Mortelaro wrote: » I'd believe you,only SF wouldn't turn down FF if they offered a coalition would they So your premise is full of holes
FrancieBrady wrote: » No they wouldn't - if they could negotiate a satisfactory programme for government. Michael Martin was all for a coalition when it looked like he was going to finish on 50 seats...he shut that door fairly quickly when he realised that he would have to talk to a party that is not prepared to move on it's core principles...not for a wee bypass here or a reopened Garda Station there.
Redgirl82 wrote: » I didn’t hear anything from FF to say they wanted to go into government More fantasy, I guess you have moved on from FG, Pitt you couldn’t move to Sinn Fein
jm08 wrote: » My first general election to vote in. Even I knew then that abolishing road tax was just stupid.
Mortelaro wrote: » You're saying there SF wouldn't go into government with FF, but you you know darn right well that they would Core principles my aunt Sally Deals always trump manifestos Only FF don't want to deal
FrancieBrady wrote: » I edited the post to fix the quote tags. What 'name' did I remove? And now I cannot mention Westminister when discussing NI? I hope to live until the day that that is not necessary. I listed the achievements. I will bullet point them for clarity, in case that is your issue. They have delivered/achieved: 1. Irish language Rights 2. SSM 3. Women's Rights 4. Pushing reform of a policing service that all can trust. 5. An all island approach to Brexit. 6. An All island approach to Covid 19 7. Reductions in contentious parades 8. Normalised the flying of flags Just some of the things that SF can take credit for being involved in. And nobody is denying that they have also failed in other areas.
blanch152 wrote: » I am still waiting for a single achievement of Sinn Fein. Lobbying others to do something isn't an achievement, especially if it is something they would have done anyway (e.g. drop the best Brexit outcome - SM and CU - when it became unachievable and drop to a lower possible outcome).
FrancieBrady wrote: » You really should learn to use google when you don't know stuff, claiming things never happened is a weak way of debating .https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-opens-the-door-to-coalition-with-sinn-fein-38941313.htmlhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%25C3%25A1il-reaction-martin-opens-door-to-government-with-fg-or-sf-1.4167246
blanch152 wrote: » (1) Irish Language Rights: There is no standalone Irish Language Act, and SF have agreed that there will not be one. This is an achievement to rank alongside getting the British out of Ireland ie. it didn't happen. (2) SSM: Legislated by the Tory government, in a parliament which Sinn Fein boycott.
(3) Women's Rights: Gender pay gap in Northern Ireland is far worse than the South and than even the rest of the UK. Abortion was legislated by the Tory government, in a parliament which Sinn Fein boycott.
(4) Pushing reform of a policing service that all can trust: Pushing? That is an achievement? The reform was led by others, Sinn Fein stood by and spectated.
(5) An all island approach to Brexit: Sinn Fein did nothing to achieve this. They weren't involved at any stage in any of the serious negotiations, they contributed nothing constructive, they talked on the sidelines.
(6) An All island approach to Covid 19: What all-island approach? Where is the NI lockdown exit plan? When are we going to see it? This is a mirage.
(7) Reductions in contentious parades: If anything epitomises the small-town approach of Sinn Fein, listing this and the next point as achievements surely ranks right up there. Did they manage to set up a few Neighbourhood Watch Schemes and Tidy Towns organisations as well? [Oops, forgot that they have a history with the friendly Neighbourly Kneecapping Project]. Seriously, the fact that parades is considered a serious issue when health, education, crime, immigration, social welfare, taxation, local charges, broadband, infrastructural provision, public transport etc. are all, without exception, missing from this list, says it all. (8) Normalised the flying of flags: Eh, who cares? The most nauseating issue in respect of flags is the "republican" tradition of appropriating our national flag to place on the coffins of terrorists. Sinn Fein have done nothing to stop this.
blanch152 wrote: » More fantasy and embellishment. "I think we’ll let things calm down today,” he told RTÉ. “We’ll assess when the full count is in and the full number of seats are in. I’m a democrat, I listen to the people. I respect the decision of the people.”" That is what Micheal Martin said, from the link you provided. It does not equate in any way to "Michael Martin was all for a coalition when it looked like he was going to finish on 50 seats..." Revisionist history, take a bow, you are almost happening in real time now.
Redgirl82 wrote: » You said you voted for Sinn Fein based on housing but you have no idea what the housing policy is they have? Great to see the people of Ireland have such consideration for the privileged that many Irish died to get them Personally, well first off I would go after all the people sitting in council houses not paying rent. Would you not think that is a good policy? free up millions to build more houses
Great to see the people of Ireland have such consideration for the privileged that many Irish died to get them
markodaly wrote: » I was on about Property Tax. SF wants to abolish it, again and we saw how that worked out... do you think we should abolish LPT?
Redgirl82 wrote: » As I posted the main issue I see is non payment of rent, why waste more money Building house to give to people who have no intention of paying rent? Fix the current system first The concentration should be on affordable housing and fix the public transport so people can live outside main cities.
Redgirl82 wrote: » I would support higher rates of repossessions in Ireland, this would drive down mortgage rates for everyone else. Why should everyone suffer for the few.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I said what they said...they will go in when they can negotiate a satisfactory programme for government that respects their mandate. Not because they got freebies to look the other way. Hard concept to grasp if you are in love with how coaition has been done by the power swap. That is why MM shut the door...he knew he couldn't buy control
Mortelaro wrote: » I doubt now that MM had one view on SF one day and another the next His problem was sharing Taoiseach with SF That's his only problem A problem he wouldn't have had if he would have got the 55 to 60 seats he expected SF on the other hand would do a deal with FF Theres no doubt about that
Redgirl82 wrote: » Do I have to mention again this is the Sinn Fein thread...
Redgirl82 wrote: » Another post, nothing of interest. Does this normal work? just bore people to death?
Redgirl82 wrote: » The adults are talking now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » If ever an answer was 'suiting' yourself, that is it. I don't care what you think his problem was...he opened the door when he thought he had control and shut it when that wasn't the case.
He adopted the same position regarding FG...'Never Never' but is now up to his oxters trying to sledgehammer a government.
Both FG and FF knew that the safety net was always gonna be the two of them concocting a deal to keep power between them. Looks like the Greens are the meat in that sandwich again.
The Last Waltz of the power swap, as they say.
jm08 wrote: » I think taxation is fairer.
Mortelaro wrote: » But you're agreeing with me,that's what I said,MM was only interested in SF as a junior partner Ain't he lucky that Leo left the door open then as a last resort solution They may have been thinking about it,but one of them,FG,was prepared to walk away unless there was no other hope of a government and at least they stuck to their guns until all other options were tried Nope,just another compromise, like what we have had since the '77 government, the last majorly single party government we ever had,dissolved that Dáil
FrancieBrady wrote: » You are codding yourself if you think FG were doing anything but covering blushes.
Bowie wrote: » You realise that instead of building social we are entering into 25 year leases with vulture funds, to house the very same people right? So the options are hotels, 25 year leases, private landlords or social housing. We have a society and we must deal with everyone at some level. If you push for evictions, cool, then we need pay for a hotel.
Redgirl82 wrote: » What is a vulture fund?
Bowie wrote: » I tell you what, you respond to my questions and I'll do same. Otherwise it just comes across like you are dodging.
Redgirl82 wrote: » For someone that seemingly is a Sinn Fein supporter, you seem to have a huge insight into FG and FF. Where do you source this information?
Redgirl82 wrote: » What about you voting? well you said you voted without reading a manifesto You not think its a bit disrespectful to the people that died to allow you to vote and you couldn't even spend an hour reading all the manifesto's from the parties? You also seem to be on here a lot talking about how great Sinn Fein is but you haven't even read the main document they reference for voting? you not find that a bit odd?
Bowie wrote: » ... Do you feel record breaking crises year on year is something we need to keep? Rent arrears is a problem but even if we'd zero rent arrears we'd still be following the same policies right?
Bowie wrote: » You realise that instead of building social we are entering into 25 year leases with vulture funds, to house the very same people right? ...
McMurphy wrote: » People who follow politics and political developments in knowledge of other political partys shocker.
Bowie wrote: » No. I got the gist. They died for my right to do as I please on election day, even not vote at all. No I haven't. I couldn't even name more than a handful of their politician TBH. No, I see their intentions on certain issues and like them. So where did we land on:
Bowie wrote: » No. I got the gist. They died for my right to do as I please on election day, even not vote at all. No I haven't. I couldn't even name more than a handful of their politicians TBH. No, I see their intentions on certain issues and like them. So where did we land on:
