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It was the Ukrainians who blew up Nordstream so who knows who could be behind this one, many people have many motives...
Keep squirming, the hypocrisy has now been exposed
Is precisely what Peskov would say ;)
We don't know if Nordstream was Ukraine. The Swedish and Danish investigations were inconclusive. The German investigation points towards a Ukrainian national, but there are also flaws with the investigation, so we don't really know.
In terms of undersea cables, technical failure is usually the main culprit but with Russia in second place due to their fixation with them (only recently being in our waters at one of the junctions).
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Nope. Civilian deaths have not been estimated at 12,000 deaths.
An utterly disingenuous post and of course no source is provided for your claim because then it would be obvious you have deliberately misrepresented the figures. Another example of the fake news dropped into your posts, without foundation, to spread Russian propaganda.
What was actually reported was below.
By 31 October 2024, OHCHR had recorded 39,081 civilian casualties in Ukraine since February 24, 2022: 12,162 killed and 26,919 injured, but said they believe the real number is higher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
The only normalisation going on in this thread is the normalisation by you that it is legitimate for Russia to wage illegal war, to conduct atrocities against civilians, including rape and execution. You've been asked repeatedly on the thread to condemn Russia's war and how it waged it. You have ignored it multiple times.
Russia has targeted hospitals in Ukraine, and not just in Ukraine, but in Syria also. But of course, zero condemnation from you of such conduct - when it is done by Russia.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-targeted-hospitals-ukraine-war-okhmatdyt-vladimir-putin/
Your claims to be concerned about Ukrainians, or any civilians anywhere, ring hollow. Your posts demonstrate you only bring them up as a rod to criticise the West over. The only reason you are criticising Ukraine is because the US supports them.
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I recognise the genocide that's occurring in Palestine. Russia is very much so committing genocide as well. Their goal in Ukraine was Russification. They've kidnapped children, targeted public facilities including hospitals and residential areas. Then there's the mass killing events in which civilians were targeted. Human rights groups have also recognized it as genocide.
"These are the non-humans that the Ukrainian Maidan spawned. Religion in Ukraine is replaced by them with false faith and sectarianism, and the junta itself is first replaced by them." - Putin
"But if you don't want us to convince you, we'll kill you. We'll kill as many as necessary: one million, five million, or exterminate all of you". - Gubarev
Equally pretty acclaimed historians around European history such as Timothy Snyder view it as genocidal intent… So ya, you don't get to pretend this isn't genocide cause it doesn't suit you. There's an irony in the fact you're accusing others of normalizing genocide but you're doing exactly the same thing.
https://snyder.substack.com/p/russias-genocide-handbook
russia today.
Mine owners who promised miners their wages have renaged on the deal and have instead fired workers.
FSB officers in Buryatia resort to burning papers to keep warm. Office catches fire.
"Pressers" prisoners who cooperate with prison authorities in beating and raping other prisoners for confessions were given more prison time by the court. Authorities of course never received any punishment, probably praised for the slyness by those ahead of them. Russia.
Israel has nothing to do with this thread
it says parody under the video
Like using poison gas ? Like using Iranian missiles? Like involving the North Koreans? The Ruzzians and their puppets are in no position to cry foul.
You have cast iron proof of this of course?
No?thought not.
Who has ships loitering around similar cables,including those off our own coast?
It's not the Ukrainians.
The German investigation is very conclusive from what I've read (the full investigation in Spiegel) and my understanding is that it's pretty much agreed it's by far the most likely explanation.
The vessel used, the techniques, the Ukrainian guy who was hiding in Poland and tipped off by Polish security and fled to Ukraine before the Germans could get him arrested under European arrest warrant.
I put it this way: if it wasn't Ukraine then Russia did an amazingly good job of making it look like Ukraine, and since when has Russia displayed anything like that level of competence?
I should emphasize: I've no problem with the operation, assuming it was Ukraine.
Read the Spiegel article(s), they're in depth, thoroughly researched and quite conclusive, unlike your own repudiation based purely on what, a "hunch"?
I repeat: I've no objections to what the Ukrainians did, assuming it was them. And I doubt Russia is sophisticated enough to do something like that and not leave mountains of evidence like with all their other crude operations
So,you've gone from it WAS the Ukrainians to assuming it was.
OK.
Will we get the Christmas in before it goes nuclear?
We in Europe only think bombs get dropped onto peoples heads on the tv screen, if Ukraine uses longe range missiles provided by NATO we are in for a big shock.
“Will we get the Christmas in before it goes nuclear?
We in Europe only think bombs get dropped onto peoples heads on the tv screen, if Ukraine uses ICBM’ s provided by NATO we are in for a big shock.”
And this ladies and gents is the level of intelligence we have calling for peace. ICBMs! Give me strength.
You've gone from saying absolutely nothing of substance to saying absolutely nothing of substance.
If you think it wasn't the Ukrainians, present your evidence. I told you where mine can be found, Spiegel is not perfect but did a pretty thorough job on this. It is also very pro Ukraine as I am so spare me crap like "it's an outlet for Russian propaganda" or something
Imagine calling for peace as a bad thing? There wont be a Ukraine if they use these long range missiles on Russian territory.
….and I will add the words of Dugin and Krasovsky: ''Today's Ukrainians are a race of degenerates that crawled up from the sewer. Genocide is in order'' and ''Just drown those children, drown them….shove them right into those huts and burn them up''.
Yes its a bad thing when done without any concern for real peace.
Peace isnt the mere absence of 'war'. It is being able to live in safety and security. Russian occupation or the constant threat of Russia attacking again, destabilisation tactics as it used from 2014 is not peace.
Rewarding illegal warfare with territory and domination of countries - nothing is less likely to lead to peace.
Putin has said he doesn’t want peace and negotiations only last week.
Please don’t take us for idiots.
What else do you imagine Russia will do? Beyond what they're already doing.
So far, in my estimation, slamming a cruise missile into a children's oncology ward is probably the worst thing they've done.
Is there something realistically worse that they could do?
Sweden has printed pamphlets telling its citizens how to prepare for war.
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Neither does NATO as an organization have a military presence in Ukraine. Its incorrect to say:
NATO personel have to do the targeting with these weapons, not Ukrainians. As Putin said that is a declaration of war on Russia
Its important to get this correct as there are Russian propagandists using NATO as a boogeyman to justify their invasion of Ukraine and annexing its territory.
Individual countries are free to support Ukraine like France, UK, USA, Australia, Japan, etc if they want.
There’s a fairly big caveat
The engines in these going forward are not the same
The engines used to rely on Ukrainian industries so Russians having to install older soviet era engines
This is like Russians claiming to have increased tank production but when you scratch under the propaganda paint you realise what they talk about is putting an anti drone cage on a 50 year old tank that was rusting in back arse of Siberia and voila you have a “modern” Russian tank and nice figures to report up to Putin
This is the usual crap mantra we constantly get from hard left crusty traitor types in Ireland, such as PBP, Wallace & Daly plus elements of SF. NATO of course is responsible for this conflict so gets the blame according to tankie scum logic.
Russia has used both long range cruise missiles & long range ballistic missiles in their cowardly murdering war on Ukraine, many have been fired at civilians & infrastructure, such as hospitals, railway stations & power utility plants.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/assessing-russian-firepower-strikes-ukraine
Pardon me if I don't weep when the boot is on the other foot.
Glóir don Úcráin!
I don't know whether this is serious but Ukraine doesn't have ICBM's
Ukraine already uses it's own home-made missiles (and long range drones) for attacking targets in Russia. The only difference now is that they can use US supplied missiles (they actually don't have too many of them) to hit military targets inside Russia.
Won't make a huge difference to the war, but Putin hates it because it causes him a headache, e.g. the airports and launch platforms in Russia that are used to kill Ukrainian men, women and children on a daily basis might be under threat.
In case you are missing the context there, Russia fires long range missiles all across Ukraine on a regular basis, if any go astray and hit a NATO country that's a far higher cause of escalation of the conflict
You can't back up your claim it was Ukraine that blew up the pipeline,but I'm the one lacking substance?
LOL
The ICBMs?
lol
