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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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iamwhoiam

Gael23 wrote: »

Who’s going to take AZ from now on? Going to take slot of work to win back confidence

Me . I am in group 5 and will take AZ if offered it

ACitizenErased

Gael23 wrote: »

Who’s going to take AZ from now on? Going to take slot of work to win back confidence

i'll take it no bother

robinph

is_that_so wrote: »

I don't think it'll have a huge effect, if you're vaccine hesitant in any way you're not changing your mind. Most others should accept the move on it. I wouldn't push the bad PR too hard as a whole lot of that is hindsight. Like the virus itself the approach has been novel!

Doubt it will make much difference in Ireland, the likes of France have a lot of work to do to get anything in people's arms though. The longer it takes to get them vaccinated the longer it will take to get out of this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/m4vf3c/views_from_a_few_countries_on_the_safety_of_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Gael23

I’m not anti fax in any way but I no longer trust AZ

ACitizenErased

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not anti fax in any way but I no longer trust AZ

why

Vicxas

I'd lick the vaccine off a sweaty boot at this stage

MerlinSouthDub

Moderna starting vaccine trial with children under 12 years old:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/03/16/moderna-starts-covid-19-vaccine-trial-in-kids-younger-than-12-years-old/

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not anti fax in any way but I no longer trust AZ

And why is that ?

I mean no offence here but your not going to have a choice as to which one is offered to you (unless specified by a medical professional that you can't take one of them for whatever reason)

They're all effective vaccines

ACitizenErased

EMA presser at 1pm

https://twitter.com/EMA_News/status/1371792095934091270?s=20

Corholio

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not anti fax in any way but I no longer trust AZ

Listen here, paper based messaging shall return I tell you!

[Deleted User]

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And why is that ?

I mean no offence here but your not going to have a choice as to which one is offered to you (unless specified by a medical professional that you can't take one of them for whatever reason)

They're all effective vaccines

Come on now, personally I will snatch the opportunity to take any vaccine offered but surely you can see why some people will feel uneasy about AZ.

The poor trial design that meant they were short on clear data for efficacy in all age groups and the muddled way they stumbled to the correct dosing regime.

EMA approval dragged out as they sought out "more data".

German media reporting it had no efficacy in seniors.

Macron's "Quasi ineffective" comments.

Most of the EU only approving use in under 70s initially.

Now it's use being suspended (which I completely disagree with).

They are not having a good run of it and for the average person who is consuming this information as it's filtered through the media, it isn't likely to be very reassuring.

Russman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And why is that ?

I mean no offence here but your not going to have a choice as to which one is offered to you (unless specified by a medical professional that you can't take one of them for whatever reason)

They're all effective vaccines

Just on that, by the time the last couple of cohorts are being done, do you think there will be any element of choice ? We could be overflowing with vaccines by then in theory. Could it evolve into Mass Vaccination Centre A is dishing out Pfizer and Moderna, Centre B has, say, Pfizer only, your GP has AZ & Janssen etc ?

ixoy

Deleted User wrote: »

They are not having a good run of it and for the average person who is consuming this information as it's filtered through the media, it isn't likely to be very reassuring.

On the other hand, people are praising the UK where it's been heavily used so perhaps they'll go, "Well it does seem to be working over there.."

astrofool

Russman wrote: »

Just on that, by the time the last couple of cohorts are being done, do you think there will be any element of choice ? We could be overflowing with vaccines by then in theory. Could it evolve into Mass Vaccination Centre A is dishing out Pfizer and Moderna, Centre B has, say, Pfizer only, your GP has AZ & Janssen etc ?

I'd say they'll do all they can to limit picking and choosing, all vaccines will be used, any excess will start being supplied to other countries.

It's not a good look having some Irish eejit dithering over taking proven vaccines while vulnerable in Asia and Africa get nothing.

Call me Al

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well you've to schedule people in again & then distribute supplies, can't start that process until Thursday or Friday once they get the go ahead so yeah it'll be over the weekend into early next week.

I really question this approach.
It shouldn't take all weekend to get this organised our supply chains should already be in place and there are 24 hours in a day.
This is a vaccine that can be stored in a regular fridge so the logistics of distribution aren't as onerous or cumbersome as Pfizer. We were able to mobilise the army last April to help with testing, they can help with this too..
Issue appointments on Friday for those already registered online and waiting. Otherwise we have have 30k shots sitting in fridges doing nothing and delaying things even further.

I seriously question any shrug of the shoulders by the HSE here on this. They don't seem to want to try. I am a patient person and usually have a lot of sympathy but this attitude is really really vexing.

[Deleted User]

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not anti fax in any way but I no longer trust AZ

I am anti fax. With email its essentially obsolete

robinph

Russman wrote: »

Just on that, by the time the last couple of cohorts are being done, do you think there will be any element of choice ? We could be overflowing with vaccines by then in theory. Could it evolve into Mass Vaccination Centre A is dishing out Pfizer and Moderna, Centre B has, say, Pfizer only, your GP has AZ & Janssen etc ?

No, because the mass vaccine centers won't be needed anymore, most of the staff volunteering at them will be back in their day jobs and you'll have to book with the gp and take whatever they have in the fridge.

Le Bruise

Deleted User wrote: »

Come on now, personally I will snatch the opportunity to take any vaccine offered but surely you can see why some people will feel uneasy about AZ.

The poor trial design that meant they were short on clear data for efficacy in all age groups and the muddied way they stumbled to the correct dosing regime.

EMA approval dragged out as they sought out "more data".

German media reporting it had no efficacy in seniors.

Macron's "Quasi ineffective" comments.

Most of the EU only approving use in under 70s initially.

Now it's use being suspended (which I completely disagree with).

They are not having a good run of it and for the average person who is consuming this information as it's filtered through the media, it isn't likely to be very reassuring.

Agreed that the average person who only follows snippets of the news may have concerns about AZ now. But the poster who said they don't trust it has been following this thread for months!

odyssey06

astrofool wrote: »

I'd say they'll do all they can to limit picking and choosing, all vaccines will be used, any excess will start being supplied to other countries.
It's not a good look having some Irish eejit dithering over taking proven vaccines while vulnerable in Asia and Africa get nothing.

When I read this first I thought you were talking about Joe 'Mayo' Biden

astrofool

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not anti fax in any way but I no longer trust AZ

Honestly, based on your posting history, I would have had you in the anti-vaxxer camp and liable to make such a statement to spread FUD about vaccines.

Maybe others have a different opinion

brickster69

Deleted User wrote: »

Come on now, personally I will snatch the opportunity to take any vaccine offered but surely you can see why some people will feel uneasy about AZ.

The poor trial design that meant they were short on clear data for efficacy in all age groups and the muddled way they stumbled to the correct dosing regime.

EMA approval dragged out as they sought out "more data".

German media reporting it had no efficacy in seniors.

Macron's "Quasi ineffective" comments.

Most of the EU only approving use in under 70s initially.

And how many lives has that decision cost to the most at risk ?

No mention of that eh ? Anyone want to guess ?

[Deleted User]

brickster69 wrote: »

And how many lives has that decision cost to the most at risk ?

No mention of that eh ? Anyone want to guess ?

I don't think there is any point guessing really, but it has inevitably cost lives. That's why I disagree with the current suspension being applied on the "precautionary principle", it's seems to be a misunderstanding of the principle given we know how many people are currently being infected and have therefore a good idea of how many will become seriously ill or die.

I would have thought the application of such a principle (during a period where infection was still fairly rampant) would encourage continued use, until more substantial evidence of any danger was available.

Gael23

How many of these new Pfizer doses will we get?

mick087

Le Bruise wrote: »

Agreed that the average person who only follows snippets of the news may have concerns about AZ now. But the poster who said they don't trust it has been following this thread for months!

That's absolutely fine if someone don't trust a particular vaccine.

Once they don't hold up the queue up for those who will take it i see no reason to worry.

Maybe for them who wish to pick and choose which vaccine they would like to take, arrangements could be made for them after everyone else on the planet have been vaccinated.

brickster69

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think there is any point guessing really, but it has inevitably cost lives. That's why I disagree with the current suspension being applied on the "precautionary principle", it's seems to be a misunderstanding of the principle given we know how many people are currently being infected and have therefore a good idea of how many will become seriously ill or die.

I would have thought the application of such a principle (during a period where infection was still fairly rampant) would encourage continued use, until more substantial evidence of any danger was available.

It will of cost hundreds of lives if not thousands. While countries were vaccinating postmen the old died needlessly. Can you imagine, millions of old people in Europe are now left unprotected as the Uk variant rips through those states.

Sparko

Gael23 wrote: »

How many of these new Pfizer doses will we get?

110,000. 1.1% of the increased delivery.

Russman

mick087 wrote: »

That's absolutely fine if someone don't trust a particular vaccine.

Once they don't hold up the queue up for those who will take it i see no reason to worry.

Maybe for them who wish to pick and choose which vaccine they would like to take, arrangements could be made for them after everyone else on the planet have been vaccinated.

You don't think it would be an idea to maybe try to convince them and explain to them why they should take it or why its safe ?
Just tough sh1t if you have any doubts buddy, step aside ?

is_that_so

The condition of concern is called thrombocytopenia, in which people do not make enough platelets.

Thrombocytopenia usually has no symptoms and is picked up on a routine complete blood count. Some individuals with thrombocytopenia may experience external bleeding such as nosebleeds, or bleeding gums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrombocytopenia

astrofool

Russman wrote: »

You don't think it would be an idea to maybe try to convince them and explain to them why they should take it or why its safe ?
Just tough sh1t if you have any doubts buddy, step aside ?

That is likely what will happen, there will be public information advertising, nurses and doctors will talk them through it, and information leaflets will be made available.

If they're still not going ahead after that, "tough sh1t, step aside buddy".

is_that_so

China has approved a new Covid vaccine for emergency use, the fifth one.

The latest vaccine was developed jointly by Anhui Zhifei Longcom Biopharmaceutical and the Chinese Academy of Sciences. The team finished phase 1 and phase 2 clinical trials in October and is currently conducting the last phase of trials in Uzbekistan, Pakistan and Indonesia, according to the statement.

The vaccine was approved for use in Uzbekistan on 1 March. It’s a three-dose shot that is spaced out with one month each between shots