COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Goldengirl wrote: »

My husband would be in that group too .
But as he said it makes no difference to him as once he goes into hospital or yo any clinic he wants to be sure that there us noone working in the place from nurse to admin to porter who can be infectious.

The fact that we don't know for definite whether that is totally true or not is not something I want to get into with him , as am glad he is being so altruistic and positive !

I agree with him . Just bothered me today to hear of this strapping 32 year old who is miles away from any patients and will never see one , being vaccinated !!
He works purely in admin processing forms but it is what it is and no point getting upset

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understand that rational , thank you for pointing it out . It’s difficult to see the thought process when you have vulnerable family members waiting I guess

My husband would be in that group too .
But as he said it makes no difference to him as once he goes into hospital or yo any clinic he wants to be sure that there us noone working in the place from nurse to admin to porter who can be infectious.

The fact that we don't know for definite whether that is totally true or not is not something I want to get into with him , as am glad he is being so altruistic and positive !

Edit. I get you though. Your children are different . He is an adult and can be rationalising it for himself...I think

wheresthebeef

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Maintenance Contractors work for the HSE.

Are they deemed a healthcare worker?

There actually are a lot of contractors employed within the HSE who have contact with patients and have to work in close proximity - think contracted Security/Porters, Cleaners, Catering and so on. Those people need to be vaccinated.

You could also have less obvious ones like technical professions - plumbers, engineers, IT who keep the show on the road.

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Goldengirl wrote: »

Oh absolutely.
I post just to inform but hope not put people off !

Whatever I had last March was the worst dose I have EVER had and I know people since , my age and younger , who have been very unwell with it , and some are still .
Most of us have avoided hospital bar one who came home two days later terrified , and on oxygen .
I could not walk around our house or upstairs without getting breathless and coming out in a cold sweat for at least four weeks from the start of it .
Should have antibody testing when it became available, but let it go ...
I was recovered by end of April / beginning of May but didn't go back to my regular duty till June .

It’s like the body said, oh no, not you again and prepared for the worst after the vaccine. Heard similar from a nurse I know who was off sick last March for other reasons and breezed through both doses with little other than a sore arm. While a handful of colleagues who worked through the spring had varying degrees of more unpleasant symptoms.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do we know yet what vaccine carers of vulnerable people are getting ? Or indeed do we know what vaccine 65- 70 are getting ? I would have thought they were more deserving than a healthy 32 year old

I know for a fact that some firefighters are not yet vaccinated either by the way

There is no doubt it has been handied badly in a lot of places .

It is largely down to the limited supply I think.
If it could have been given like in UK in large swathes , at one go , it would have been cleaner.
But then people would have been complaining about waiting for the larger vaccine shipments to be accrued.
I do think more of an effort should be made to ensure patient facing staff are prioritised , to repeat my previous post .

Water John

wandererz wrote: »

Apologies to all. There was some confusion.
Communication could be better especially considering older people.
Received vaccination today and next in one month's time.

So, things are progressing to plan!

Good to hear. Thanks for returning here and giving this update, I appreciate that.

Wolf359f

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have a two young family members in group 7 . They will wait months while one of their friends who works in an office is vaccinated . It’s difficult for them and me to then try to rationalise it

I'm in group 7 and I have no issue in HSE staff getting dosed ahead of me, even if they work in an office. As for those WFH HSE staff, if them getting dosed can get them back into work to help sort out the mess that will be coming ahead in regard to catching up on elective surgery and the likes, I'm all for that.

We're getting to a point where all the manufacturers are scaling up deliveries and if you start getting into the debate about who in the HSE should get it and who should wait their turn.... it will slow down the rollout.

It's easier to just take the HSE payroll and pump out a list and vaccinate them. Job done.

I don't know the plan for the HSE and staff coming back into work after WFH. Maybe it will be, once you're fully vaccinated, it's safe to return back. As they will mainly be taking AZ, it will be over 3 months until they are fully vaccinated, so them getting their first dose early may make it easier getting them all back working sooner and a more coordinated return.

wandererz wrote: »

Apologies to all. There was some confusion.
Communication could be better especially considering older people.
Received vaccination today and next in one month's time.

So, things are progressing to plan!

Good news !

wandererz

wandererz wrote: »

86 year old recent former cancer & stroke patient just got an appointment date of Easter Friday!!!

Over 85's are first in line, but... 6 weeks!!

Doesn't bode well for everyone else anytime soon!

Apologies to all. There was some confusion.
Communication could be better especially considering older people.
Received vaccination today and next in one month's time.

So, things are progressing to plan!

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to know ACE. They are in the same boat. Seemed to have read it as and rather than or hospitalisations

I know for a fact I'd be screwed if I got COVID so I'd be demanding either way

:D:D

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yup, group 7.

Good to know ACE. They are in the same boat. Seemed to have read it as and rather than or hospitalisations

funnydoggy wrote: »

Scared me there for a second, as I know she reads boards sometimes.. but wouldn't know how to register an account

You gave me a bit of a turn there for a minute

Wolf359f

Sconsey wrote: »

I know at one point they say 1 Million people but I would guess it actually doses...which would be half a million per month, so roughly 10 months (or September) to get everyone.

1 million doses a month wont just mean half a million will get a their first and second dose, it will be closer to ~300k people getting their second dose and ~700k getting their first dose. The ratio maybe more because of AZ 12 week dosing regime.

dan786 wrote: »

The current HSE portal is open to all staff including Admin/Clerical and management who are WFH, it does not matter if they are patient facing or not. They are considered health care workers.

It makes sense otherwise it will never be possible to reopen healthcare services fully , including these staff.
There would be oh so and so hasn't had her vacc yet so we can't do this yet and it would be messy.

However some patient facing staff have been missed and need to be prioritised.

Some were unwell with Covid or out because of close contact , and couldn't be vaccinated at the time every one of their colleagues were getting done

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understand that rational , thank you for pointing it out . It’s difficult to see the thought process when you have vulnerable family members waiting I guess

I have a two young family members in group 7 . They will wait months while one of their friends who works in an office is vaccinated . It’s difficult for them and me to then try to rationalise it

Deleted User wrote: »

Not wanting to pry ACE, but are you sure you are in group 7? I know someone very well who is a pretty severe asthmatic but believes that because the condition has not required hospitalisation since they were a child, the won’t be included in group 7

Yup, group 7.

Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease; cancer; down syndrome; history of organ transplant; sickle cell disease.

Turtwig wrote: »

Alot of admin staff have routine contact with medical staff and patients. Many patients are themselves high risk. It's a no brainer that you want to vaccinate the admin staff cohort to both shield medical staff and patients, and also minimise risk of personnel shortages. The time taken to delineate which staff have higher proportions of contact simply isn't worth it. Far easier to vaccinate anyone in the group willing to take it when offered.

I understand that rational , thank you for pointing it out . It’s difficult to see the thought process when you have vulnerable family members waiting I guess

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a vulnerable person in group 7 and I have zero issue with it tbh.

Not wanting to pry ACE, but are you sure you are in group 7? I know someone very well who is a pretty severe asthmatic but believes that because the condition has not required hospitalisation since they were a child, the won’t be included in group 7

Turtwig

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The people I know are admin staff , working in offices fir the HSE . No patient contact ever in any form
Group 4 are “ other healthcare workers “
These are admin not healthcare workers

Alot of admin staff have routine contact with medical staff and patients. Many patients are themselves high risk. It's a no brainer that you want to vaccinate the admin staff cohort to both shield medical staff and patients, and also minimise risk of personnel shortages. The time taken to delineate which staff have higher proportions of contact simply isn't worth it. Far easier to vaccinate anyone in the group willing to take it when offered.

dan786 wrote: »

I am in late 20s, healthy and dont work for HSE but a private company. I do not face patients either but am getting vaccinated Sunday. I have been offered vaccine by two hospitals today.

Anyone who is involved in the healthcare setup is being considered a healthcare worker.

Thanks for the information . Glad you are sorted but still find it unfair on others waiting who are more vulnerable
No reflection on you but on the people making those decisions

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a vulnerable person in group 7 and I have zero issue with it tbh.

Glad you are ok with it . I would imagine not everyone is though

dan786

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The person I know is 32 years old in fine health . He works in an office with no contact with the public whatsoever

There are vulnerable people out there waiting months for a vaccine so I think personally he and his colleagues could have waited a while . Just my opinion and it seems a bit unfair to me simply because his employer is the HSE

I am in late 20s, healthy and dont work for HSE but a private company. I do not face patients either but am getting vaccinated Sunday. I have been offered vaccine by two hospitals today.

Anyone who is involved in the healthcare setup is being considered a healthcare worker.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They're not even getting the same vaccine as vulnerable people so what difference does it make?

Do we know yet what vaccine carers of vulnerable people are getting ? Or indeed do we know what vaccine 65- 70 are getting ? I would have thought they were more deserving than a healthy 32 year old

I know for a fact that some firefighters are not yet vaccinated either by the way

funnydoggy

Goldengirl wrote: »

Haha, are you my son ?

Scared me there for a second, as I know she reads boards sometimes.. but wouldn't know how to register an account

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Seems daft to me when there are far more deserving waiting months

I'm a vulnerable person in group 7 and I have zero issue with it tbh.

funnydoggy wrote: »

TBH I didn't even read it! She just sent it in panic and I rolled my eyes. Thanks lol

Haha, are you my son ?

dan786 wrote: »

The current HSE portal is open to all staff including Admin/Clerical and management who are WFH, it does not matter if they are patient facing or not. They are considered health care workers.

Seems daft to me when there are far more deserving waiting months

dan786

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A contractor? Obviously not. They don't work for the HSE, they're contracted to provide a service. They're not employed by the HSE.

A contractor providing essential service to the HSE is being considered a healthcare worker in this case.