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Bike Storage Solution

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I know there was a recent discussion on this, but can't seem to find it. Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on this.

I came across the bike storage below, while out for a walk recently. In two minds about it, as I know people need somewhere to keep their bikes, but I also think this one is pretty ugly. The house is a protected structure, so planning should definitely have been applied for ahead of putting down the concrete slab and bike store. Easy access to the rear of the property as well, but it would be dark at night, which might be an issue.

To be honest, if it was me, I'd have built a more bespoke storage solution that didn't stick out as much, and detract from the houses on the road.

They have applied for retention, which I think may have come as a result of complaints from neighbours. Or maybe that's just the way the wanted to apply. Ask for forgiveness, rather than permission in the first place!

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[Deleted User]

You know those wooden structures for covering wheelie bins, would they need planning? They're a structure put in to house a moveable object. No reason a bike storage should be viewed differently.

cletus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119027108#Comment_119027108

I've no idea, but if they are permanent structures, them they are liable to the same rules. All it takes is someone to make the complaint.

The fact is, you can build or put a shed to the side or back of your house, but there are issues around doing it in the front garden.

A neighbour of mine has a steel shed in his front garden for a motorbike. Nobody in the estate has complained, so no action was taken, but if the planning authority were alerted to it, he would have to take steps to rectify it

Effects

Similar one not that far away. Been there for years. Colour blends well with the house.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118975023#Comment_118975023

Good enough for people with rusty bikes maybe.

Fiat 127s were good enough for people for decades, so let's get rid of all cars on the road bigger than a 127.

cletus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119028356#Comment_119028356

They may have applied for planning, or maybe none of the neighbours complained.

Just to be really clear, I've no issue with front of house storage for bikes, but the planning decision to remove the one above has nothing to do with bicycles per se.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119027097#Comment_119027097

that's true, it is ironic that you're allowed park your car on public property but not allowed make provision for parking your bike (in a structure) on private property.

anyway, could it be argued that it's a prefab which bolts down in the sense that a site cabin is not (presumably) considered a permanent structure?

[Deleted User]

Ridiculous that planning for many driveways was granted on Lawrence's Road, but the council won't give permission for this.

Thelonious Monk

It's still there I cycle past it regularly. There's a car with flat tires and no tax parked around the corner from me outside someone's house for about 3 years now that I've reported a few times, council have done nothing. Probably because I'm in a less salubrious area than Clontarf and they just don't care.

cletus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119028724#Comment_119028724

I don't disagree, and yes, I'm sure there's some argument that could be put forward for it. I just know that the wording of the planning rules specifically forbids structures in front of the house without permission

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119028827#Comment_119028827

Someone mentioned the same bike storage that's in Marino, and has been for years. I grew up in Clontarf, lived in Marino for a number of years. Generally speaking the residents if Marino would be more down to earth when it comes to the necessity of planning permission for a bloody bike shed. In Clontarf however its imperative to have a driveway for at least 2 Crossovers/SUVs.

Mercian Pro

Just in case people are under the impression that you can park cars in your front garden without planning permission, you can't, unless a sufficiently wide gate was already in place. For Protected Structures and in Architectural Conservation Areas, it's pretty rare for DCC to grant permission. As well as the visual impact, creating a new opening generally removes an on-street parking space.

DaveyDave

I'd much rather people had a driveway to park in rather than cluttering up public roads.

Mercian Pro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119038952#Comment_119038952

Not so, particularly from a pedestrian's viewpoint.

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119039439#Comment_119039439

As a pedestrian I can honestly say cars parked on the road look seriously ugly, they make a street look uninviting, cluttered and unsafe. If they are off the road you have much clearer sight lines

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119038506#Comment_119038506

it's not just that putting a driveway in requires PP - AFAIK if you change even the position of a pedestrian gate to your property, it requires PP.

Effects

Plenty of people still do stuff without planning permission though. And the system allows for it.

Mr. Cats

Could you not buy one of those Ssangyong’s mentioned upthread and store it on road or in front garden? Easily fit 3/4 bikes in back, particularly if you take all the seats out. No planning required I guess.

Effects

On the road you'd have to pay tax and insurance on it.

And you wouldn't get permission to put a driveway in I'd think.

[Deleted User]

It would be lovely if 1 or 2 of these were installed on Lawrence's Road in Clontarf.

Report recommends expansion of ‘bike bunker’ scheme in Dublin with 300 to be deployed by 2026

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/09/08/report-recommends-expansion-of-bike-bunker-scheme-in-dublin-with-300-to-be-deployed-by-2026/

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084615#Comment_121084615

I've been trying to get access to a bike bunker at the top of my road in Stoneybatter for 2 years with no luck. It's such a space saver not having two bikes in a small back garden - there's an absolutely huge demand for them. Seems like a really easy win to install a load more of them about the place.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084676#Comment_121084676

I was amazed to read they are more expensive than a resident's parking tag for motor vehicles. This country is very confusing at times.

magicbastarder

They're more expensive to provide than an empty parking space, but the price of a parking space says more about how we value public property than it should.

Anyway, I don't know why they needed to commission Arup to tell them what they already knew? The original trial was successful.

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084760#Comment_121084760

I got a snotty reply from the corpo lady...saying more "studies" are required. Don't rush yourself. Two years... since application...and waiting.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121095890#Comment_121095890

From their website:

'BikeBunkers originated from a Dublin City Council BETA Project in 2015 which used the hashtag #BikeHangarBETA on social media. Here’s the report from that trial.'

2015! and here I thought I was bad waiting two years.

So 8 years ago they thought about this as an idea and it's still in a trial stage.

magicbastarder

one of the problems is that DCC are operating at something like 90% of their nominal headcount, and some departments are very short staffed so can't take on too many new projects.

and it affects departments which need engineers, as the council pay grades for them can't match private sector rates.

o1s1n

Well here's an article I missed back in April that does not bode well for the project:

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/is-dublin-city-council-trying-to-bury-its-bike-bunker-scheme/a320370748.html

what_traffic

Another problem is the culture of shure tis grand the way it is (not just DCC but all Councils). As big a factor as the pay. Hard to stick at a job like that when ones sees so little change or innovation occurring.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121096012#Comment_121096012

https://dublininquirer.com/2023/05/17/unable-to-hire-and-keep-the-staff-it-needs-dublin-city-council-is-struggling-to-provide-services/

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