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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The first image involves prayer. You think prayer is a cult?

    It is yeah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    But a breach of protocol. He asked him what regiment was he in. That's a presumptuous question given it's not the US army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    You're just flat out lying now.

    1. You've literally got Republican supreme court judges ruling on their religious or ideological beliefs. Aileen Cannon for example was repeatedly forced to walk back her decisions when they were found to be wrong.
    2. Americans are struggling more than before, his tax cuts mostly benefit the wealthy. Inflation is accelerating and the country is heading to a likely recession.
    3. Putin uses him like a little bitch. Trump does nothing but move his deadlines up another two weeks. Pretending he is interested in standing up to these countries isn't based on reality, in fact he has repeatedly praised their leaders (apart from Iran, who aren't actually a thread to the US at all).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The judges donald picked were less qualified than others. Amy Coney Barrett was particularly ill suited. Their judgement on roe vs wade, which they accepted as law on swear in, was changed based on their feelings. Again, no point made here.

    The US debt is ballooning for a second time under trump with tax cuts going to those who don't reinvest or grow the economy. You need to accept the balloning of debt as a good thing if you want this point to be in any way valid, do you? Otherwise it's refuted again.

    trumps obsequience to putin has meant other weapons manufacturers, particularly Europe based, being more trusted to provide equipment to the detriment of the US and those employed in that US industry.

    US withdrawal from aid programmes has allowed other countries, like China, to move in and drive influence at the expense of US interests (this may end up having the longest term effect and is not a good thing for the US).

    Will you stick and provide evidence or spin off elsewhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    You are correct, you provided more than one. I see two but not three.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ah yes, the most venerable of news outlets. Meanwhile you praise an adulterer and rapist. Just be conflicting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    No judge is 100% correct 100% of the time, but she's right a heck of a lot more than she's wrong. And Aileen Cannon isn't on SCOTUS.

    Think how bad off American's would be if Biden or Harris were elected and instituted their tax increases and allowed the Trump tax cuts to expire as they planned to do.

    You should educate yourself on the sanctions Trump has put on Russia and how he is hitting some countries with higher taxes like Brazil who are propping up his war on Ukraine through the purchase of their oil and gas.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Dunno - I'd not object to see him crucified for his sins!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly, Trump has proven himself to be an attrocious president for the second time. But continue to fawn over the noted rapist. This nonsense of saying we should educate ourselves, you're promoting a criminal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭somenergy


    He put no tarrifs on russia 10% on ukraine

    He blames Ukraine for not surrendering

    He call it biden and Ukraines war

    He never went to Ukraine biden did several times

    He allowed 2 pauses in supplies even though they where Congress approved



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Latest polling has Trump significantly underwater on every major issue.

    The latest IPSOS poll show only 34% approve of the tariffs , with 64% disapproving. Only 38% think he's doing a good job on Russia/Ukraine and only 40% think he's doing a good job on the Economy . His best number is still underwater at 44% support for his immigration and crime policies.

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    Pretty much no one on the fence at this stage it would seem.

    Hard to see those numbers on the Economy improving any time soon



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The unfortunate thing with all this however, is that it doesn't really matter. He is just going to try and rule more and more like a tyrannical king - they are not renowned for caring about public opinion.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A tariff on Brazil isn't paid by Brazil you know.. It's paid by Americans.

    He has not taken a single penny out of Russian coffers or out of Putins wallet.. Not one cent

    But he has cut funding and support to Ukraine directly and indirectly..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    Some tariffs are paid by Americans, but some countries have reduced some prices and others have held some in order not to see a decrease in their exports.

    He has issued some sanctions on Russia and in threatening more due to the war in Ukraine. Plus he has gotten some nations to reduce their purchases of oil and gas from Russia. So yeah, he's hit them in the wallet.

    So he isn't giving everything away for free anymore to a country that cannot win the war against Russia, and is expecting some level of payment for our continued support… okay, I'll agree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    The US imports practically nothing from Russia, so a tariff increase would only be symbolic.

    Ukraine cannot win the war, so they need to realize they will lose some territory if they want to end the killing of many thousands of their citizens.

    Biden allowed Russia to invade Ukraine. It wouldn't have happened if Trump was president. And what does it matter if he hasn't visited Ukraine. He still meets with Zelensky.

    And yes, Trump has created some short-term temporary pauses as part of his negotiation tactics. I don't see that as a bad thing.

    Here is a question for you… Why do you all in Europe condemn Trump on his support for Ukraine when you continue to fuel Putin's war against Ukraine by continually purchasing his oil and gas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,941 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ukraine may still win the war, but continued support from America is vital. If Trump wasn't trying to extort his Ukrainian allies for short term gains I think people wouldn't criticise him, compared to Bidens more honest support of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,365 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Countries don't pay tariffs, importers do. Have you any examples of countries paying the tariffs on behalf of the importer? Or lowering the price so the net effect is zero?

    He threatens more but never does it. Just another two weeks. He recently fawned over Putin, giving him full state honours, and received nothing in return.

    He is continuing to give billions to Israel, which you agree with, but you agree he shouldn't be giving weapons for free to Ukraine. Israel is defending itself against an attack and so is Ukraine but they are different because?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Trump lawsuit against NYT thrown out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/19/trump-nyt-lawsuit-judge-ruling

    the court said such a complaint is not a public forum “for vituperation and invective” or a protected platform “to rage against an adversary”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    You don't seem to understand how tariffs work, which I guess explains a lot. Brazil doesn't pay those.

    Brazil in the meantime has gotten China as a huge customer for their soy beans, previously China bought soy beans from US farmers but thanks to Trump's tariffs China has looked elsewhere. This means that a ton of farmers are now facing hardship, just like the last time he was in office and will likely need bailouts. Of course Project 2025 was extremely clear on that: No bailouts for farmers, instead they can go bankrupt so their farms can be bought on the cheap by Trump's pals.

    As for his 'sanctions on Russia': They are relatively weak and he keeps putting off more severe sanctions time and time again. I mean, this is all widely available information. You can't expect us to keep feeding it to you.

    Anyway, I think I will ignore you from now on because you seem like the usual 'Ukraine can't win, they have to give up territory, Trump is the best' MAGAt and it's gotten boring. It almost sounds like you're just reading from a template at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭somenergy


    All Kremlin points also used by trump noting new Russia is not winning took a lot of ground first six months then lost a lot name 1 big regional city captured in the last 2 years

    We condemn trump for siding with Russia all concessions pushed on the victim Ukraine in case you didn't know

    Slave Ukraine comrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Shame tbf, I would have loved to see the discovery part of the lawsuit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,682 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    The only reason he put tariffs on Brazil was because they charged his buddy Bolsonaro with trying to overturn a democratic election, something your pal should be doing time for. Do you approve of interfering in other countries affairs?

    Aileen Cannon delayed the slam dunk case against Trump for stealing top secret documents and lying to his lawyers he handed them over until he won the nomination. What about trying to look for another 11500 votes so he could win Georgia?

    When did prosecuting someone on legitimate charges become weponisation?

    Now Trump wants the whole media to only promote MAGA or they’ll be shut down, what a fcuked up country is but no sympathy, they are getting what they vote for.

    No doubt when the inflation keeps rising along the jobless figures they’ll still back Trump like the US farmers who saw their soya beans export figures collapse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    Sure. It took all of 15 seconds to do your homework for you.

    Some foreign exporters are cutting prices on their products to offset the impact of tariffs

    Israel is a key ally to the US that helps to keep tensions stabilized in a volatile Middle East, and therefore a more important partner than is Ukraine. Ukraine serves little key benefit factors to the US.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Your claim was that countries reduced prices which is absolutely incorrect!

    As for Israel - the US is encouraging and facilitating genocide - nothing more to say about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,644 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Speaking as an evangelical Christian, I believe that God exercises providential control over the history of nations. The Old Testament says, “The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men” (Daniel 4:17). Similarly, the New Testament says, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God” (Romans 13:1). 

    This is the most revealing bit of the whole piece for me and an insight into the thinking of his supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    He put high taxes on Brazil because they are becoming a national threat to the US. Brazil is trying to force American tech companies to remove political content, block users, hand over private data, and change how they handle content online. If the companies refuse they face massive fines, legal threats, or even being banned from doing business in Brazil.

    Sadly the majority of US coffee companies get the majority of their coffee beans from Brazil which has caused a recent increase in the price of coffee here in the US tremendously. Hopefully these companies will soon shift their imports to countries like Colombia, Guatemala, Honduras, Peru and Costa Rica so we can see a decrease in prices.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Just to remind everyone, the 1st amendment of the United States reads,

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Congress shall make no law…

    To read this literally, it would appear that freedom of speech can lawfully be supressed if it comes from somewhere else. This amendment appears not to say anything specifically about the US Federal government monkeying with what you can say or exercising its power in this realm.

    Now, there is judicial precedent to pad this out, and that has up until now taken a wider interpretation that prohibits other branches of government from suppressing free speech. However, it wouldn't be the first time if the current SCOTUS were to roll back something that was considered a settled issue…

    But it's worth reiterating that these first amendment protection do not extend to private companies rescinding any bullhorn they may possess.



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