BonsaiKitten wrote: » And a healthcare professional works every day of the week, do they? Teachers are not going to work from 8am - 8pm and the Govt aren't stupid enough to implement it unless they want empty classrooms across the country. We already have enough of an exodus to the Middle East for teaching jobs as it is.
Deleted User wrote: » 8am-8pm are social working hours. Try working in healthcare.
Rodin wrote: » If there are normally 3 classes in the school, each with a teacher, that's 90 pupils on site at once. Have 3 shifts where each teacher only teaches their class. Only 30 pupils on site, massively reducing risk. Any shortfall in hours may need to be made up elsewhere in the year. The total number of hours worked would remain the same.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Never said that teachers needed to work every day of the week. Just need to be flexible with which hours they work. I think been available for whatever hours you currently work over the course of 8am-8pm is reasonable in the current climate.
Deleted User wrote: » We are dealing with far worse in the HSE and making it work
BonsaiKitten wrote: » Imagine the parents of two kids - one in school from 8-12, another from 4-8. It's worse than useless for them as they still have a child at home to care for and school pressures are now on in late evenings and early mornings. Certainly doesn't enable them to work.
Rodin wrote: » They are liable to work any day of the week. At any time in many cases. The real issue here is terms and conditions. Teachers won't change theirs to meet the new reality as many others have had to do. If teachers are not willing to change their hours/days to make this work then I'm done here. I knew what the major problem all along was and it's been confirmed. It isn't PPE. It's the precious working hours and time off.
Rodin wrote: » Childcare would only be happy to have extra work. Would keep many in employment/business. I'd have childcare tax deductable to help people work but that's another argument. I certainly know people where one person swapped to evening work so there was always someone at home rather than both gone during the day. It's a new reality and new ways of doing things have to happen.
khalessi wrote: » Tell me how your terms and conditions changed for the pandemic. Speaking to nursing friends, their hours stayed the same as did their pay. If they worked extra they got paid extra and some did. But basic terms and conditions stayed the same. Night duty was still night duty etc. I had friends who had time off booked an dwere told to take it as it was booked and they didnt know how bad it would get.
Rodin wrote: » Ask your nursing friends if any of them got reassigned to ED or ICU without consultation or if they know anyone who did or if anyone swapped to nights from days.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » It's no different to what people have had to deal with all along since March and at least the kids are getting some sort of education.
khalessi wrote: » Ive done that as a nurse and it was mildly inconvenient but is part of the job, you go where needed and when needed. I have been taken off wards at 1am to reopen a closed ward and had to hang curtains and admit patients. So tell me more about your change of terms and conditions, they still start and leave at same time
Rodin wrote: » Then why shouldn't teachers be exempt from changes to working hours/practices...
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » It's no different to what people have had to deal with all along since March and at least the kids are getting some sort of education. If the schools aren't allowing kids back fully then there has to be some flexibility from teachers (and unions).
khalessi wrote: » Give back 20 hours of pay at least I mean ya know why not. Just step up and do what you wrote here teachers should do. Its a sacrifice but like ya know think of the children and its a pandemic. Yada Yada
khalessi wrote: » Sorry the working hours werent changed for nurses and neither are their conditions they were moved ward. SO tell me again changes to term and conditions for nurses
History Queen wrote: » But wouldn't it be less disruptive to open schools full time at normal hours with PPE and health and ssfety protocols? I thought that was what the majority of parents wanted (normal opening hours)? It's certainly what most teachers want.
pwurple wrote: » To say that to anyone in health services who has been wrecking themselves since February is quite disrespectful. I'm not sure why you seem to want a pissing contest with anyone on how hard they work or what hours they do. I have huge time for teachers, it isn't a job I would have the patience to do, I tried some subbing as a student years ago, when making my own career choices, and found it very difficult No-one could ever say it's an easy job, it's very tiring. But an obvious benefit of the job when choosing it is the limited number of working hours and how family friendly those hours are, at least for all my friends who chose that career. If you want a highly paid job with a lot of inflexible and antisocial working hours, overtime and bonuses, but without summers, christmas or easter off, then other careers may be more appropriate for you.
Rodin wrote: » Moving from a medical ward to ED or ICU is absolutely a material change in normal working conditions.
khalessi wrote: » I did it everyday for years. It was not a problem, but I enjoyed it. I still started at the same time and ended at the same time.
Rodin wrote: » As I said some have moved from days to nights. That's a material change
Deleted User wrote: » There is no way that you would be switched from ED to ICU. There is different training involved. How would an ED nurse know how to support a patient on ECMO?
khalessi wrote: » I was and enjoyed it and sometimes could be moved a couple of times during a shift and it was in a DUblin hospital maybe I was quick on uptake.
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