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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Micky 32

Wonder what happened here….only 757 out of 1329 turned up.

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1377629241311957002?s=21

JacksonHeightsOwn

Micky 32 wrote: »

Wonder what happened here….only 757 out of 1329 turned up.

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1377629241311957002?s=21

Apparently they gave appointments to people who had already been vaccinated. Hence why they didn't turn up

josip

Stheno wrote: »

So potentially 50-59 year olds in mid May?

50-59 are split across 2 announced cohorts, 55-64 and 45-54.
They might further split these cohorts into two 5 year cohorts.

Goldengirl

Stheno wrote: »

So potentially 50-59 year olds in mid May?

A lot of people to be vaccinated first in group 7 in May, or are you talking about them splitting up that group?
As it is mainly being done by GPs some will be quicker than others depending on how many they have and if they have a lot in group 6 also.
Some group 7s will be called by hospital consultants/ clinics as they may not be treated for their underlying conditions by their GP.

Goldengirl

josip wrote: »

50-59 are split across 2 announced cohorts, 55-64 and 45-54.
They might further split these cohorts into two 5 year cohorts.

Josip, are you talking about group 7 or the general population?

Goldengirl

Micky 32 wrote: »

Wonder what happened here….only 757 out of 1329 turned up.

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1377629241311957002?s=21

A lot of bookings of those previously vaccinated apparently.
Would people not have the decency to let the VC know?

lbj666

Goldengirl wrote: »

A lot of bookings of those previously vaccinated apparently.
Would people not have the decency to let the VC know?

Didnt think they were jabbed already, they were People booked in for 2 venues in the texts they got , but if they sent back an opt out message it would have cancelled both of them. The Venues were made well aware of it just probably didnt know the scale of the issue.

Goldengirl

lbj666 wrote: »

Didnt think they were jabbed already, they were People booked in for 2 venues in the texts they got , but if they sent back an opt out message it would have cancelled both of them. The Venues were made well aware of it just probably didnt know the scale of the issue.

Oh fair enough.

josip

Goldengirl wrote: »

Josip, are you talking about group 7 or the general population?

The general population

JP Liz V1

JacksonHeightsOwn wrote: »

Apparently they gave appointments to people who had already been vaccinated. Hence why they didn't turn up

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377639985558458371

What a disaster, shambles organisation

is_that_so

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377639985558458371

What a disaster, shambles organisation

A bit of a mess but they are vaccinating about 6 groups at the same time. It's a reminder of what can happen when you're forced to put together a system very fast, without enough time to test it. That said it it does not appear to be widespread and it can be viewed as further system testing!

Azatadine

Kingston Mills is such an informative and balanced contributor on TV and radio. He was on Morning Ireland earlier talking about antigen testing. I'm so glad to hear and see him on TV and radio so much more often now and less and less of Staines, McConkey, Killeen and Ryan. Irrespective of the various opinions on Covid, I've always found him to be very balanced, even back last year in the bad periods of high infections and pre vaccine approvals.

is_that_so

Interesting site from Duke University on vaccine manufacturing - potentially a whopping 12bn this year.

https://launchandscalefaster.org/covid-19/vaccinemanufacturing

McGiver

J&J subcontractor screwed up massively.
Also they're using the same subcontractor as AZ.
We're heading for trouble with this one...

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1413892/jj-finds-problem-with-covid-vaccine-batch-ny-times-says-15-million-doses-ruined

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McGiver wrote: »

J&J subcontractor screwed up massively.
Also they're using the same subcontractor as AZ.
We're heading for trouble with this one...

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1413892/jj-finds-problem-with-covid-vaccine-batch-ny-times-says-15-million-doses-ruined

None of our AZ or J&J doses are being manufactured in the US

suicide_circus

I can't see where essential workers ie: people who have had to continue working on site during lockdown (supermarket staff etc) feature on the vaccine priority list. Are they just in with the general population?

PhilOssophy

Does anyone know were the HCW who were double-booked done by accident or by their own doing?

is_that_so

Israel slowing down in rate of vaccinations, doing in a week what they did in a day in February. Passover might be another reason for it

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-vaccination-slows-down-significantly-to-6000-first-shots-per-day/

is_that_so

suicide_circus wrote: »

I can't see where essential workers ie: people who have had to continue working on site during lockdown (supermarket staff etc) feature on the vaccine priority list. Are they just in with the general population?

Groups 1-9 remain the same, everyone else is by age.

Red Silurian

Azatadine wrote: »

Kingston Mills is such an informative and balanced contributor on TV and radio. He was on Morning Ireland earlier talking about antigen testing. I'm so glad to hear and see him on TV and radio so much more often now and less and less of Staines, McConkey, Killeen and Ryan. Irrespective of the various opinions on Covid, I've always found him to be very balanced, even back last year in the bad periods of high infections and pre vaccine approvals.

The likes of Kingston Mills and Luke O Neil are a breath of fresh air

Why are they not part of NPHET or the vaccine rollout plan will forever dumbfound me!

is_that_so

Red Silurian wrote: »

The likes of Kingston Mills and Luke O Neil are a breath of fresh air

Why are they not part of NPHET or the vaccine rollout plan will forever dumbfound me!

Neither have expertise in the area is why. The HSE do flu' programmes every year. This one is no different even if it is complicated by size and supply issues. We are getting 90%+ of doses into arms within the week.

TheDriver

suicide_circus wrote: »

I can't see where essential workers ie: people who have had to continue working on site during lockdown (supermarket staff etc) feature on the vaccine priority list. Are they just in with the general population?

Yes. The Govt decided Mon to renege on their promise to Gardai, educaton staff, postmen, bus drivers etc.

Red Silurian

is_that_so wrote: »

Neither have expertise in the area is why. The HSE do flu' programmes every year. This one is no different even if it is complicated by size and supply issues. We are getting 90%+ of doses into arms within the week.

The hse is also double booking... General smart people are needed here

is_that_so

Red Silurian wrote: »

The hse is also double booking... General smart people are needed here

Yeah stuff like that happens when you're forced to rush systems into action. Close to 1m doses in arms suggest they are doing OK otherwise.

is_that_so

TheDriver wrote: »

Yes. The Govt decided Mon to renege on their promise to Gardai, educaton staff, postmen, bus drivers etc.

No, they just changed the system to one which will be fairer to all, easier to use and faster. Most of of these changes will not be seen for at least a month. It was NIAC BTW, the government accepted their recommendations.

Professor Moriarty

Red Silurian wrote: »

The hse is also double booking... General smart people are needed here

Exactly. According to the constitution, the HSE can only employ genuinely stupid people or people who don't give a fcuk.

crossman47

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Exactly. According to the constitution, the HSE can only employ genuinely stupid people or people who don't give a fcuk.

Thats a nice tribute to those who have worked so hard for the last year!

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah stuff like that happens when you're forced to rush systems into action. Close to 1m doses in arms suggest they are doing OK otherwise.

Absolutely. I am not a fan of the HSE but they are doing quite well on this. The reality is that in 12 weeks pretty much everyone who wants one will get one. And moving to a simplified age structure makes far more sense than occupational priority.

Professor Moriarty

crossman47 wrote: »

Thats a nice tribute to those who have worked so hard for the last year!

They're overpaid and underworked. Immediate cuts of 20% to wages and numbers would wake them up.

seamus

is_that_so wrote: »

A bit of a mess but they are vaccinating about 6 groups at the same time. It's a reminder of what can happen when you're forced to put together a system very fast, without enough time to test it. That said it it does not appear to be widespread and it can be viewed as further system testing!

Seriously like. The amount of people dying to shout "shambles!" over minor clerical issues is insanely frustrating.

There are lots of reasons why this might occur, most of which have perfectly satisfactory explanations when you're trying to embark on the largest and fastest vaccination programme this country has ever seen.

Once again, we need to avoid letting perfect be the enemy of good. Mistakes will happen, they will cost money. Provided they have no significant impact on the speed of rollout, then let's not get hung up on it.

If the HSE delayed vaccinations until they had a perfect IT system set up and ready to go, people would be going mental at the delays. When they move forward with the programme despite IT systems not being rock solid, people criticise them for being a mess. Can't win.

Yes, this is also happening in other countries. No, they are not ultra-slick operations without mistakes happening. No, we are not uniquely served by incompetent public servants.