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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Jinglejangle69

ACitizenErased wrote: »

group 4 is "Other HCWs not in direct patient contact"

And anyone who works for the HSE is a healthcare worker, by the way

Maintenance Contractors work for the HSE.

Are they deemed a healthcare worker?

dan786

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I heard first hand today of HSE admin staff working in offices and nowhere near hospitals or patients were vaccinated today .
A kick in the teeth for those badly in need of a vaccine

The current HSE portal is open to all staff including Admin/Clerical and management who are WFH, it does not matter if they are patient facing or not. They are considered health care workers.

ACitizenErased

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Maintenance Contractors work for the HSE.

Are they deemed a healthcare worker?

A contractor? Obviously not. They don't work for the HSE, they're contracted to provide a service. They're not employed by the HSE.

[Deleted User]

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Maintenance Contractors work for the HSE.

Are they deemed a healthcare worker?

Those ventilators work well without being maintained. And who needs lights in the OR anyway

Goldengirl

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Pfizer:

Dose 1: Got it on a Monday, was fine for the week with just a slightly sore arm (which I managed to whack off a doorframe twice) but on the Thursday evening, Friday, Saturday and Sunday I was really quite fatigued. Was fine after taking it easy for a few days.

Dose 2: Monday 3 weeks later. Was actually fine mostly with it. A little feverish (read: warm) for an evening a few days after but overall fine.

A few people at work took a day off after Dose 2 because of headaches or a night of fever or a day in bed.

But everyone agreed that any of the side effects were better than getting COVID and the legion of unknowns that come with that.

Oh absolutely.
I post just to inform but hope not put people off !

Whatever I had last March was the worst dose I have EVER had and I know people since , my age and younger , who have been very unwell with it , and some are still .
Most of us have avoided hospital bar one who came home two days later terrified , and on oxygen .
I could not walk around our house or upstairs without getting breathless and coming out in a cold sweat for at least four weeks from the start of it .
Should have antibody testing when it became available, but let it go ...
I was recovered by end of April / beginning of May but didn't go back to my regular duty till June .

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In what way?
Why would they not vaccinate some of the HSE?

The person I know is 32 years old in fine health . He works in an office with no contact with the public whatsoever

There are vulnerable people out there waiting months for a vaccine so I think personally he and his colleagues could have waited a while . Just my opinion and it seems a bit unfair to me simply because his employer is the HSE

ACitizenErased

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The person I know is 32 years old in fine health . He works in an office with no contact with the public whatsoever

There are vulnerable people out there waiting months for a vaccine so I think personally he and his colleagues could have waited a while . Just my opinion and it seems a bit unfair to me simply because his employer is the HSE

They're not even getting the same vaccine as vulnerable people so what difference does it make?

dan786

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A contractor? Obviously not. They don't work for the HSE, they're contracted to provide a service. They're not employed by the HSE.

A contractor providing essential service to the HSE is being considered a healthcare worker in this case.

iamwhoiam

dan786 wrote: »

The current HSE portal is open to all staff including Admin/Clerical and management who are WFH, it does not matter if they are patient facing or not. They are considered health care workers.

Seems daft to me when there are far more deserving waiting months

Goldengirl

funnydoggy wrote: »

TBH I didn't even read it! She just sent it in panic and I rolled my eyes. Thanks lol

Haha, are you my son ?

ACitizenErased

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Seems daft to me when there are far more deserving waiting months

I'm a vulnerable person in group 7 and I have zero issue with it tbh.

funnydoggy

Goldengirl wrote: »

Haha, are you my son ?

Scared me there for a second, as I know she reads boards sometimes.. but wouldn't know how to register an account

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They're not even getting the same vaccine as vulnerable people so what difference does it make?

Do we know yet what vaccine carers of vulnerable people are getting ? Or indeed do we know what vaccine 65- 70 are getting ? I would have thought they were more deserving than a healthy 32 year old

I know for a fact that some firefighters are not yet vaccinated either by the way

dan786

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The person I know is 32 years old in fine health . He works in an office with no contact with the public whatsoever

There are vulnerable people out there waiting months for a vaccine so I think personally he and his colleagues could have waited a while . Just my opinion and it seems a bit unfair to me simply because his employer is the HSE

I am in late 20s, healthy and dont work for HSE but a private company. I do not face patients either but am getting vaccinated Sunday. I have been offered vaccine by two hospitals today.

Anyone who is involved in the healthcare setup is being considered a healthcare worker.

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a vulnerable person in group 7 and I have zero issue with it tbh.

Glad you are ok with it . I would imagine not everyone is though

iamwhoiam

dan786 wrote: »

I am in late 20s, healthy and dont work for HSE but a private company. I do not face patients either but am getting vaccinated Sunday. I have been offered vaccine by two hospitals today.

Anyone who is involved in the healthcare setup is being considered a healthcare worker.

Thanks for the information . Glad you are sorted but still find it unfair on others waiting who are more vulnerable
No reflection on you but on the people making those decisions

Turtwig

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The people I know are admin staff , working in offices fir the HSE . No patient contact ever in any form
Group 4 are “ other healthcare workers “
These are admin not healthcare workers

Alot of admin staff have routine contact with medical staff and patients. Many patients are themselves high risk. It's a no brainer that you want to vaccinate the admin staff cohort to both shield medical staff and patients, and also minimise risk of personnel shortages. The time taken to delineate which staff have higher proportions of contact simply isn't worth it. Far easier to vaccinate anyone in the group willing to take it when offered.

[Deleted User]

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a vulnerable person in group 7 and I have zero issue with it tbh.

Not wanting to pry ACE, but are you sure you are in group 7? I know someone very well who is a pretty severe asthmatic but believes that because the condition has not required hospitalisation since they were a child, the won’t be included in group 7

iamwhoiam

Turtwig wrote: »

Alot of admin staff have routine contact with medical staff and patients. Many patients are themselves high risk. It's a no brainer that you want to vaccinate the admin staff cohort to both shield medical staff and patients, and also minimise risk of personnel shortages. The time taken to delineate which staff have higher proportions of contact simply isn't worth it. Far easier to vaccinate anyone in the group willing to take it when offered.

I understand that rational , thank you for pointing it out . It’s difficult to see the thought process when you have vulnerable family members waiting I guess

ACitizenErased

Deleted User wrote: »

Not wanting to pry ACE, but are you sure you are in group 7? I know someone very well who is a pretty severe asthmatic but believes that because the condition has not required hospitalisation since they were a child, the won’t be included in group 7

Yup, group 7.

Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease; cancer; down syndrome; history of organ transplant; sickle cell disease.

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understand that rational , thank you for pointing it out . It’s difficult to see the thought process when you have vulnerable family members waiting I guess

I have a two young family members in group 7 . They will wait months while one of their friends who works in an office is vaccinated . It’s difficult for them and me to then try to rationalise it

Goldengirl

dan786 wrote: »

The current HSE portal is open to all staff including Admin/Clerical and management who are WFH, it does not matter if they are patient facing or not. They are considered health care workers.

It makes sense otherwise it will never be possible to reopen healthcare services fully , including these staff.
There would be oh so and so hasn't had her vacc yet so we can't do this yet and it would be messy.

However some patient facing staff have been missed and need to be prioritised.

Some were unwell with Covid or out because of close contact , and couldn't be vaccinated at the time every one of their colleagues were getting done

Wolf359f

Sconsey wrote: »

I know at one point they say 1 Million people but I would guess it actually doses...which would be half a million per month, so roughly 10 months (or September) to get everyone.

1 million doses a month wont just mean half a million will get a their first and second dose, it will be closer to ~300k people getting their second dose and ~700k getting their first dose. The ratio maybe more because of AZ 12 week dosing regime.

Goldengirl

funnydoggy wrote: »

Scared me there for a second, as I know she reads boards sometimes.. but wouldn't know how to register an account

You gave me a bit of a turn there for a minute

[Deleted User]

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yup, group 7.

Good to know ACE. They are in the same boat. Seemed to have read it as and rather than or hospitalisations

ACitizenErased

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to know ACE. They are in the same boat. Seemed to have read it as and rather than or hospitalisations

I know for a fact I'd be screwed if I got COVID so I'd be demanding either way

:D:D

wandererz

wandererz wrote: »

86 year old recent former cancer & stroke patient just got an appointment date of Easter Friday!!!

Over 85's are first in line, but... 6 weeks!!

Doesn't bode well for everyone else anytime soon!

Apologies to all. There was some confusion.
Communication could be better especially considering older people.
Received vaccination today and next in one month's time.

So, things are progressing to plan!

iamwhoiam

wandererz wrote: »

Apologies to all. There was some confusion.
Communication could be better especially considering older people.
Received vaccination today and next in one month's time.

So, things are progressing to plan!

Good news !

Wolf359f

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have a two young family members in group 7 . They will wait months while one of their friends who works in an office is vaccinated . It’s difficult for them and me to then try to rationalise it

I'm in group 7 and I have no issue in HSE staff getting dosed ahead of me, even if they work in an office. As for those WFH HSE staff, if them getting dosed can get them back into work to help sort out the mess that will be coming ahead in regard to catching up on elective surgery and the likes, I'm all for that.

We're getting to a point where all the manufacturers are scaling up deliveries and if you start getting into the debate about who in the HSE should get it and who should wait their turn.... it will slow down the rollout.

It's easier to just take the HSE payroll and pump out a list and vaccinate them. Job done.

I don't know the plan for the HSE and staff coming back into work after WFH. Maybe it will be, once you're fully vaccinated, it's safe to return back. As they will mainly be taking AZ, it will be over 3 months until they are fully vaccinated, so them getting their first dose early may make it easier getting them all back working sooner and a more coordinated return.

Water John

wandererz wrote: »

Apologies to all. There was some confusion.
Communication could be better especially considering older people.
Received vaccination today and next in one month's time.

So, things are progressing to plan!

Good to hear. Thanks for returning here and giving this update, I appreciate that.