Reading lately that it appears the gulf stream is decreasing and could be showing signs of stopping.what Would it mean for irish agriculture. This year has had a cold feel to most of this year
Moody depressed teens were always a thing. Remember emos?
Some of them'd need to take a hard look at themselves alright, did anyone see the program earlier in the week about ''The way we were''
The difference is that generation were willing to go over the top in the Somme. Our generation aren’t willing to use a bicycle
Poor fools they were. Singing the 'we're here because we're here' song getting slaughtered. A lot of our generation went to be killed in Afghanistan too. All for nothing. Imagine being the family of one of them dead soldiers today. So it's understandable people are a little cynical about the stuff they get force fed.
Soft times breeds soft people.
For the day that's in it. There's a clip on cnn of a taliban fighter saying taliban law will be brought all over the world and their jihad will continue.
Expect more attacks in Europe and Britain now.
Anyway gone way off topic. Memes or some other Internet stuff!😏
Well Ireland is at the same latitude as the southern end of Hudson Bay in Canada, which freezes over solid and has polar bears roaming around and on it in winter.
If the Gulf strem shuts down completely, Europe will freeze and much of it will experience Canadian style winters, until the kilometres thick ice sheets cover it year round.
Before Ice ages kick off, you get sudden and rapid increases in CO2 levels, average global temperatures increase rapidly, the Gulf stream stops and icebergs break off from Antarctica and drift a lot further north than normal. We seem to have three of the necessary ingredients and just need that last one to seal the deal.
Some think it takes millenia for an ice age to become established, others claim research indicates it can take as little as a decade.
Being an island we would be probably slightly less impacted than say western France, but you could be looking at winter that looked more like NW Scandinavia and probably colder summers too.
Much the agricultural activity in Western Europe would be disrupted.
Most of our infrastructure is also incapable of dealing with a hard winter, so you’d be looking at having to rebuild almost every building, water and sewage systems would likely freeze (water systems did freeze during a couple of very cold snaps in the recent past.)
If it picked up moist, cold air from the Atlantic you could also be looking at months of snow blankets instead of intermittent rain.
Much of our vegetation and wildlife wouldn’t survive either as relatively little of it could deal with a sudden climatic shift like that.
If that happened you’d really be looking at a total disaster and probably mass migration out of Northern Europe towards the Med, as it would rapidly become too harsh to be a pleasant place to live.
Biggest issue would be crop failures on the continent creating food issues. You’d also be looking at things like the end of dairy farming, the collapse of the French and Spanish wine industries, that are dependent on relatively mild Atlantic driven winters, huge disruption to fruit and vegetable growing on the continent etc etc
A big shift like that if it were to happen suddenly could be a total disaster and basically end our way of life here and in most of Western Europe.
It also doesn’t equate to having more extreme summers. It could very easily just end to with extremely cold winter and summers more like say Iceland - say 8-14°C. Ireland has little or no continental temperature effect, as we’re too far away from it.
You know there was a time too when tropical jungles reached well inside the arctic circle. If anything we are heading more towards that scenario. The area between the tropics would be uninhabitable in that scenario. The Mediterranean would become the Sahara. The one country that would benefit massively from a warm planet is Russia. Huge areas of that country currently under permafrost would become very attractive.
Canada would become a super power too.
Parts of Sibera had Summer time temperatures in the mid 30s this year. Last year it went over 40C. It's seen an explosion of growth too
If every farmer had 2 less cows in Ireland climate change wouldn't be a problem anymore............
Wasn't a temporary shutdown of the gulf stream the cause of the bitterly cold winter in 2010. Anti-lockdown cohorts won't want to believe the gulf stream is in bother, likely thoughts on it will be all part of the "plan".
If there is another bad winter here like 2010 what way would it effect your livelihoods? And what, if any preparation can be done to the now to adjust to it.
They say when the permafrost melts up in Siberia etc that it will cause a carbon pump meaning a massive release of methane from the ground which will mean global warming cant be reversed.
The greens got in to government here and offered little in the way of moving people off fossil fuels etc. We are still importing fuel to run our cars and heat our homes.
Agri could be part of the solution here but talk of cutting cow numbers etc when the likes of teagasc, farmers journal, IFA etc offer farmers little alternative enterprises just show us how pointless they are.
Problem is that no matter what smaller countries do, as larger economies do nothing it's immaterial. As Brazil burns down rainforests the size of France, the US still has sub 4 dollars/gallon petrol ( that's about 80c/L), China opens 30-50 new coal power generation plants and Australia supplies the coal we are trying to hold out the tide on the beach with a bucket and spade.
And that is before we allow for the.pmanned expansion of the Brazilian beef herd that plans to slaughter 10 million more cattle/ year by 2030. New research is showing that green house emissions of western European cattle herds in 30-40 % of these cattle
We still have to do our bit.
There are so many things we could be doing in Europe:
When were the green party here anything other than a Gimmick. The last time they got into power was on the strength of being the watchdog over fine fail, as it turned out John Gormley couldn't be bothered to get out of his bed the night they decided to bail out the banks.
They are in power this time and it's no different. They lack any real ambition or knowledge, just a bunch of cute hors ridding the green flag for a free ride
Total failure of a party.
They lacked the courage to force any real change through.
This is the last government without SF at the helm. The greens could have held that over FFG and gotten more of their agenda onto the table. I’m some respects that doesn’t matter because their policies lacked any real teeth or true progressive initiatives.
Its been said so often but the greens are like fine gael on bikes.
Prattling on about people growing veg in window boxes when in reality people should be able to secure housing with a decent garden to do veg etc.
Spot on about the greens in power, they seemed eager to up their game this time but as soon as they were in it was jobs for the boys and girls.
The lesson from the bail out seems to have been the market will sort it out and hence european pension and vulture funds from everywhere took over and operated in low tax.
"The lesson from the bail out seems to have been the market will sort it out"
That was the thinking of the British parliament during the Irish famine. They knew there was enough food in the country to feed everyone yet the new radical thinking of the time was that the "Market will sort itself out" so they didn't intervene. Roll on to 2021 and the current government has the same mindset wrt everything from housing to the Environment
That certainly was not 'the lesson from the bailout'.
Didn't the Govt interfere to an unprecedented extent (in the market) through a takeover of virtually the entire banking sector?
It is arguable that a different approach would have left us far better off today.
Yeah they took over the loan books and flogged them at will.
They did as you say step in too much at the start but it was a bad idea to flog everything off like that, they are all land lords though I suppose.
Proves the State is at least as incompetent as the market.
I'd call ensuring Ireland became a diesel powered country a forced change. A really environmentally stupid thing to do, and a change in the wrong direction, but it was a change.
Hindsight is 20/20 vision. The government of the day had little choice, we were funded by the IMF.
How fast we remember the friendly face of Ajai Chopra
https://www.google.com/search?q=Photos+Ireland+imf+bailout&client=ms-android-oppo-rev1&biw=360&bih=582&tbm=isch&prmd=niv&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_2aXWk8PyAhWJbsAKHdJ1C9kQ_AUIFigC
They set the terms and conditions. If we did not da as we were told, nurses,doctors and teachers would not be paid, the unemployed word need soup kitchens and ...... farmers would not have received REPS payments or the last of our shed grants.
Yea.
they we’re dragged into a meeting on a Friday night with no option to get advice. Essentially a gun was put to their head to do this or the country would be out of money. As it was the Guinness family paid the HSE fortnightly wage bill.
Did that really happen with the guiness family covering the HSE payroll?
Ya we were by a punch drunk FF government who expected those that they enriched or were there political funders to tell them the truth. We had a Green minister who was in bed and u contactable until a Garda woke him up
If it was a Friday night we might have got a different result. It was a Tuesday or Wednesday night the markets were reopening in the morning. Ya a gun was put to there heads but they received a **** load of incorrect information from two main banks AIB and Anglo. That is not forgiving them, I will never forget what FF or the banks for what they did to us that night forgive maybe but never forget.
Most of the decision's after that were made by the IMF even after the next government came into power.
Sh!t happens it would not be sh!t if it did not happen
Na he just using a metaphor, as the tax from the drink industry covered the cost if the HSE he is incorrect in that as well
It amazes me how off topic this thread has gotten 😂
You have to wonder where the money goes in the health service, 20 odd billion and its still 100 if you go to A&E
It is a legitimate concern, the weather has got extreme.
Will the IFJ be doing articles in 10 years on dairy farmers converting to trawlers and braving the icy conditions for "the big catch"?
That’s been said within senior management of the hse is all I know.
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