The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

Enquiring wrote: »

You are still trying so hard to erase history but the 2 decades of funding cannot be ignored. Obviously because it gave Dublin a 2 decade head start and also because it led to an increase in titles won by Dublin which lead to increased sponsorship. 1.5 million in sponsorship in 2016 for example and it's gone up since then.

This is why Dublin must be split, if only people within the GAA and Dublin GAA were interested in fair play from the start of this century. They weren't though so its left Usain this position.

So splitting Dublin helps Longford, Leitrim and Louth now how? Are they suddenly contenders for a provincial or All Ireland or do your interest lie in your own county and giving them a better chance to win an All Ireland to hell with the smaller weaker ones

Your view of the world seems very simplistic

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I'm raging that it wasn't addressed the day dublin originally got given this massive advantage about 15 years previous. The GAA murdered one of the biggest rivalries it had. Dublin v meath matches were epic. And we are still at a disadvantage to dublin in every way so the chances of ever closing the gap because we get more per head is tiny.

I'm raging even more though that other counties are still forgotten by the GAA. I don't want meath and Kildare prioritised, I want everyone. And I want a spacial multi million project to save hurling pushed into other leinster counties. Huge potential to grow the sport but sadly we're not called Dublin.

Well thats good to know, I agree there needs to be a national strategy and the power taken from the inept county boards

I presume you dont want Dublin split so?

kilns wrote: »

Got, thats the important word in your statement. They dont now. In fact your county has received substantial increases in funding, from 2017 to 2018 it roses 30% and now Meath receive more games development funding per child than Dublin.

I am sure you now happy that the issue has been addressed in that regard

You are still trying so hard to erase history but the 2 decades of funding cannot be ignored. Obviously because it gave Dublin a 2 decade head start and also because it led to an increase in titles won by Dublin which lead to increased sponsorship. 1.5 million in sponsorship in 2016 for example and it's gone up since then.

This is why Dublin must be split, if only people within the GAA and Dublin GAA were interested in fair play from the start of this century. They weren't though so its left Usain this position.

kilns wrote: »

Got, thats the important word in your statement. They dont now. In fact your county has received substantial increases in funding, from 2017 to 2018 it roses 30% and now Meath receive more games development funding per child than Dublin.

I am sure you now happy that the issue has been addressed in that regard

I'm raging that it wasn't addressed the day dublin originally got given this massive advantage about 15 years previous. The GAA murdered one of the biggest rivalries it had. Dublin v meath matches were epic. And we are still at a disadvantage to dublin in every way so the chances of ever closing the gap because we get more per head is tiny.

I'm raging even more though that other counties are still forgotten by the GAA. I don't want meath and Kildare prioritised, I want everyone. And I want a spacial multi million project to save hurling pushed into other leinster counties. Huge potential to grow the sport but sadly we're not called Dublin.

kilns wrote: »

I wouldnt bother, that poster pulls things out of his arse and then avoids answering when pulled up on it

Ah another return poster. You dropped out earlier when you couldn't counter any facts raised. Can you help your buddy out with the post above in relation to the Dublin county board accounts?

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Has anybody explained how grossly over funding dublin and under funding everybody else for 2 decades gets anybody bar dublin closer to winning anything?

So now that counties like Meath are being overfunded compared to Dublin, we should see Meath improving and becoming more competitive in the future right?

tritium

RoyalCelt wrote: »

GAA was in more danger in Antrim and got no special treatment. Is it too hard to admit dublin got unfair funding which has resulted in a far better gaa outlook in your county compared to others? It's directly affecting results and will for decades to come.

This tired aul ****e again

Funny at how ye all care about poor wee ulster all of a sudden. When you thought there was mileage in it it was all poor Leinster, how that that’s run out of gas it’s poor ulster and won’t someone think of the children. Pathetic really. Ulster at the start of the funding was actually consistently performing. From the figures I posed earlier you can see that 3 AI winning counties were in ulstersince the 90s which had become the only real bulwark to absolute Kerry domination- without tyrones influence Kerry would have had a 6 in a row at least and possibly an 8 in a row

Since you care so much about poor wee ulster you’ll love this though

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaelfast-156749

The GAA looking to applying the lessons from the dublin plan to another large population centre. I can’t wait to have some of you on here in a few years whinging about how we need to split Antrim

ShyMets wrote: »

So has anyone explained how splitting Dublin gets the likes of Waterford, Antrim & Leitrim closer to winning a provincial title

Has anybody explained how grossly over funding dublin and under funding everybody else for 2 decades gets anybody bar dublin closer to winning anything?

ooter wrote: »

Was geezer getting paid when he was at the wheel in Kildare?

Probably no more then the cuala manager.

Enquiring wrote: »

Some clubs have 2 full time coaches and other positions overseeing it all, like a coaching director. There are many clubs in Dublin with the finance and set up that dwarfs a lot of counties.

name these clubs, the biggest club in Dublin catering for a serious number of kids have two full time coaches.

As is the norm with every club, there is a committee who oversees the coaches and whom they report to

RoyalCelt wrote: »

GAA was in more danger in Antrim and got no special treatment. Is it too hard to admit dublin got unfair funding which has resulted in a far better gaa outlook in your county compared to others? It's directly affecting results and will for decades to come.

Got, thats the important word in your statement. They dont now. In fact your county has received substantial increases in funding, from 2017 to 2018 it roses 30% and now Meath receive more games development funding per child than Dublin.

I am sure you now happy that the issue has been addressed in that regard

Bambi wrote: »

Name the clubs

Name the counties

Give the differences in finances

I wouldnt bother, that poster pulls things out of his arse and then avoids answering when pulled up on it

tritium wrote: »

Because they were in real danger of being lost to the GAA if something wasn’t done to develop the game amongst the kids in dublin

GAA was in more danger in Antrim and got no special treatment. Is it too hard to admit dublin got unfair funding which has resulted in a far better gaa outlook in your county compared to others? It's directly affecting results and will for decades to come.

tritium

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Funding per player is now no use. As I explained on a post about small club finances co-founding is not an options. Dublin GAA should be expected to fund there own coaches at this stage. 50-90% funding of coaches into schools and clubs should be targeted at the rest of the country for the next 10-years

That’s a bit self serving to your argument don’t you think? The reverse point of view is that if you have 1 GPO for a group of 100 kids and 1 GPO for a group of 1000 kids the second group only have access to 1/10 of the GAA resources that the first group do. That was part the problem they were trying to address in dublin.

Looking at the numbers 230 put of 300 are outside dublin, or 77%, well within you 50-80% request. That assumes all gpds cost roughly the same to the GAA other counties go half the way dublin do

I wonder too how so many gpds don’t boost the spend in other counties- does anyone know if the spend is accounted for in the same way or is for example some of it provincial rather than county level?

I really don’t get why co funding isn’t an option either? It really feels like more of the poor mouth stuff

I’d also note the figures are a little old at this point. I believe for example the rest if Leinster have 36 additional personnel in the last couple of years though I’d have to dig out a source for that

Edit: looking at the below if does appear counties have access to GDAs in some aort of arrangement with the provincial setup

https://munster.gaa.ie/2019/10/job-posting-games-development-administrator-kerry-gaa/

Bambi wrote: »

Name the clubs

Name the counties

Give the differences in finances

Ah it's yourself! Remember you were demanding figures earlier in the thread as well? You disappeared when I provided them for you.

Let's get some answers on that first. The Dublin county board accounts for 2016 state that Dublin pay over 2 million in wages and salaries every year. They received sponsorship money of over 1.5 million in 2016. They also had a team expenses figure of over 1.5 million. Administrative expenses of 1.1 million, other expenses of 1.1 million.

Did you manage to find any other county that comes close to that level?

ClanofLams

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

dublins reign wont last and what exactly is competitive anyway?

The confidence this is repeatedly stated with by many on here is based on absolutely nothing. In fact, if one looks at the data posted earlier in the thread in terms of player numbers and the growing gap the last three championships reflect, the likelihood that Dublin's dominance will continue is very very high.

Bass Reeves

awaywithyou wrote: »

absolutely no way should coaches be made redundant.... i for one dont have a problem with the funding dublin gaa has access to from central council.. my issue is it is completely wrong for the parent company to be handing out money galore to one of its 32 counties... while giving the rest peanuts... that is not dublins fault... the other 31 counties would want to grow a backbone and let the GAA know that either they get the same funding per player or they are withdrawing their teams from competition.... it is completely completely wrong for central council to show favouritism to one of its memebers over the others.... The issue has nothing to do with dublin... the other 31 counties should be having a go at John Horan Tom Ryan etc... not John Costello

Funding per player is now no use. As I explained on a post about small club finances co-founding is not an options. Dublin GAA should be expected to fund there own coaches at this stage. 50-90% funding of coaches into schools and clubs should be targeted at the rest of the country for the next 10-years

Bass Reeves

tritium wrote: »

There’s apparently 300 across the country. About 70 in dublin so 230 spread around everywhere else. Seems like a lot so I’m wondering where they are that other counties aren’t getting any benefit. The GAA used to publish a breakdown but I haven’t been able to find it right now, but from memory outside of dublin some provinces did better than others on a per capita basis

Edit: here’s an older doc with a breakdown
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/tstblikbtwvqfubdiwpe.pdf

230 divided into thirty one counties is a bit with 7 coaches per county on average. Assuming maybe Cork has 20 ish and maybe and a couple of the bigger counties 10 it really means there are spread thin on the ground. Because most Counties are bigger areas than Dublin allowing for traveling it cuts 20-30% off coaches value

tritium

tobefrank321 wrote: »

What I've gathered from this whole discussion is the standard of volunteer coaches in Dublin before 2002 and in other counties since 2002 has been really poor. I know the volunteer coaches give up their time but it really feels like they are just not improving or creating a lot of great footballers. I'd say the reason for this is unlike professional coaches they simply do not have the time to put into training, S&C and skills improvement.

Professional coaching is where its at. The more you have the better you will be, its really that simple.

There’s apparently 300 across the country. About 70 in dublin so 230 spread around everywhere else. Seems like a lot so I’m wondering where they are that other counties aren’t getting any benefit. The GAA used to publish a breakdown but I haven’t been able to find it right now, but from memory outside of dublin some provinces did better than others on a per capita basis

Edit: here’s an older doc with a breakdown
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/tstblikbtwvqfubdiwpe.pdf

tobefrank321

What I've gathered from this whole discussion is the standard of volunteer coaches in Dublin before 2002 and in other counties since 2002 has been really poor. I know the volunteer coaches give up their time but it really feels like they are just not improving or creating a lot of great footballers. I'd say the reason for this is unlike professional coaches they simply do not have the time to put into training, S&C and skills improvement.

Professional coaching is where its at. The more you have the better you will be, its really that simple.

ooter

Well that's wrong, I have no problem admitting that. If Dublin are getting 50% funding for GDO's other counties should also get it if they apply and the finances are there.

Dyr

Enquiring wrote: »

Some clubs have 2 full time coaches and other positions overseeing it all, like a coaching director. There are many clubs in Dublin with the finance and set up that dwarfs a lot of counties.

Name the clubs

Name the counties

Give the differences in finances

Did you smash it

Ye don’t really understand the purpose of the funding of GDOs. Either side.

threeball

awaywithyou wrote: »

absolutely no way should coaches be made redundant.... i for one dont have a problem with the funding dublin gaa has access to from central council.. my issue is it is completely wrong for the parent company to be handing out money galore to one of its 32 counties... while giving the rest peanuts... that is not dublins fault... the other 31 counties would want to grow a backbone and let the GAA know that either they get the same funding per player or they are withdrawing their teams from competition.... it is completely completely wrong for central council to show favouritism to one of its memebers over the others.... The issue has nothing to do with dublin... the other 31 counties should be having a go at John Horan Tom Ryan etc... not John Costello

The least the GAA could do is look at funding GDOs based on counties performance. The weaker the county the higher the % of funding per GDO and have it decrease as you move up towards the top. Have a manager in position to run the GDOs on a regional basis.

StupidLikeAFox

ooter wrote: »

Can I ask this question because I'm genuinely interested and don't know the answer to it, if a county were to approach the gaa in January with a proposal, say that they would pledge €300k a year going forward for games development/coaches, would the gaa match that?

No, doesn't seem so. My own club (in Kildare) tried to get a gdo between a few in the locality and we were told no. There is an East Leinster project coming on stream which might help but that's only open to Kildare, Meath and Louth

This article from Fermanagh is a bit of an eye opener as well in terms of the struggles of the poorer counties:
"We could give you numerous examples of when we went to Croke Park looking funding for X, Y and Z and it hasn’t been forthcoming. But you have to look after your own house, there is no point in relying on grants and handouts because they are not forthcoming.”

"When the finance for Games Development and coaching grants were tallied from 2007 to 2018, Fermanagh received the least of all 32 counties, just €634,173 compared to Dublin’s €17,916,477 for the same period."

"His findings suggested they should petition Croke Park for funding of two full-time coaches, but that request was turned down, leading Club Eirne to press ahead and fund the roles themselves."

Now five years in operation, they have reached a stage where they contributed €270,270 to the county board in 2019, and Treacy has targeted a figure of €300,000 in 2020."
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/fermanagh-fundraising-chairman-questions-equality-of-gaa-1.4176396

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

It wasn't offered to other counties - it was a Dublin only scheme. Plus, in Dublin the gdo is aligned to a club, whereas other counties they are focussed on a geographical area. It's a special arrangement for Dublin only and has proved very successful

Some clubs have 2 full time coaches and other positions overseeing it all, like a coaching director. There are many clubs in Dublin with the finance and set up that dwarfs a lot of counties.

ooter

Can I ask this question because I'm genuinely interested and don't know the answer to it, if a county were to approach the gaa in January with a proposal, say that they would pledge €300k a year going forward for games development/coaches, would the gaa match that?

StupidLikeAFox

ooter wrote: »

As I've said before it doesn't matter what I think it's what the gaa think and if they deemed the funding necessary they obviously had good reason. But if the gaa told counties they would fund 50% of every GDO/coach they hire I'm not surprised dublin maximised the number of coaches they could employ.

It wasn't offered to other counties - it was a Dublin only scheme. Plus, in Dublin the gdo is aligned to a club, whereas other counties they are focussed on a geographical area. It's a special arrangement for Dublin only and has proved very successful

ooter

Why are they called professional coaches when they work in Dublin but they're only coaches in other counties, are they only being paid in Dublin?