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Winning against a mafia state that has a deranged psychopath as dictator and already has the largest land area of any country in the world but still wants more is difficult to gauge. I don't know why you are trying to put words in my mouth about three days but it has been three years now since putin launched a full scale invasion and over ten years since parts of Ukraine have been occupied by terrorists from the russian federation. I can't understand what putin wants to achieve by such a long terrorist campaign against their neighbour but it is not how they are going to win any friends in Ukraine or make Ukrainians want to be part of putin's empire. Millions of Ukrainians are not going to bow down and let putin order them to be killed.
putin is being propped up by Chinese, North Korean and Iranian authoritarian governments that are happy to see him wreck his country's future for whatever deranged war of conquest he thinks he can win but by still existing Ukraine is winning. Trump offered putin an off ramp by saying they would agree to pretty much all of his demands and he did not take the offer and agree to a ceasefire. I personally can't see western European troops going in to remove putin's terrorists, but weapons and funding for the Ukrainians will increase and so will the pressure on putin's terrorists occupying parts of their country and at some point I do think the russian federation will crack and have to admit it made a mistake to invade Ukraine and be forced to withdraw. The prosperity of the EU depends on its borders being secure so they will pay the price for Ukraine to stop putin's terrorists and his dreams of westward expansion.
You're one of those who think Russia made some declaration to take Ukraine in 3 days types. The same rhetoric here all the time, still can't admit Ukraine can't and won't win a war with Russia
From the first days of the 2022 invasion putin tried to send a column of armour directly to attack Kiev and an assault was made on the airport there that if successful could have led to more of putin's terrorist forces being flown in to directly attack Kiev which is not in the east of Ukraine. Your constant lies are just getting tedious at this stage and sound very russian to me.
Yes reference to Boris Johnson because it was he who flew out to stop the negotiations at the start. Do you refute that?
Yes, it is disinformation. You made a specific claim, even referencing Boris Johnson. The only evidence relating to it that was provided proved that claim is garbage. It is Russian vatnik propaganda, nothing more.
If there's countless statements - should be easy for you to provide it. And remember, when you asked others for sources, you demanded 'official sources'. So your inability to provide backup for your claim is proof that the claim is disinformation.
Instead of withdrawing the claim in the face of the evidence … you repeat it:
Countless statements from the warmongers in the west.
That entire statement is a fabrication without merit or foundation.
Countless statements- nope.
Warmongers in the west - nope. The warmonger is Putin and Russia, who wage an illegal war of aggression, plunder and atrocity in Ukraine. Ukraine fights to preserve its independence, as it has every right to do so. The warmongers are those who defend and excuse Russia's war and look for them to be rewarded for their aggression and leave Ukraine unable to resist future aggression.
Even after he invaded he denied it was an invasion.
There's no validation for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
Yet that's what you are attempting to do. Here comes the "but there's two parts of Ukraine" spiel. These are Kremlin talking points.
Putin did not launch a ballistic missile at Zelensky's home town (killing people and kids near a playground) for any valid reason.
Putin's forces did not attempt to surround Kyiv and systematically liquidate people in Bucha for any valid reason.
You are free to come in and make excuses for this invasion, however your points will be refuted. It doesn't make those types of views any less vile, but perhaps it's a necessary evil to demonstrate how indoctrinated individual views can become.
That's ridiculous, their concentration has always only been the east, there's enough information available to know why, even back to 2014 when the like of the BBC etc were reporting from there.
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@mulbot
I will advise you to tread very carefully. Any more digs towards other posters or moderators, and you can expect a ban.
Thank you.
Sorry, but russia's current occupation of east ukraine is only because of their utter ineptitude when they started the invasion.
They are, 3 years in, stuck at basically 0 effective progress and have seen russia militarily taken off the map as a major superpower where years of corruption was laid bare for all to see.
But it is noted that you are turning tail to run again, mulbot, when asked to back up the points you are trying and failing to make.
No he isn't, that's again more nonsense. There's 2 vastly different parts of Ukraine, I shouldn't even have to get I to that, but this is a pro Ukraine anti Russian thread so I won't hang about arguing with the comments from those that have the West only perspective.
Putin is invading Ukraine to conquer it, to subjugate it. There's no threat from Ukraine, there's no valid reason, there's no "Russian side to the story". It's a Hitler style invasion, he wants the land, he wants to absorb the country into Russia - and he's using bombs and missiles to achieve that.
It's completely illegal and there's no validation for it whatsoever.
He can't directly admit this so he has conjured up warped history, mental gymnastics and crude propaganda.
His apologists parrot this stuff. Most of them are individuals who will support any leadership for being opposed the US/West including dictators who would not otherwise follow their beliefs.
It's an inconsistent and hypocritical stance.
Perhaps you are from Russia and are a direct Putin supporter I don't know.
However if you are Irish, then you only need to ask yourself the question if Putin were doing the same to us, would you be making any of these comments? The answer is no.
Would you be claiming that European nations coming to our aid are warmongers? No.
Would you be attempting shift blame away from Putin to absolve him of responsibility? No.
putin has left no other choice for Ukraine than to fight and defend themselves. It has to be the right choice to fight back rather than simply get killed by terrorists. This war is completely manufactured by putin and there is no shifting the blame from the side that has invaded Ukraine in spite of treaties to respect their internationally agreed borders. No one in the west needs to encourage Ukrainians not to get killed by putin's terrorists and trying to shift the blame for this war to anyone beyond putin and his supporters is just sick disinformation that you are consistently spewing onto this thread.
So, where's your official source that @odyssey06 asked you for. As was pointed out, Boris Johnson didn't say what your RuZZian sources says he did.
So, come across. Where's your source?
Putin is like a Lada running out of Gas, stalling
Spreading disinformation, seriously, what nonsense. There's being countless statements from the warmongers in the west about continuing the fight against Russia, a fight that has already shown that Ukraine can't win.
Before you call me clueless (something I think the mods don't allow, or maybe they do with those that support Ukraine) you should know that I have a huge understanding of this from the Russian perspective. You're really just regurgitating the west perspective.
I can't account for cluelessness on anyone's behalf.
It was no secret Putin wanted to invade Ukraine - but he wasn't making official statements on it, on the contrary Moscow was denying it was going to invade right up until days before the actual invasion.
Likewise with absorbing Belarus or moving forces into Lithuania, the Kremlin isn't making official statements. They don't have to, for example, in 2022 Russia registered a bill with the Duma to repeal recognising Lithuania's independence, Russia TV has repeatedly shown war-games in which Russian forces overrun Baltics including Lithuania, the head of SVR said the Baltics would be the first to go down in any conflict with NATO. Russia has repeatedly and long expressed a desire for a land-bridge to Kaliningrad.
"Literally stated many times."
Just none you can actually provide from an official source - because that's the standard you set for others on this thread. So if it was literally stated many times as you have phrased it, it should be easy to cite.
You wouldn't be spreading Russian disinformation would you?
This manipulative thesis is spread by various pro-Kremlin speakers, followed by the Russian media. Russian propaganda also says that, in addition to Ukrainians, the "collective West" allegedly intends to sacrifice residents of the Baltic states and Poland. As StopFake writes, the call to "fight to the last Ukrainian" is attributed to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. In fact, Johnson did not call on the Ukrainians to die; on the contrary, he warned the Russians that they would defend their country - and if necessary - to the last drop of blood. The leaders of the G7 also did not push Ukraine to fight "to the last Ukrainian"; instead, they expressed their readiness to share the burden of this struggle and pledged to provide Ukraine with indefinite support in defense against Russian aggression.
https://disinfo.detector.media/en/post/the-west-wants-to-fight-against-russia-to-the-last-ukrainian
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/boris-johnson-as-uk-pm-sabotaged-istanbul-peace-deal-in-2022-ordering-kyiv-to-fight-till-the-last-ukrainian/
It's unlikely he will black and white Hitler style invade the Baltics tomorrow - that's not considered imminent.
The Baltics are preparing for a time if/when NATO is fragmented, when the international order may have changed, when far right parties are in power, etc.
I remember people breathlessly claiming he would never invade a European country, that NATO would never be under threat, that Trump would never get into power, that the world order would never change - etc, etc, etc.
Well I'm watching and reading longer than that, never have seen official Russian statements discussing any bridging.
"Warmongers"
Democratic Ukraine was not a threat to nuclear-armed Russia - he's not stealing their grain or forcing their kids to learn Russian for security reasons. It's conquest. Which Putin can end it at any time of his choosing.
It's a war of choice for him.
Price have gone up, instability has gone up, inflation rocketed up - literally no one wants this. Now we all have to spend billions on defence.
You're trying to spin that as we "want war" because we are spending money to defend ourselves. Does Finland want to invade Russia? No. Does Lithuania want to invade nuclear-armed Russia? Of course not. It's spending money on defences to avoid and deter Putin.
Putin is engaged in hybrid warfare with the whole of Europe. He's already invading one European country.
Here's a picture from Russia's Channel One when they were discussing wiping out the UK and Ireland with nukes
Literally the exact same thing happened with Hitler. Countries around him desparately started to spend more on defense, why? Because he had plans to invade them. Countries around him joined defensive alliances, why? Because he had plans to invade them.
He spun them as war-mongers who were "surrounding" Germany, just as Putin is doing now. Imagine supporting that narrative in 2025.
I honestly think the idea that he is going to march all over the Baltic's and create a new Soviet Union is fantasy. Does Russia have the capability to engage in another conflict resource wise?
If that was the true goal. Why not invade and completely occupy Georgia in 2008 as an example?
From watching the news and reading about it for the last 20 years.
Russians, public officials, leadership have often made comments about connecting Kaliningrad to Russia. When Lithuania stopped transit in 2022 they said such a move "untied their hands" to address it by any means - aka force
Russian state TV has mentioned it multiple times. It's not uncommon for them to reference invading or nuking European countries (including Ireland)
Kremlin apologists active today i see. Europe must be doing something right.
Putin turns down a European backed ceasefire but somehow europe are the warmongers? Make that one make sense. Haha.
RuZZia always enters talks and even agrees to treaties. So what?
Russian day celebration on in imwm again this year
He'll be back to Nazi's in Ukraine, NATO advancing and protection of Russian speakers rhetoric again, just to stall and delay any unconditional ceasefire.
Ukraine and it's European allies will see through it, but I fear Trump may fall for that spiel.
No, they've literally stated many times, remember the guy Boris Johnson, yea? He repeatedly said it
Unusual to see Putin under a fair bit of pressure. Europe and Ukraine issued him with an ultimatum yesterday and he then had to issue a live statement to the media in the middle of the night Moscow time. That doesn't sound like someone who is controlling the narrative or who 'holds all the cards'.
