namloc1980 wrote: » Thankfully the virus takes Sunday off.
astrofool wrote: » How can we give more than 100% of the vaccines we receive?
astrofool wrote: » This is just a stupid comment, the reason Sunday is low is because supply has been used up.
namloc1980 wrote: » Except we had 170k unused in supply on the 21st i.e. Sunday!!
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » 130k is easily justifiable imo.
the kelt wrote: » Is there anything to be said for moving the vaccinations from GP surgeries to community halls or something similar? Maybe its not possible i dont know but its just from my own experience of bringing my father for his vaccination. Two hours it took with 15 mins of that being the wait after the vaccination. But an hour and half of that wait was outside the surgery in the bitter cold. The poor secretary was doing her best trying to get chairs outside for those with walking aids etc but there was old people many not in great health to begin with queing outside in the freezing cold for the bones of 90 mins. All whilst i sat in the car across the road waiting outside a huge bloody community centre thats not being used for anything these days. I did ask could my dad keep his place in the q and sit in the car but the secretary said she couldnt do that which is understandable enough with people coming all the time. Now maybe it isnt possible but surely the likes of that community centre could be used if available? Or has that approach been asked and ruled out?
ACitizenErased wrote: » It's fairly well documented at this stage that the bulk of our vaccinations take place mid week for various different reasons. The shock is ridiculous.
cameramonkey wrote: » The reason generally given is that by the weekend we had run out of supply and were waiting for Monday deliveries.From the number of vaccines supplied there does seem to be vaccines in Irish storage so you would expect that this weekend we can keep vaccine numbers up. If not then it is not a problem with supply but a problem with administering the vaccine.
MerlinSouthDub wrote: » Yes this is the first week since we started vaccinating that we've had an unused supply going into the week (due to AZ issues). Let's see how the week goes.
namloc1980 wrote: » Wrong. Total of 22k Moderna given so far includes a number second doses. So again it begs the question, why are we holding so many back?
namloc1980 wrote: » Less than half the 170k in stock on Sunday were AZ. So can't point the finger entirely at AZ.
Deleted User wrote: » Because we also had a week's worth of AZ built up during the pause. Did you not see any news last week?
astrofool wrote: » I feel with the schools closed, lots of posters ability to do basic maths has disappeared. Anyway: Arranging vaccines takes time per person, but seems to be about 1-2 days, most vaccinations are mid-week as this is the time by which deliveries into the country have occurred, so final numbers are in place, that amount going to each GP has been figured out, and then actually driven to that location to be administered, the GP then usually get through the doses over the few days. There are exceptions to this, such as people who are homebound (visited by GP directly for injection), and the GP rollout happening at the mass vaccination centre which was using Moderna. As the capacity to vaccinate (i.e. the number of vaccinations that can be given by the number of vaccinators involved) is higher than the supply (the number of vaccines available to be shot into peoples arms), this means that the majority of vaccinations are happening during regular work hours throughout the week, rather than 24/7 on Monday/Tuesday and then nothing for the rest of the week. The cycle is weekly and repeats starting from the weekend deliveries. If the deliveries are above forecast, then extra hours are put in on the vaccinating side, if they are below, then they have to figure out which locations get less vaccines, or if it's just a simple haircut for the whole system (which can depend on which cohorts are being vaccinated). The end result is that the system is getting all shots done within the week that the vaccines arrive. AZ being paused will mean there is 2-3 weeks of extra vaccinations happening as all the logistics go into place to get them delivered to the right place and get them into arms, remembering that some were cancelled, and some went ahead using Pfizer, so it's not a simple case of resuming as it was minus 1 week. If we see outstanding vaccines in a couple of weeks from now, then we don't have enough vaccinators, but the current surplus is not unexpected due to the AZ pause and is being worked through quickly, but the entire surplus will not be turned around within a single week.
GLaDOS wrote: » NAAT seems to stand for Nucleic Acid Amplification Test. Which is just another way of saying PCR, as all PCR tests involve amplification of nucleic acid. So its just the standard PCR test, don't worry about the different names. And yes, PCR is molecular, different from antigen detecting.
AdamD wrote: » This is quite condescending. I really don't think its unreasonable to have expected increased vaccination figures for Sunday and Monday given the AZ delay meant we had significantly more doses in storage. This is the biggest issue facing the country, expecting urgency isn't unreasonable. There is no reason why the entire surplus shouldn't be turned around in 7 days. If we can't administer 180k in a week now, how do we expect them to administer 250k in a couple of weeks time? The HSE have done fine so far but it must be noted that the rollout is relatively easy whilst supply is poor. Their job becomes more difficult as supply ramps up and that's when they'll be judged.
astrofool wrote: » It's meant to be condescending, the fact that it needs to be explained to mostly the same people again and again, who usually come back with a "what about X" response, or scream about urgency as if we weren't getting 95% of vaccines into arms on a week by week basis.I'll say it again, as we are supply, not vaccinator limited, the excess will be used up over the course of a few weeks, rather than go into the logistics (which itself will take time) of ramping up vaccinators for a few days in a single week, and then they go idle again. WHEN supply looks like hitting 100k, 150k, 200k, 250k and so on, per week, then vaccinators will also be ramped up accordingly to use that supply as it arrives, this will involve the mass vaccination centres being in use. AND again, when they first open, they won't be open 24/7 so some darlings will post pictures of them not being used, again, this will be down to supply.
astrofool wrote: » It's meant to be condescending, the fact that it needs to be explained to mostly the same people again and again, who usually come back with a "what about X" response, or scream about urgency as if we weren't getting 95% of vaccines into arms on a week by week basis. I'll say it again, as we are supply, not vaccinator limited, the excess will be used up over the course of a few weeks, rather than go into the logistics (which itself will take time) of ramping up vaccinators for a few days in a single week, and then they go idle again. WHEN supply looks like hitting 100k, 150k, 200k, 250k and so on, per week, then vaccinators will also be ramped up accordingly to use that supply as it arrives, this will involve the mass vaccination centres being in use. AND again, when they first open, they won't be open 24/7 so some darlings will post pictures of them not being used, again, this will be down to supply.
NeuralNetwork wrote: » It was the same with a relative of mine in Dublin. She’s in her mid 80s and had to stand outside the GPs along with a whole load of other people, many of whom were barely capable of it. It’s not the south of France or the Costa del Sol where you can just relax in warm weather and really there’s no excuse for putting very elderly people though that kind of hardship. In her case you’re talking about someone who is very feisty and independent but she has mobility problems, difficulties staying warm, often will have layers upon layers of clothes with the central heating cranked right up and she has severe difficulty standing for long periods and no seats were provided at all. I know there’s a national emergency but do we really need to be recreating conditions from WWII. That’s also a generation that tends to put up with stuff rather than call it out too. There are halls, churches, empty venues, empty libraries and shopping centres, offices with huge atriums, big empty bars and all sorts of spaces that could have been used. The same GP will also leave you on hold for anything up to 40 mins waiting to get through to their reception. Even providing a few chairs outside would have been useful!
namloc1980 wrote: » Are you confirmable with the fact that even though we had 170k in stock on Sunday we administered just 7k first doses this Monday gone? You seem happy regardless of what gets administered and always have excuses ready to go.
beggars_bush wrote: » well it takes a few days to send out notices, and to make sure there is a high % of people attending to get the vaccine on their appointment date/time
11521323 wrote: » There's a never-ending stream of excuses on this thread that relieve the HSE of any responsibility here. It's baffling.
crossman47 wrote: » Theres also an endless stream of people who think its as simple as get vaccine into the country today, get it into an arm tomorrow.
AdamD wrote: » Well we can agree to disagree because I'd argue its far more cost-effective for the country to ramp up vaccinators for several days, even if they're idle afterwards, to ensure vaccines aren't left unused. Lockdowns are an economic black hole, the cost of having idle vaccinators is significantly less than the cost of slower rollouts.
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