have been out of place as concentration camp guards, because these vile nuns saw them as too subhuman to be adopted, because these vile nuns saw their mothers as subhuman, "fallen" women.

steddyeddy

Some Irish people were responsible. I have talked on here about the cover up of abuse by the Irish police force and the RCC many times and was criticised for my views. My grandparents on hearing that their daughter (my aunt) received a beating at school confronted the head nun. The b1tch hadn't got the courage to face my granny who in her own words "would have tore the veil of her".

Karl Stein

steddyeddy wrote: »

My grandparents on hearing that their daughter (my aunt) received a beating at school confronted the head nun. The b1tch hadn't got the courage to face my granny who in her own words "would have tore the veil of her".

And that's the thing. They knew which kids didn't have a Mother/Father Uncle/Aunt who'd come to stand up for them. Little kids whose childhood was fear of violence and abuse when it should have been about being a happy kid.