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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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snotboogie

14k vaccines adminstered on the 19th.leaves us at just under 670k total. Looong way to go to get anywhere close to that million in Q1 and only 12 days to get there.

trellheim

million delivered in Q1, not administered. As I said up-thread, takes about a week.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

14k vaccines adminstered on the 19th.leaves us at just under 670k total. Looong way to go to get anywhere close to that million in Q1 and only 12 days to get there.

1.1m delivered in Q1, with 200k of that arriving from AZ on last day or two of March.

snotboogie

trellheim wrote: »

million delivered in Q1, not administered. As I said up-thread, takes about a week.

900k was what people were guessing. We should see the ramp up soon

tamova

Question on 'severe' asthma (group 4).. I've taken a preventative (seretide) and a responsive (ventolin) enhaler all my life, had a good few severe asthma attacks as a kid, but haven't been getting my prescriptions for the last 2 years because they were expensive and I was getting them through other means.. I started my prescription back up again in Feb..

Not sure if people would know the answer to this but would I a) qualify as 'severe' and b) likely be grouped under Group 4?

ACitizenErased

tamova wrote: »

Question on 'severe' asthma (group 4).. I've taken a preventative (seretide) and a responsive (ventolin) enhaler all my life, had a good few severe asthma attacks as a kid, but haven't been getting my prescriptions for the last 2 years because they were expensive and I was getting them through other means.. I started my prescription back up again in Feb..

Not sure if people would know the answer to this but would I a) qualify as 'severe' and b) likely be grouped under Group 4?

I'm also a seretide user. We're group 7, not group 4.

celt262

tamova wrote: »

Question on 'severe' asthma (group 4).. I've taken a preventative (seretide) and a responsive (ventolin) enhaler all my life, had a good few severe asthma attacks as a kid, but haven't been getting my prescriptions for the last 2 years because they were expensive and I was getting them through other means.. I started my prescription back up again in Feb..

Not sure if people would know the answer to this but would I a) qualify as 'severe' and b) likely be grouped under Group 4?

Ring your doctor.

quartz1

Michael Martin is not in favour of an EU export ban. He is also obviously not in favour of controlling the Airport. He is not in favour of zero Covid ...not in favour of increased contact tracing or scaling up Public Health. Perhaps he is in favour of burying his head in the same while we all suffer wave after wave.

tamova

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm also a seretide user. We're group 7, not group 4.

Aw man your breaking my heart. How do you know this?

odyssey06

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm also a seretide user. We're group 7, not group 4.

Are you sure that even puts you into Group 7?

I thought I read something to the effect that 'systemic corticosteroids' means ones taken as tablets or via injection - rather than inhaler based.

Azatadine

This is interesting too.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/life-saving-nose-spray-that-kills-99-9-of-viruses-begins-production-in-israel/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

mollser

odyssey06 wrote: »

Are you sure that even puts you into Group 7?

I thought I read something to the effect that 'systemic corticosteroids' means ones taken as tablets or via injection - rather than inhaler based.

I recall reading it really only covered asthmatics who have needed to be hospitalised with their asthma. Athmas itself doesn't really put us in the high risk category - partly because there is a thinking that the steroid inhalers are actually quite helpful in protecting against Covid (I read on the internet somewhere

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thecretinhop

jab got galway. super efficient. superb set up id say a hundred an hour being done

ACitizenErased

tamova wrote: »

Aw man your breaking my heart. How do you know this?

Full list here
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/#aged-16-69-and-at-very-high-risk-of-severe-covid-19-disease

odyssey06 wrote: »

Are you sure that even puts you into Group 7?

I thought I read something to the effect that 'systemic corticosteroids' means ones taken as tablets or via injection - rather than inhaler based.

Asthma society of ireland have a definition for severe asthma
https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

You are prescribed any of the medications listed below (to prevent your asthma from becoming ‘uncontrolled’ or that remains ‘uncontrolled’ despite this therapy):
High-strength versions of an inhalers, specifically:
The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Aerivio” (50/500) one puff twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Airflusal” (50/500) one puff twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Bufomix” (320/9) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “DuoResp” (320/9) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Flutiform” (250/10) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Fostair” (200/6) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Relvar” (184/22) one puff daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Sereflo” (25/250) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Seretide” (500/50) one puff twice daily or (250/25) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Sirdupla” (25/250) two puffs twice daily

The high-strength version of an inhaler called “Symbicort” (400/12) two puffs twice daily

tamova

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Full list here
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/#aged-16-69-and-at-very-high-risk-of-severe-covid-19-disease

Asthma society of ireland have a definition for severe asthma
https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

Oh I completely misread the rollout and confused group 7 with group 4. I'd be delighted to get it in group 7 lol. Yuppa asthmatics.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

900k was what people were guessing. We should see the ramp up soon

Realistically, less than that. For a start, they are keeping ~50% Moderna back in reserve. They will keep reserves of the others too.

Deliveries as of 14th March vs target for March 31st/Q1
Pfizer 511,290/690,300 = 74% delivered
Moderna 40,800/109,200 = 37% delivered
AZ 206,400/377,000 = 54% delivered

Doses administered* as of 14th March vs deliveries same week:
Pfizer 468,366/511,290 = 92% administered
Moderna 19,389/40,800 = 48% administered
AZ 124,510/206,400 = 60% administered
*Percentages are probably an underestimate, as there is often a reporting lag.

You can see where they have dependable supply (e.g. Pfizer), they are getting it out as fast as it arrives.

odyssey06

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Full list here
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/#aged-16-69-and-at-very-high-risk-of-severe-covid-19-disease

Asthma society of ireland have a definition for severe asthma
https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

Yes but it's not clear that the Asthma society definition of "severe asthma" is what the vaccine rollout is based on. The gov.ie website is more limited i.e. "continuous or repeated use of systemic corticosteroids" and does not mention high strength versions of inhalers.

funnydoggy

Azatadine wrote: »

This is interesting too.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/life-saving-nose-spray-that-kills-99-9-of-viruses-begins-production-in-israel/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Sounds good, but it says it works within 2 minutes.. The problem is, how do we know when we're exposed to the virus?

Private Joker

funnydoggy wrote: »

Sounds good, but it says it works within 2 minutes.. The problem is, how do we know when we're exposed to the virus?

it also says to use it twice a day for protection.

muddypuppy

JTMan wrote: »

Hungary got supply from outside the EU. Seems like Czech Republic will also get supply outside the EU. Can Ireland get supply from outside the EU? Who know but surely it is worth the Irish government engaging with the Russians and asking in advance of potential EMA approval.

RTE have just posted this piece saying that Russia open to 'no strings attached' vaccine discussion.

Realize Russia are playing games but every little helps with supply.

This is the key quote (full article https://archive.is/GMzU8):

In a subtweet of the Sputnik vaccine’s Twitter post Terence Zakka, Breton’s communication adviser wrote: “Sputnik V pressuring EU officials. The EU already has a full portfolio of safe vaccines and production is ramping up. If EMA approves the Sputnik V vaccines, doses will not be available at large scale before 2022 at the earliest. It’s a fact — not a bias.”

Which is true, so far Hungary is the only EU country to have got some Sputnik and it's very little quantity (less than 100k doses, less than 10% of the total vaccines administered in Hungary), although it seems the supply is slightly ramping up now.

The reality is simple - if one or two small countries were to make an order, they would get a small quantity like 200 or 300k vaccines a month - which for Ireland would be a pretty big boon on vaccinations, at least at the moment. if the EU were to make an order, those doses would have to be distributed to all the EU countries, and even a few millions a month would not make any real difference.

Production of Sputnik is ramping up, but so is production of other vaccines.
This shows that Russia is really only playing political games.

I'm not against having it reviewed by the EMA and placing a order just to bet on yet another horse (worst case, we don't need it and just gift it to poorer countries), but people really need to realize that Russia is not sitting on warehouses of vaccines that could save the EU, if only the EU was not too stubborn to ask for help.

funnydoggy

Private Joker wrote: »

it also says to use it twice a day for protection.

Missed that!

Really interesting

charlie14

Azatadine wrote: »

This is interesting too.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/life-saving-nose-spray-that-kills-99-9-of-viruses-begins-production-in-israel/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hopefully it is as good as claimed, but as the wife remarked once on the Domestos ad that claims to kill 99.9% of germs, they are generally not the problem. It’s the remaining 0.1% that are.

ACitizenErased

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yes but it's not clear that the Asthma society definition of "severe asthma" is what the vaccine rollout is based on. The gov.ie website is more limited i.e. "continuous or repeated use of systemic corticosteroids" and does not mention high strength versions of inhalers.

The inhalers listed are corticosteroids

Dressoutlet

josip wrote: »

Was this actually done or are you assuming it was done by virtue of the age cohorts?
As far as I know, it's standard practice to withhold vaccines etc from elderly patients if their doctor suspects that side effects from the vaccine might tip them over the edge.

No it happened in the beginning. This was when Norway (I think) said people were dying after the vaccine. They then changed it so patients who had days to live no longer received any vaccines.

odyssey06

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The inhalers listed are corticosteroids

Yes but if the corticosteroids are taken via inhalers they may not be considered 'systemic' as far as I can tell - from the limited info available.

timsey tiger

How come if the EU imposes export bans on vaccines the world will end for the EU, but India and the US not so much?

is_that_so

Apogee wrote: »

1.1m delivered in Q1, with 200k of that arriving from AZ on last day or two of March.

Allegedly. Really shouldn't be a seeing is believing scenario but sadly it is.

CIARAN_BOYLE

timsey tiger wrote: »

How come if the EU imposes export bans on vaccines the world will end for the EU, but India and the US not so much?

Well for the Pfizer vaccine we are importing ingredients and component parts from 19 different non EU countries.

USA have fully domestic supply chains. I believe we have a fully EU supply chain for the Astra Zenaca vaccine.

So there's worries that if we stop AZ exporting Britain will ban Pfizer from exporting items in the supply chain to us.

We need to make sure we are only targeting vaccines we have contracts to buy that haven't been delivered so we look more reasonable.

We bought these. You aren't importing it. Your stealing the product we bought.

titan18

The Marburg plant is meant to be fully independent so in if EU blocked AZ vaccines, and UK blocked Pfizer ingredients in retaliation. We'd still get vaccines and UK would be limited to the AZ domestic supply.

Nqp15hhu

Praise the lord! 30,000 vaccinated in Northern Ireland! Was beginning to worry we were lagging behind England! Thank god!