Lillyfae wrote: » The scheme has been available since 2013. Isn't it available annually? I read the circular, available here:https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0062_2013.pdf
mcsean2163 wrote: » Many thanks Murple for the detailed reply. Taking another angle, we could say 80% of classes have less than 30 children per class. We could draw a line in the sans, i.e. 29 and no more. The other schools are then prioritized and funding delivered to assist the 20% in the high density classes to reduce their class sizes. I'd be happy to promote that and write to government etc with that in mind. It would probably be a good thing too even after covid19 finishes What do you think, would that be of any help?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: Covid payment doesn't equal losing your job, it just means that due to covid you can't attend your workplace have no option to work from home.
FishOnABike wrote: » Well if you don't first identify the potential problems you can't put solutions in place to avoid them.
timmy_mallet wrote: » And at what point does problem finding cease and solutioning begin? Or is it not in their remit?
lulublue22 wrote: » As a parent that daily change of clothes idea has my head wrecked. There will be 3 of us changing daily. For parents I reckon uncrested tracksuits picked up cheaply in Dunnes should do. Couple of pairs easy to wash and dry. Less stress on parents as possible. For myself I’m thinking of easy wash leggings and a warm top for next year.
Necro wrote: » What are you on about? The Pandemic Unemployment Payment is for those who lost their jobs due to businesses having to close People working from home didn't lose their jobs so are not eligible. Please do not talk nonsense about things you clearly know nothing about.
lulublue22 wrote: » I’ll take the compliment 😠Like any profession there is good and not so good. That’s not unique to teaching. What I will say is there is a grievance policy that parents can follow - teacher first if not resolved principal , then BOM and then Dep. I would genuinely be interested if any if the posters who where unhappy with the educational provision followed that procedure. Also we are in an unprecedented situation - online teaching in my opinion is not great for primary school children and tbf there are a load if issues re hardware / broad band parents trying to work etc. Coupled with the very last minute nature of the close down - we were told at 12 that we were closed for 2weeks and to get work organised for that period. I’m not surprised that responses varied from school to school. Hopefully if we have to return to blended / online learning then lessons will have been learnt and a more cohesive plan in place. ETA I genuinely believe that there are by far more hard working conscientious teachers than not - it’s just that we don’t get to hear if them as often. You just have to look at this thread to see how committed teachers are.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: What do you think all non essential workers were being paid while they waited for their businesses to open back up?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: Not everyone can work from home and in case you don't remember not many places were allowed to open, those employees were allowed to apply for the Covid payment of €350 a week unless their employer was putting it through as wage subsidy.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: They didn't lose their jobs, most are back working. What do you think hairdressers, non essential retailers, construction workers etc the like were living on this whole time?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: Might take some of your own advice because you clearly know nothing about it.
Deeec wrote: » However Necro some teachers just simply didnt work during the period from home or otherwise. They let the profession down big time.
the corpo wrote: » Excellent headlining from Broadsheethttps://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/07/23/what-will-the-neighbours-say/ "I think it would reflect very badly on us if we were unable to open schools in August, when other countries that suffered much worse than us didn’t close them fully” Yeah, I think the reflection is worse that our education system is a shambolic, prehistoric HAMES compared to our neighbours. Reflects terribly on us that we haven't the infrastructure in place that a safe return is proving such a herculean feat....
Boggles wrote: » So the Pandemic Unemployment Payment has nothing to do with people losing their jobs. Seems legit.
Deeec wrote: » It is not just paid to people who have lost their jobs. It is also paid to people who are temporarily unable to do their jobs due to covid.
Boggles wrote: » So temporarily Unemployed?
Lillyfae wrote: » No. Furloughed.
Necro wrote: » The Pandemic Unemployment Payment. Keep up, this is very simple. Exactly. Teachers were working from home, why would they be put on the Pandemic payment. The Pandemic Unemployment Payment. Keep up, it's very simple. They lost their jobs due to businesses having to close. (hence it being referred to as an Unemployment Payment, the key is in the name) You're raving here about teachers going onto a payment that they are clearly not eligible for. Why even bring it up unless you're trying to get a rise out of people.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: If the schools remain closed (which they won't) and teachers can't work from home (online learning at this stage should only reserved for local school closures in the event of cases) then yes teachers will find themselves eligible to apply for Covid payment.
Boggles wrote: So the Pandemic Unemployment Payment has nothing to do with people losing their jobs.
Necro wrote: » No they won't. Schools won't ever 'close' to the point that thousands of teachers will suddenly be made redundant. That's just a fantasy made up in your head to have another go at teachers. Pretty much par for the course for yourself throughout the thread, so I'll leave you at it. Just wanted to point out how terribly uninformed you are in relation to social welfare.
emmaro wrote: » Sorry but the number of posts on various social media/actual people I know in other professions bragging about how they've outsmarted the tracker or whatever on their laptop to make it seem like they're still working by automatically moving the mouse etc. is staggering. But people act like it was only teachers slacking. I can only speak for myself and my colleagues, but we worked much longer hours than when we were not working from home. I worked in the private sector for years before becoming a secondary school teacher. I prefer teaching and it provides me with much more job satisfaction, but these last few months have made me want to go back to my previous job. I worked much longer than I normally would as I had to plan, create, edit videos for my two subjects and seven different class groups. I was doing Zoom classes during normal school hours, so creating the resources was done usually between 5-11pm. My friends from my old job were doing the exact same thing as in the office, just from home. Nothing changed. I am so tired of people saying I shouldn't be paid for working from home. No one says this about other professions when all professions have people who are slackers. We are also crucified for wanting a safe work environment like everyone else is getting (protection screens etc.)
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » We are discussing September. If the schools remain closed (which they won't) and teachers can't work from home (online learning at this stage should only reserved for local school closures in the event of cases) then yes teachers will find themselves eligible to apply for Covid payment. Online educational learning does not work well for kids. Add to that the complete disparity between teachers who broke their backsides working day and night to do their best to continue educating their classes and those who basically had a paid holiday before their paid holiday. The few ruined it for all, that's what happened, and that's why online learning will not be considered as a serious full nationwide solution when September comes.
