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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

frash

Dun Laoghaire Rathdown are trying to do some great stuff with cycle lanes at the moment which you can read about on the following link.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/radical-expansion-of-cycle-infrastructure-planned-for-south-dublin-1.4396926

It's causing a lot of moaning from some drivers as roads are made one way leading to traffic build up on alternate routes.
Business are also lobbying for the planned changes not to happen as well as the re-instatement of the roads on the existing cycleway.

I'm a driver & a part-time cyclist but I think it's a great initiative, especially the cycle route from Sandycove to Blackrock (which will eventually be extended to Booterstown at least).

Anyway, like I said there's a lot of lobbying against it so I thought I'd balance it out a bit & do my own lobbying in favour of it & where better than the boards cycling forum

If you could take 2 mins to do this survey it would be great - it closes tomorrow though is the only thing!

https://dlrcoco.citizenspace.com/infrastructure-climate-change/dlr-safe-walking-cycling-routes-consultation/consultation/intro/?fbclid=IwAR3LTeKIcT8U__CrMla6v-ugeOJAm1dokl3bks6QHBnLQbE3XKH7kkV8IbM

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magicbastarder

so we have people who thought the scheme was a good idea, and disagree with the judge, and we have people who thought the scheme was a bad idea and agree with the judge.

i wonder if there's anyone in the other opposing camps - people who wanted the scheme to go ahead, but think the judge was correct, or people who didn't want the scheme to go ahead, but reckon the council were acting within their legitimate powers.

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117704927#Comment_117704927

Saw one person on Twitter in the former camp (of people I follow or turn up in my timeline from outside Cycling Twitter). I think bafflement at Captain Mannix steering his ship to new waters took over pretty quickly from any discussion of the merits of the case.

[Deleted User]

One would expect that if TII consider an eastern bypass beneficial they'd consider it vital the existing route remain in operation until such time as a bypass was built but I can't speak for them.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117704990#Comment_117704990

Bypassing what exactly?

Do you mean to bypass Dublin (in which case we already have a bypass) or do you mean bypass the city centre (in which case, part of the bypass would be in the city it is bypassing)?

Either way, it would be a lot of money spent on an unsuatainable method of transit simply to placate those who won't choose sustainable travel for whatever reason.

[Deleted User]

If they refer to a bypass by name as the Eastern Bypass then I don't see how it could possibly ever be confused with the M50.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705217#Comment_117705217

So what exactly would it be bypassing?

[Deleted User]

I sometimes wonder if the guys who just like to cycle and talk about their hobby get any utility out of this sub-forum as it is monopolized by those who wish to bitch and gripe about the existence of cars and trucks in a modern cityscape.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705231#Comment_117705231

..A large urban population centre...on the eastern side of said population centre...can't be clearer than that I don't think.

Macy0161

The Eastern Bypass is never going to happen. Never mind local environmental issues, and the context of less reliance on carbon fuels, there'd be more than a handful of Sandymount residents objecting to a bridge.

This whole issue again highlights the under utilisation* of ANPR - enforcement of the HGV ban, and potentially a waiver/ refund of the port tunnel tolls for genuine port traffic.

*on top of tax, insurance, driving licences etc.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117704121#Comment_117704121

Did you carry your family on your back.

I would walk to the local Dunnes quicker than I would drive too, I would either have to get a taxi home or ring someone to drive to collect me as I cant carry shopping for six people.

None of the posts here address the pertinent question, where are the thousands of cars who use the Strand Road to go if their access to this road is blocked.

How will we deal with these extra cars on the Merrion Road as the resultant traffic jams will cause tailbacks all over South Dublin.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705309#Comment_117705309

I was walking home from work. However, cargo bikes are very efficient for shopping and transporting children. I don’t have one myself though.

The question about where traffic will go has been covered a number of times in this thread already.

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705309#Comment_117705309

"I can't carry shopping for six people"

I know that there is ageist prejudice against them, because of the demographic they're associated with, but it's quite easy to carry large amounts of shopping over walking distances with various hand carts (I have one and my wife has one), and they're widely available for purchase. You can even get electric-assist versions.

If that seems too inconguous, and since you do actually cycle, there are very large panniers you can get. You don't even have to cycle. You can just wheel the bike and let it carry the weight of the shopping.

I only mention these, because you could actually save yourself time, given it's faster walking, and get a bit of healthful walking in.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117704223#Comment_117704223

I cycled everyday to work in Dublin city twenty years ago, there wasnt a cycle lane in sight and I was in my mid twenties.

I never demanded that anyone get out of their car to facilitate me and never demanded that roads be made one wsy to suit me.

I still cycle and avoid those two way cycle lanes, hate speeding male cyclists either behind me or coming towards me, this behaviour needs to be acknowledged and dealt with, it may require bikes to have number plates.Its having a very detrimental effect on beginners using those lanes, I know some cyclists who cycle on busy Monkstown Road rather than the coastal mobility route because of other cyclists behaviour.

Anyway the point is if you really want to cycle you will need to cycle in traffic so learn how to do it, it isnt possible to provide off road cycling everywhere and nor should we try, its too much disruption for too little benefit and most cycle lanes end with you thrown back in traffic anyway.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117704791#Comment_117704791

I preferred this area when there were cars with light and other people around at night.

Its dark and deserted in the Autumn as no one out cycling so doesnt feel safe.

Scoff away.

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705393#Comment_117705393

This isn't true though. Children and women are clearly cycling more in the segregated infrastructure in DLR. People are much more intimidated by sharing the road with cars than any blowhards on a bike.

I personally don't mind using the road, and often prefer it, which would be common among many posters here, but I'm reminded of when Adlai Stevenson ran for the presidency of the USA and heard a supporter tell him "Every thinking person in America will be voting for you." Stevenson replied, "I'm afraid that won't do—I need a majority."

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705309#Comment_117705309

Been reading a lot of this thread and you seem to be posting on it as some sort of diary for things that you do that have no relevance to what the cycle lane is trying achieve. An extra few minutes in traffic surely won't be too strenuous if shopping is a whole family event?

Mr. Cats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705309#Comment_117705309

Can’t you drive to the shop? How will Strand Road being closed in one direction stop you doing this? Even if your are a resident on Strand Road your cat access is maintained.

Total hyperbole at this stage.

Tge idea is not to ban cars or car journeys. It’s to make other means of transport more attractive.

tomasrojo

Also, if this were typical disjointed segments of infrastructure, up on the footpath or just with paint, the pushback would be a lot less. The councils have decided to build networks, which is where is the point where uptake really improves, as seen in Seville.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705416#Comment_117705416

They can eat cake for sustenence on their day out too.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705370#Comment_117705370

I play tennis and golf every week and I hill walk and cycle when I feel like a spin.

I have no desire to buy a cargo bike, no room for it as my golf gear takes up a lot of space.

I am not overloading a bike with a trolley full of shopping to cycle downhill, that wouldnt be safe.

I will take my car to the free carpark provided and do what suits me, I am over fifty years of age and there is only so much wear and tear a body can take.

And no, I am not pulling handcarts full of shopping either, I already have shoulder and knee problems and playing tennis is important to me,you are probablythirty years of age, no family etc to consider so you and your wife can plan your lives around your hobby.

Ps, you will probably come up with a solution to get to the golf club without the car, thanks but no thanks.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705393#Comment_117705393

Number plates famously stop speeding alright.

I'm sure almost everyone on this forum can cycle among traffic just fine. But that is why it is so limited. You build the infrastructure and the usage skyrockets.

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705435#Comment_117705435

Yeah, this was probably the biggest single thing I ever carried.

Actually, I've used that old trailer/stroller for carrying large amounts of stuff by foot as well. It's very handy.

buffalo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117703807#Comment_117703807

For those who think today's IT letter writers are worth quoting:

"Climate change is a clear and present danger, and we are fast approaching a global climate which is beyond that which has been experienced in the entire history of human civilisation.

...

Unless citizens are willing to accept that our lifestyles must fundamentally change – and that there will be some pain – we have no chance of achieving a habitable future.

...

This is not idealism. It’s realism. We’re in an emergency."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/climate-crisis-and-political-action-1.4638066

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705442#Comment_117705442

I have two children, both primary-school age. It's not my hobby either. It's my way of doing things. I don't cycle competitively and I'm not part of any club. I only ever cycled because I had places to go and things to carry. My wife is perfectly happy to do things this way, because we save thousands of euro every year.

Which now I think about it is another point of getting away from designing every street for domination by motorised vehicles. There is a large subsection of the population that could get by with less money, or have money to do other things if we didn't design the urban environment the way we do. There's a strong element of social justice in this, entirely at odds with Cap'n Mannix and his crusade against the Mamil.

[Deleted User]

And thats wonderful and you probably live in an urban setting where everything you need is local, this is your life and your choices though.

Other people may have more children including children with disabilities, they may have elderly parents, they may not like cycling, its just more convenient as a family to drive to wherever they want to go at this point in their lives.

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705514#Comment_117705514

This whole thread is about cycling infrastructure in an urban environment with ok public transport?

Again, nobody is saying everyone has to cycle. Most car journeys in the area we're talking about are under 5km and single-occupancy. And there is a clear latent desire for better facilities for walking and cycling. We've already tried designing the streets for everyone to drive, and we have the slowest transit times of any EU capital.

Podge_irl

You would swear we were talking about removing all roads in the country

tomasrojo

Actually, tell a lie, Bucharest has worse traffic than Dublin. And that's it for the EU.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705393#Comment_117705393

"i cycled a couple of decades ago when traffic wasn't as bad, and i was a young fit man in my 20s* and if that was good enough for me then, that's good enough for everyone now'.

yes, i'm choosing to interpret your words in a way you might not have wanted, but i think it's a fair critique.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705549#Comment_117705549

would that it were so easy.