Boggles wrote: » Sweden has the highest daily coronavirus death rate in the world – and it’s getting worse You still think we should have went the Swedish route? 300 people have died since Monday.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Yes and the shift in media narrative on this is well underway already. I'd be surprised if the schools aren't open before September. I think they'll ditch the social distancing, low case numbers in addition to what's apparently very very low risk of transmission means it's just won't be necessary.https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-schools-covid-19-transmission-5110842-May2020/
TheValeyard wrote: » Schools closing again in South Korea. Could be a rolling thing worldwidehttps://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-korea-forced-to-close-schools-again-after-spike-in-new-covid-19-cases-11996706
FishOnABike wrote: » Quote : "The study suggests that there is still a lack of evidence around whether the re-opening of schools is safe, or whether doing so would lead to a resurgence of the virus."
sideswipe wrote: » Headline makes it sound like it's a blanket reclosure rather than 250 schools in a metropolitan area.
sideswipe wrote: » Dealing with people who are very ill with covid-19 and dealing with school kids who are not sick are two completely different things. If you are looking for the government to reassure you that there will not be any risk I think you'll be waiting. We are all facing into a situation where there is a new threat that didn't exist before, luckily for use it seems the the threat is far, far less than we thought it would be 3 months ago. Supermarket workers have been working for the last few months in an inside environment mostly without masks and have not been badly effected. Risk is part of life.
seamus wrote: » I feel for the DoE here.
marilynrr wrote: » We could even have more. Aren't some people saying we could get another wave during Winter that will be deadlier? If that happens then many in Sweden could be spared!
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Schools have opened right across Europe (some only closed for 4 weeks anyway) and there's been no significant increase in infections as a result of schools reopening. We will be the last to open along with Italy who have a much older age demographic for their teachers and whose country was riddled with the virus. The impact of the virus here was much less than what Italy saw happen to them and yet some will try to justify keeping us locked down.
JDD wrote: » They didn't stagger start and end times or yard times in my school.
JDD wrote: » They were still doing PE indoors.
JDD wrote: » I think they were all sent to wash their hands after lunch - that was the only change pre-pandemic, perhaps in your school it was different?
Boggles wrote: » How? In what way will Sweden be "spared". There will just be even more people killed if it is deadlier, obviously. Unless you are saying the 300 odd that have died since Monday can't be killed again, then I suppose you right.
marilynrr wrote: » If they caught it now when it's milder then more than likely they won't catch the deadlier one!!!! Also if more of the population has already had the milder one then there's less change of massive clusters in Winter.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Schools have partially opened right across Europe (some only closed for 4 weeks anyway) and there's been no significant increase in infections yet as a result of schools reopening. We will be the last to open along with Italy who have a much older age demographic for their teachers and whose country was riddled with the virus. The impact of the virus here was much less than what Italy saw happen to them and yet some will try to justify keeping us locked down.
Boggles wrote: » Herd immunity? No, that has been completely debunked. There is no evidence to support milder one, more deadlier one, or whatever tangent you are going off on. What may transpire by winter is one of the treatments in trial at the moment could become a "game changer" in mortality rates, which will mean Sweden have killed an awful lot of people they need not have and that will require quite a bit of explaining I imagine.
Drumpot wrote: » I saw the headline again about how safe schools are with little evidence to back it up. All I see is is the government trying To soften people up into going back in Sept.
FishOnABike wrote: » Secondary schools pose a different set of problems.
marilynrr wrote: » Herd immunity has been debunked? I don't know what that's supposed to mean considering herd immunity is a well known thing! !
marilynrr wrote: » Herd immunity has been debunked? I don't know what that's supposed to mean considering herd immunity is a well known thing! Also all viruses mutate, maybe it will become milder, maybe it will become deadlier. I don't know why you're looking for evidence. Lots of things may transpire by Winter, that's why i'm saying looking at Swedens figures now people might say oh they got it wrong, we don't know the full picture yet so we can't tell!
Boggles wrote: » Yes, by vaccination. Not by letting it rip and killing off all the vulnerable. Anyway, it isn't my opinion, Sweden has admitted that herd immunity is impossible achieve. They will need 70-90% at least and there is no guarantees it will be lasting immunity.
is_that_so wrote: » Not as a concept, in the current context of COVID-19 the numbers are paltry and it's fair to assume that Sweden will be in the same range as everyone else. Winter well see us much more ready to face new outbreaks, unlike where we were all at in February.
Boggles wrote: » The hilarious thing about that, it's largely based on a relatively small study from South Korea, where masks are mandatory for all teachers and students. But our Minister for Education says absolutely no way to masks, full schools back, business as usual, bit of social distancing. You couldn't actually make it up. You might as well have had a homeless drunk fella ranting and raving on Zoom last night.
marilynrr wrote: » Herd immunity is not just possible through vaccination. For all we know there will never be a vaccination either! Also I understand that there is no guarantee that there will be lasting immunity, but maybe there will be!! And in that case especially if there was no vaccination then Sweden will be in a better position than the rest of us...which is the point I was making! It is too early to say that Sweden did it wrong (or right). There is still a lot to happen in this whole thing! Yes I understand they are low at the moment. I read at the end of April it was just over 7% in Sweden and recent estimates are saying 20%.....but I don't' think anyone expected them to reach the numbers required for herd immunity in a few months!
marilynrr wrote: » Herd immunity is not just possible through vaccination.
Boggles wrote: » Science disagrees. But then again, I'll give you an opportunity. Where have we achieved herd immunity from a Coronavirus in the past? I'll give you a clue, we haven't ever.
Boggles wrote: » Schools have massive personal hygiene campaigns, wall to wall signs about hand washing, etc. Anyway that should come from home, if your child is not washing their hands several times a day, before eating, after using the rest room, etc. That isn't the schools fault.
marilynrr wrote: » Science does not disagree.
marilynrr wrote: » Also When has there ever been a coronavirus vaccine in the past?? Never.
Boggles wrote: » Well then, tell me, when have we achieved herd immunity from a coronavirus? Now you are getting it. There may not be one, either.
marilynrr wrote: » In my sons school before the pandemic he said water in the bathrooms was turned off at certain times in the day so people weren't messing. I'm not sure if it was at break time or during class time. The only hand dryer available was that horrible old fashioned pull down toweling thing. I don't think they had time to put in new hand dryers but they did turn the water back on before the schools shut!
SusanC10 wrote: » No hot water in either the Primary or Secondary school our Kids attend and no soap in the Secondary pre-pandemic.
