Tork wrote: » FEBRUARY FEBRUARY FEBRUARY Is doing more studies on a very new virus and finding out more about so wrong? It looks like we're better off knowing more now than we did then. Unless you want everyone to stop wearing masks of course.
patnor1011 wrote: » It is very hard to make comparison which will completely apply. I ask everyone in my car to wear seatbelt but... I actually can not wear one yet I have to drive sometimes. So every time I sit behind wheel I take calculated risk fully knowing that it may cost me while I can not require or expect everyone on the road to go away because I have to go somewhere not wearing one. It is my choice and I have to live with consequences. Same go for say diabetics - we cant ban all sugar and chocolate because it may hurt them or take out nuts as some people can die from exposure. Not everything is black and white and this topic become so divisive for some people that they think that it is either their way or no way. There is always the middle road yet we seems to not be able to see it.
South Korea Warns It's on Brink of Nationwide Pandemic
Jung said 841 new cases could be traced back to an anti-government rally held this month by a right-wing preacher who heads the Sarang Jell Presbyterian Church. Another group of cases in South Korea has been traced to a Starbucks, officials say.
ShineOn7 wrote: » re: the protests in Dublin yesterdayhttps://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/266173494/south-korea-warns-its-on-brink-of-nationwide-pandemic
Tork wrote: » There are now scientific studies which prove that face coverings stop or greatly reduce the number of infected droplets coming from a person's nose and mouth. This one is from the British Medical Journal https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Wasn't there BLM protests a couple of weeks ago and we didn't see an increase in cases, did we?
COVID-19 cases are starting to emerge from the massive 10-day motorcycle rally held earlier this month in Sturgis, in the U.S. state of South Dakota, authorities say. Health officials in Minnesota, Nebraska and South Dakota say they have identified infections connected with the rally. Authorities warn, however, that the full extent of infections from the rally will not be known for some time.
Graham wrote: » Masks haven't changed. We now have a better understanding how Coronavirus spreads.
Away with the Fairies wrote: Wasn't there BLM protests a couple of weeks ago and we didn't see an increase in cases, did we?
patnor1011 wrote: » I get it but in doing so they think we are intolerant. No policy ever had 100% backing and if they think so let them argue their point. We quickly apply some label and in most cases that label is derrogatory. This is a road to nowhere but more hate. I said it many times I have no problem with people wearing masks but people seems to have problem with me not wearing one without knowing abything about my situation. I simply avoid going to shops as I am tired of getting dirty looks of everyone passing me and anyone else in the same situation. We are in this for a very long run and this virus is going to stay with us. We will have to learn to live with it. Please let us not to have some civil war about it.
Seanergy wrote: » Prof O'Neil also says the main reason for wearing a mask is to stop you spreading it, which is very important. It's very possible Prof O'Neil did not know about asymptomatic spread on the 28th of Feb when interview happened. The WHO only found out about asymptomatic spread in the 2nd week of February. CMO at the time probably knew of asymptomatic spread but in an effort to protect supply used the no scientific evidence that masks work mantra.
gozunda wrote: » Appreciate that ... As detailed for those that 'cant' there should be no issue in wearing a mask. As for those that 'won't - that's a somewhat different scenario... The other issue is of course that a diabetic eating something sweet is most likley not going to injure anyone else.
gozunda wrote: » For those that 'can' wear a mask - there are few excuses for not doing so and protecting themselves and more importantly others ...
washman3 wrote: » Ya but those 'protesters' were 'responsible people' wearing masks (in many cases wearing balaclavas) or maybe the virus knows the difference between BLM protesters and other protesters in the same way it can tell the difference between primary school buses and secondary school buses....;);)
i_surge wrote: » It goes both ways. Misinformation on the internet is the main cause Also living with it is not possible. First it is not living and second the ****er multiplies. If it had weakened it wouldn't be ripping a hole in Latin America right now.
patnor1011 wrote: » Perhaps you did not understand me. I am not saying we should live "with it". All I am saying is that this virus is not going anywhere. There is no way we can get rid of it - like ever. It will stay with us like all other viruses and we will adapt somehow. It will take some time but I have no doubt we learn how to. Same like we did with other viruses.
robinph wrote: » Here you go. Wonder if lack of short term memory is a sign of bad genes that need removing from the gene pool as well?
patnor1011 wrote: » It is worrying to see so much of a hate around all this. Some people suddenly become national health advice experts just by googling and soaking every bit of news they can find supporting their view. To me it looks like we lost common sense. We act like children and somehow perceive others like some sort of challenged people who can not think or take care of themselves. I wonder how it happened that we dumbed down so much. Instead of talking, debating and arguing our points we straight switch to hate and immediately dismiss people whose opinion differ from our own quickly attaching some hateful labels like antimaskers and so on. What is next? Vigilante squads patrolling shops interrogating people why they do not wear mask? Perhaps some light beating behind a corner to remind them they are killing our old and vulnerable? People need to cop on and realize that most of vulnerable and old people or their families already know what to do to minimize their exposure and risk of catching this or any other virus. These people, me included, are sick, not retarded. I can not and will not demand everyone else to step on eggshells around me I have no problem to accept that most of the people have enough of their own problems to care about mine. It is solely my own responsibility to try to stay safe while I am also trying to live my life as best as I can. This whole issue become almost religious to some people who go around looking for deviation of what they think others should be doing. Some people do have legitimate reasons not to wear masks and when I see one "maskless antimasker" I smile on them instead of giving them dirty looks or trying to question them. These people do have their reasons not to wear them and I accept it. The same way I accept people who wear one.
GT89 wrote: » Exactly but let's constantly shift the goalposts to fulfil our agenda. Another thing I would like to point is the hypocrisy of the selective outrage of people without masks who are apparently killing grannies but not 6,666 of the most precious form of human life that were mudered last year.
GT89 wrote: » That's true but many seem adamant that there will be a vaccine. Would actually not surprise if there is a vaccine there and ready to go that they are waiting to release it is quite ironic that the world's top ten billionaire's net worth all increased during since covid 1984 started I smell something fishy. A lot of government officials say we can't go back to normal until there is a vaccine, do they know something we don't or are they that deluded and don't realise there may never be a vaccine and we can't keep living like this forever.
SeaBreezes wrote: » wear a mask save a life
SeaBreezes wrote: » Take everything you said there and apply it to your previous posts and take a good long hard ironic look in the mirror... You have to be trolling. No one is that self unaware. .. National health experts are advising the masks you disparage.. Dumbed down so much? Really? Science is clear masks work. Dismiss people whos opinion differs from our own? Better than dismissing the lives of older folk or the vulnerable methinks.. Vigilantes? Drama queen much? Its a mask Small ask to save a life. Your welcome to self isolate at home.if you dont want to wear one.. It IS your choice wether to isolate or not, but wearing masks allows other people choices wether to participate or not. You are dead right. People DO need to cop on. Such a small ask, wear a mask save a life. Its not the flu, bro.
patnor1011 wrote: » There is a vaccine out there but it was dismissed as "rushed, not tested, not reliable" just to name a few characteristics - with the most important - that it is not good because it is Russian. I do not know but they do have a head start on this so when other vaccines will start to roll out eventually then still Russian one may be more tempting as it is "being tested" right now while others are still on paper only. There will be vaccine, quite a few of them actually due to huge demand for it. Effectiveness will vary as it is the case with most of modern vaccines but I would not put my faith in this direction too much. Corona viruses vaccines are complicated to start with and viruses are mutating as they go and if flu vaccines are any indication - it is a hit and miss, with more of a miss mostly. Since disease is mostly a mild one if symptoms even develop I would focus more on the looking for a treatment. But there is dedicated thread for vaccines and this one deal with masks so let us move on from this topic.
SeaBreezes wrote: » Yeah like we learned to live with spanish flu. After it killed every person it could. I wouldve hoped both we as a civilisation, AND science has advanced enough that we have control this time. All science needs is time.. Masking and slowing the spread gives us that time.
