Wolf359f wrote: » It seems only AZ is associated with the rare brain clot. General clotting as a whole is expected, but a rare brain clot in a very localised cluster has only been seen in people vaccinated with AZ. The media seem to be forgetting that fact.
eoinbn wrote: » We can't pause for every possible link when the possible link is flimsy. Right now we are vaccinating at between 5-10m a week in the EU. What happens when we are at 30m a week? There will be more recently vaccinated people dying, for various reasons, and more flimsy links. We really need a handle on this. We need a better reason than 'an abundance of caution'. We need some hard numbers on the reason behind the pause in the rollout.
brickster69 wrote: » Wow, so 10 Million Euro of funding. UK has donated £700 million and pledged all spare vaccines. That is one country compared to 27.
Szero wrote: » Parts of the US are now down to those aged 40+.https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1371830272715546626 The UK is reported to be going to those aged 40+ by Easter. Meanwhile we are on 80+. Books will be written about the slow EU rollout.
feelings wrote: » Ouch, that's some delay. What age? If the EMA announcement on Thursday is positive, I presume they'll recommence the AZ vaccinations here fairly quickly?
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eoinbn wrote: » The news that Pfizer/BioNtech will supply an extra 10m doses hasn't got much attention. Besides the extra doses it seems like a sign that BioNtech's ramp up at their new plant is going to plan. The EU rollout really hedges on that going smoothly.
Sweet.Science wrote: » That's 100k over 3 months to us . Less than 10k a week
RavenBea17b wrote: » Just read a post on twitter vacciworld account. It mentions EMA director we are worried that 'European States' suspensions of AZ vaccine will have an effect on trust in the vaccine. EMA Director - we have received reports of thromboembolic events for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, but the focus is on the AZ vaccine. EMA pharmacovigilance expert :the numbers of post-vaccination thromboembolic events are much lower, much lower than what you'd expect to see in the general population. My query then is, if there are thrombosis events across ALL currently approved vaccines and there ARE why not pause for all vaccine types. study the data, study the circumstances etc. Review the variables.
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josip wrote: » But not before they've vaccinated everyone of their own first. Easy to "pledge" now, how many have they actually given?
The HorsesMouth wrote: » This vaccine rollout out has done more to fuel nationalism than the right wing and far right wing parties could ever have hoped to do. There should have been a concerted effort among the EU, US and UK (at the least) where once vaccines are given to the vulnerable and elderly ( or at least over 60) in home countries, they are then distributed out to countries who have yet to vaccinate their population of the same. It's without question the right thing to do. Instead countries have shown they will put flag and nationalism ahead of the protection of the human race as a whole. I'm in my 30s and I'm fairly sure I will be offered this vaccine before a 70 or 80 year old in most third world countries. What is the point in that? And you could say a similar situation is happening right now except we are not a third world country. A 40 year old is been given the vaccine up the road where the disease poses little or no risk and the reality is someone in their 70s or 80s will probably die somewhere is this country because of this skewed distribution. Where are peoples conscience on this?? The history books will surely look back on this and lament the state of how these governments handled it.
Danzy wrote: » Their vaccine is free to replicate, the EU are blocking poor countries from doing so with vaccines from the block. Talk is cheap and talk fretting about nationalism and the need for solidarity is usually only dinner party talk. Nevermind the EU's funding and donations to help Poor countries. It's so cheap as to be an insult.
robinph wrote: » Who also happen to work in the same hospital. Could be wrong, but if you have something used so widely across a massive population with no issues, but then a couple of cases pop up in one town, in one work place, in people doing the same job... The first thing to look at is locally to see if there is any other link. It is a good reason to suspend vaccination in that town/ hospital temporarily. Its not a good reason to suspend it internationally though.
JTMan wrote: » Biden says the US are talking to several countries on what to do with extra doses. Hopefully this includes the EU/Ireland.https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1371881173702602760
stephenjmcd wrote: » At a guess I'd say Canda will get them first to be honest.
Russman wrote: » You don't think it would be an idea to maybe try to convince them and explain to them why they should take it or why its safe ? Just tough sh1t if you have any doubts buddy, step aside ?
Danzy wrote: » Most of it will go to developing countries first. Though one would presume that Washington and London will give a hand up to the EU. If only to limit the economic damage to themselves.
Tippbhoy1 wrote: » Why should anyone else lose out because someone else required convincing? Will we take a gp off the line for a half hour to rub someone’s back and reassure them? A couple of times a day, slowing the rollout by x amount. If I said that a doctor could administer 5 in an hour, 40 in a day, 240 in a 6 day week, 1000 in a month, but if he needed to convince 10%, x 5000GPs, that’s a lot of delay, sorry bud. “Do some research there for yourself like a good man, if you change your mind come back to us, cheers. Next”
Russman wrote: » Well they’d hardly attend for their shot if they weren’t going to take it. I was referring to a survey/study (I think posted a few pages back or maybe on the other vaccine thread) where GPs in the UK who phoned their reluctant patients were seeing a 70% uptake amongst these patients after a simple phone call and explanation. Hardly rubbing their back for half an hour now is it ?
WoollyRedHat wrote: » Reports that we're in negotiations to do a swap deal, for every american.we allow over, we get one vaccine. Government also in talks to name an actual Plaza after Biden if he throws some vaccines our way.
