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The Canada Convoy

bertiebomber

I notice there is no thread on the convoy crossing Canada its huge and Mr tyrant Trudeau has gone into hiding. Truckistan has a huge following its not being ccovered in the MSM of course as its against the narrative any thoughts? It is an amazing protest no violence or looting just peaceful objections to a future plutocracy surely we should have an opinion as these Canadians are just like we used to be before we became so submissive to the EU & so easy to manipulate.

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BurgerFace

It appears that it all boils down to a simple schism.

Those who want to have a choice about their bodies and those who don't want them to have such a luxury.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118594104#Comment_118594104

Mandatory vaccines are not coming to Ireland? Do you know this for a fact? How much would you wager on your certain assertion? Do you have proof that it won't happen? If not then all you have is conjecture.

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597502#Comment_118597502

Sure by that argument, all cork GAA fans are right wing loons, as they often have a few Confederate flags amongst the fans

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598028#Comment_118598028

Find it strange all the folks who dismiss anti mandate as anti-vax, and feel they shouldn't have antonomy over their body are the same people who will use body antonomy to support abortion...

I'm someone who opposes compulsory vaccines and supports the right to abortion and I'm currently doubled Vaxxed

BurgerFace

These guys are all nutjobs according to the experts on here. This bloke went out and talked to them:

I live in downtown Ottawa, right in the middle of the trucker convoy protest. They are literally camped out below my bedroom window. My new neighbours moved in on Friday and they seem determined to stay. I have read a lot about what my new neighbours are supposedly like, mostly from reporters and columnists who write from distant vantage points somewhere in the media heartland of Canada. Apparently the people who inhabit the patch of asphalt next to my bedroom are white supremacists, racists, hatemongers, pseudo-Trumpian grifters, and even QAnon-style nutters. I have a perfect view down Kent Street – the absolute ground zero of the convoy. In the morning, I see some protesters emerge from their trucks to stretch their legs, but mostly throughout the day they remain in their cabs honking their horns. At night I see small groups huddled in quiet conversations in their new found companionship. There is no honking at night. What I haven’t noticed, not even once, are reporters from any of Canada’s news agencies walking among the trucks to find out who these people are. So last night, I decided to do just that – I introduced myself to my new neighbours.

The Convoy on Kent Street. February 2, 2022.

At 10pm I started my walk along – and in – Kent Street. I felt nervous. Would these people shout at me? My clothes, my demeanour, even the way I walk screamed that I’m an outsider. All the trucks were aglow in the late evening mist, idling to maintain warmth, but all with ominously dark interiors. Standing in the middle of the convoy, I felt completely alone as though these giant monsters weren’t piloted by people but were instead autonomous transformer robots from some science fiction universe that had gone into recharging mode for the night. As I moved along I started to notice smatterings of people grouped together between the cabs sharing cigarettes or enjoying light laughs. I kept quiet and moved on. Nearby, I spotted a heavy duty pickup truck, and seeing the silhouette of a person in the driver’s seat, I waved. A young man, probably in his mid 20s, rolled down the window, said hello and I introduced myself. His girlfriend was reclined against the passenger side door with a pillow to proper her up as she watched a movie on her phone. I could easily tell it’s been an uncomfortable few nights. I asked how they felt and I told them I lived across the street. Immediate surprise washed over the young man’s face. He said, “You must hate us. But no one honks past 6pm!” That’s true. As someone who lives right on top of the convoy, there is no noise at night. I said, “No, I don’t hate anyone, but I wanted to find out about you.” The two were from Sudbury Ontario, having arrived on Friday with the bulk of the truckers. I ask what they hoped to achieve, and what they wanted. The young woman in the passenger seat moved forward, excited to share. They said that they didn’t want a country that forced people to get medical treatments such as vaccines. There was no hint of conspiracy theories in their conversation with me, not a hint of racist overtones or hateful demagoguery. I didn’t ask them if they had taken the vaccine, but they were adamant that they were not anti-vaxers.

The next man I ran into was standing in front of the big trucks at the head of the intersection. Past middle age and slightly rotund, he had a face that suggests a lifetime of working outdoors. I introduced myself and he told me we was from Cochrane, Ontario. He also proudly pointed out that he was the block captain who helped maintain order. I thought, oh no, he might be the one person keeping a lid on things; is it all that precarious? I delicately asked how hard his job was to keep the peace but I quickly learned that’s not really what he did. He organized the garbage collection among the cabs, put together snow removal crews to shovel the sidewalks and clear the snow that accumulates on the road. He even has a salting crew for the sidewalks. He proudly bellowed in an irrepressible laugh “We’re taking care of the roads and sidewalks better than the city.” I waved goodbye and continued to the next block.

My next encounter was with a man dressed in dark blue shop-floor coveralls. A wiry man of upper middle age, he seemed taciturn and stood a bit separated from the small crowd that formed behind his cab for a late night smoke. He hailed from the Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia. He owned his own rig, but he only drove truck occasionally, his main job being a self-employed heavy duty mechanic. He closed his shop to drive to Ottawa, because he said, “I don’t want my new granddaughter to live in a country that would strip the livelihood from someone for not getting vaccinated.” He introduced me to the group beside us. A younger crowd, I can remember their bearded faces, from Athabasca, Alberta, and Swift Current Saskatchewan. The weather had warmed, and it began to rain slightly, but they too were excited to tell me why they came to Ottawa. They felt that they needed to stand up to a government that doesn’t understand what their lives are like. To be honest, I don’t know what their lives are like either – a group of young men who work outside all day with tools that they don’t even own. Vaccine mandates are a bridge too far for them. But again, not a hint of anti-vax conspiracy theories or deranged ideology.

I made my way back through the trucks, my next stop leading me to a man of East Indian descent in conversation with a young man from Sylvan Lake, Alberta. They told me how they were following the news of O’Toole’s departure from the Conservative leadership and that they didn’t like how in government so much power has pooled into so few hands.

The rain began to get harder; I moved quickly through the intersection to the next block. This time I waved at a driver in one of the big rigs. Through the rain it was hard to see him, but he introduced himself, an older man, he had driven up from New Brunswick to lend his support. Just behind him some young men from Gaspésie, Quebec introduced themselves to me in their best English. At that time people started to notice me – this man from Ottawa who lives across the street – just having honest conversations with the convoy. Many felt a deep sense of abuse by a powerful government and that no one thinks they matter.

Behind the crowd from Gaspésie sat a stretch van, the kind you often see associated with industrial cleaners. I could see the shadow of a man leaning out from the back as he placed a small charcoal BBQ on the sidewalk next to his vehicle. He introduced himself and told me he was from one of the reservations on Manitoulin Island. Here I was in conversation with an Indigenous man who was fiercely proud to be part of the convoy. He showed me his medicine wheel and he pointed to its colours, red, black, white, and yellow. He said there is a message of healing in there for all the human races, that we can come together because we are all human. He said, “If you ever find yourself on Manitoulin Island, come to my reserve, I would love to show you my community.” I realized that I was witnessing something profound; I don’t know how to fully express it.

As the night wore on and the rain turned to snow, those conversations repeated themselves. The man from Newfoundland with his bullmastiff, a young couple from British Columbia, the group from Winnipeg that together form what they call “Manitoba Corner ” all of them with similar stories. At Manitoba Corner a boisterous heavily tattooed man spoke to me from the cab of his dually pickup truck – a man who had a look that would have fit right in on the set of some motorcycle movie – pointed out that there are no symbols of hate in the convoy. He said, “Yes there was some clown with a Nazi flag on the weekend, and we don’t know where he’s from, but I’ll tell you what, if we see anyone with a Nazi flag or a Confederate flag, we’ll kick his **** teeth in. No one’s a Nazi here.” Manitoba Corner all gave a shout out to that.

As I finally made my way back home, after talking to dozens of truckers into the night, I realized I met someone from every province except PEI. They all have a deep love for this country. They believe in it. They believe in Canadians. These are the people that Canada relies on to build its infrastructure, deliver its goods, and fill the ranks of its military in times of war. The overwhelming concern they have is that the vaccine mandates are creating an untouchable class of Canadians. They didn’t make high-falutin arguments from Plato’s Republic, Locke’s treatises, or Bagehot’s interpretation of Westminster parliamentary systems. Instead, they see their government willing to push a class of people outside the boundaries of society, deny them a livelihood, and deny them full membership in the most welcoming country in the world; and they said enough. Last night I learned my new neighbours are not a monstrous faceless occupying mob. They are our moral conscience reminding us – with every blow of their horns – what we should have never forgotten: We are not a country that makes an untouchable class out of our citizens.

BurgerFace

The fact that they don't want to be pushed against their will makes them "loons"?

Is a woman who doesn't want to be forced to have an abortion or a woman who want's the choice....are they loons because a certain segment insists they do as they are told regardless of their own free will?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598040#Comment_118598040

the taoiseach and deputy have said it's not going to happen.

it's not going to happen no matter how much conspiracy mumbojumbo people spout.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598071#Comment_118598071

Good for you. And do you want to know why that is? Because you can THINK for yourself and you think that others can do the same.

There are people out there who think that a vaccine will "chip" them or that Covid is a 5G side effect or some other such silliness. And that's fine. But please don't lump somebody who simply wants to exercise their choice with somebody who thinks a vaccine will turn you into a lizard.

Sadly, one sees it all the time. A person decides that they don't wish to have something injected into their body. That person isn't standing on a street corner screaming "you're all going to turn in to triffids". By the same token people who have chosen to take a vaccine are actually just as virulent regarding those who decide not to become vaccinated.

The argument is "if you don't get vaccinated you might get sick and take up a hospital bed". People who don't want a vaccinated. .many of them are worried that it might make them sick for the rest of their lives or possibly even kill them.

So to the guy who demands that they get vaccinated because they could make YOU sick as opposed to them not wanting to be vaccinated because they THEMSELVES might get sick.....What makes YOUR fears more important than theirs?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597954#Comment_118597954

So you can’t back up what you said about me. Right so.

Are you so driven by thanks that you think everyone else is?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598040#Comment_118598040

I’m applying logic. There is no reason why Covid vaccination would become mandatory at this stage.

[Deleted User]

Also still not seeing much evidence that posters aren't crazy conspiracy theorists tbh. Very little too differentiate this thread from CT forum.

I'll also repeat, we would not be exiting this pandemic if it weren't for people getting the vaccine. This is why the unvaccinated account for a disproportionate number of ICU cases. On top of that, the unvaccinated are still more likely to spread it due to the peak viral load lasting longer.

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586299#Comment_118586299

So no conflict here with Danno being a Mod of Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators

no wonder this sh$te site is dying

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598427#Comment_118598427

So, I'm not allowed an opinion on anything?

I'm against mandates, no bother if someone wants to make the choice to have a vaccine. It really isn't that hard to understand.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598427#Comment_118598427

I guess homeopathy and science are grouped together hence the "science" part of the title.

is_that_so

The hardline stance taken by the provincial governments was always going to suck in all kinds of malcontents and dubious groups with their own agendas. It's nature of protesting these days, like flies around the proverbial. That doesn't mean that it doesn't include more civic minded people who support vaccinations, but are very unhappy at this targeting of specific groups. Op-ed piece here on CNN, author is Canadian.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/03/opinions/canada-truckers-protests-covid-19-trudeau-cohen/index.html

cannonballTaffyOjones

So what do the "Scientists" @end of the road and - @Annasopra think of this

https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/

Is he a far right transphobic bigot ??

is he misled ?

Pussyhands

It's a common tactic for those against protests to show a tiny % of people who may be racist etc to discredit the whole protest.

Go fund me can go **** itself too. Hope a competitor is set up and the donations flow in again.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598705#Comment_118598705

givesendgo account just coming up on 6 million! theyd be better off protesting over the cost of running transport, over something as stupid as this!

cannonballTaffyOjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598427#Comment_118598427

Yes how DARE Danno have a different opinion then yours!!!

BruteStock

https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1487902058812428290

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597954#Comment_118597954

How that Austrian mandate works out is still not clear. The present incumbents inherited the strategy from the previous government and all it is for now is a threat of fines from March. It may also be subject to legal challenges.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598157#Comment_118598157

I did my own research, and what you are dismissing as silliness is actually true. There are 5G chips in the vaccine. Don't be surprised if people dismiss your arguments as silliness.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598747#Comment_118598747

...will this mean i get better phone reception?

Dyr

I can't believe Canada is going through the equivalent of the Beer Hall Putsch by these truck driving Nazis, why can't they understand that you can have all the freedom you want so long as you just do what you're told?

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597570#Comment_118597570

Aren't the Muslim Brotherhood a proscribed terrorist organisation? Why is not wanting them in your country a black mark against her? Are you in support of terrorist organisations??

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598152#Comment_118598152

IF they said the sky was blue I'd look up. They've said a lot of things throughout Covid only to backtrack.

From Jan 10th 2022: Ireland’s National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) will consider introducing a vaccine mandate following the release of an upcoming paper by the Department of Health on the issue’s complexities.

According to newly released minutes from a meeting of the group in mid-December, “NPHET will discuss the issue of mandatory vaccination at a later date and this discussion will be facilitated by a forthcoming paper from the DOH on the relevant ethical and legal considerations pertaining to this topic.”

Mr. teddywinkles

As my brother said to me a year ago.

This will stop when they stop testing for it. And that's exactly what happened. They eased off on testing and now it in retreat.

Anyone saying that vaccinations stop the spread need to get in their house and see how quickly its spreads.

It went through our home like wildfire and were all vaxxed. So I'm sry your talking out through your hoop.

Do they limit severe illness. Probably. Hard to tell when most people took the vaccines anyways.

bertiebomber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598973#Comment_118598973

When the Eu send the envelope and TELLS them to mandate similar to Austrai they have no choice but to do what they are told. More vaccines are coming shot 4 & 5 yet to come.

Irony " my body my choice for abortion" &" my body not my choice ( the governments choice via EU diktat )for a forced mandated vaccine.

Thats it in a nutshell if you disagree with this statement you are a CT & not just a logical thinking person. What more can you say, the best retort is to fill up the jails for non payment of fines. 1 million less folk took the booster so a million in the jails would fairly **** up the system. As to believing the government when they say something USC was for 2 years .....12 years on its still there.

bb12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598705#Comment_118598705

it's also common for government to use agent provacateurs these days eg ray epps on jan 6th

Cruz Asks Asst. FBI Director: 'How Many FBI Agents Were Confidential Informants' During Jan. 6 Riot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePxjwXAIf2E

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598998#Comment_118598998

Not really hard to tell when there is a disproportionate number of unvaccinated in ICU.