FrancieBrady wrote: » I said what they said...they will go in when they can negotiate a satisfactory programme for government that respects their mandate. Not because they got freebies to look the other way. Hard concept to grasp if you are in love with how coaition has been done by the power swap. That is why MM shut the door...he knew he couldn't buy control
Redgirl82 wrote: » As I posted the main issue I see is non payment of rent, why waste more money Building house to give to people who have no intention of paying rent? Fix the current system first The concentration should be on affordable housing and fix the public transport so people can live outside main cities.
Redgirl82 wrote: » I would support higher rates of repossessions in Ireland, this would drive down mortgage rates for everyone else. Why should everyone suffer for the few.
markodaly wrote: » I was on about Property Tax. SF wants to abolish it, again and we saw how that worked out... do you think we should abolish LPT?
Redgirl82 wrote: » You said you voted for Sinn Fein based on housing but you have no idea what the housing policy is they have? Great to see the people of Ireland have such consideration for the privileged that many Irish died to get them Personally, well first off I would go after all the people sitting in council houses not paying rent. Would you not think that is a good policy? free up millions to build more houses
Great to see the people of Ireland have such consideration for the privileged that many Irish died to get them
blanch152 wrote: » More fantasy and embellishment. "I think we’ll let things calm down today,” he told RTÉ. “We’ll assess when the full count is in and the full number of seats are in. I’m a democrat, I listen to the people. I respect the decision of the people.”" That is what Micheal Martin said, from the link you provided. It does not equate in any way to "Michael Martin was all for a coalition when it looked like he was going to finish on 50 seats..." Revisionist history, take a bow, you are almost happening in real time now.
blanch152 wrote: » (1) Irish Language Rights: There is no standalone Irish Language Act, and SF have agreed that there will not be one. This is an achievement to rank alongside getting the British out of Ireland ie. it didn't happen. (2) SSM: Legislated by the Tory government, in a parliament which Sinn Fein boycott.
(3) Women's Rights: Gender pay gap in Northern Ireland is far worse than the South and than even the rest of the UK. Abortion was legislated by the Tory government, in a parliament which Sinn Fein boycott.
(4) Pushing reform of a policing service that all can trust: Pushing? That is an achievement? The reform was led by others, Sinn Fein stood by and spectated.
(5) An all island approach to Brexit: Sinn Fein did nothing to achieve this. They weren't involved at any stage in any of the serious negotiations, they contributed nothing constructive, they talked on the sidelines.
(6) An All island approach to Covid 19: What all-island approach? Where is the NI lockdown exit plan? When are we going to see it? This is a mirage.
(7) Reductions in contentious parades: If anything epitomises the small-town approach of Sinn Fein, listing this and the next point as achievements surely ranks right up there. Did they manage to set up a few Neighbourhood Watch Schemes and Tidy Towns organisations as well? [Oops, forgot that they have a history with the friendly Neighbourly Kneecapping Project]. Seriously, the fact that parades is considered a serious issue when health, education, crime, immigration, social welfare, taxation, local charges, broadband, infrastructural provision, public transport etc. are all, without exception, missing from this list, says it all. (8) Normalised the flying of flags: Eh, who cares? The most nauseating issue in respect of flags is the "republican" tradition of appropriating our national flag to place on the coffins of terrorists. Sinn Fein have done nothing to stop this.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You really should learn to use google when you don't know stuff, claiming things never happened is a weak way of debating .https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-opens-the-door-to-coalition-with-sinn-fein-38941313.htmlhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%25C3%25A1il-reaction-martin-opens-door-to-government-with-fg-or-sf-1.4167246
FrancieBrady wrote: » No they wouldn't - if they could negotiate a satisfactory programme for government. Michael Martin was all for a coalition when it looked like he was going to finish on 50 seats...he shut that door fairly quickly when he realised that he would have to talk to a party that is not prepared to move on it's core principles...not for a wee bypass here or a reopened Garda Station there.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I edited the post to fix the quote tags. What 'name' did I remove? And now I cannot mention Westminister when discussing NI? I hope to live until the day that that is not necessary. I listed the achievements. I will bullet point them for clarity, in case that is your issue. They have delivered/achieved: 1. Irish language Rights 2. SSM 3. Women's Rights 4. Pushing reform of a policing service that all can trust. 5. An all island approach to Brexit. 6. An All island approach to Covid 19 7. Reductions in contentious parades 8. Normalised the flying of flags Just some of the things that SF can take credit for being involved in. And nobody is denying that they have also failed in other areas.
blanch152 wrote: » I am still waiting for a single achievement of Sinn Fein. Lobbying others to do something isn't an achievement, especially if it is something they would have done anyway (e.g. drop the best Brexit outcome - SM and CU - when it became unachievable and drop to a lower possible outcome).
Mortelaro wrote: » You're saying there SF wouldn't go into government with FF, but you you know darn right well that they would Core principles my aunt Sally Deals always trump manifestos Only FF don't want to deal
jm08 wrote: » My first general election to vote in. Even I knew then that abolishing road tax was just stupid.
Redgirl82 wrote: » I didn’t hear anything from FF to say they wanted to go into government More fantasy, I guess you have moved on from FG, Pitt you couldn’t move to Sinn Fein
Mortelaro wrote: » I'd believe you,only SF wouldn't turn down FF if they offered a coalition would they So your premise is full of holes
FrancieBrady wrote: » This approach to principles and core values - we can drop them to take advantage of a given situation - is what has the power swap were they are, down to it's lowest ever share of the vote.
jm08 wrote: » Conor McGinn lives in England (by choice presumably) and is a Labour MP whose Head of State is the Queen. If Sinn Fein introduced that Bill in WM, no one would have supported it. Do you not know anything?
blanch152 wrote: » This is an example of the cognitive dissonance at the heart of Sinn Fein policy. On the one hand we are told that the expenditure will be repaid in the form of rent, on the other we are told that the colossal amount of unpaid rent won't make a dint in the cost of the expenditure. It does not add up.
blanch152 wrote: » Sorry that I can't be on these boards 24/7 to counter all the nonsense that is posted, but I have a real life. I will have a look and see if there is anything substantive worth answering.
Mortelaro wrote: » Ah,so the previous parliament would vote for Brexit if SF turned up I See I fear it's you hasn't a clue So SF are also in favour of Brexit, I see...
Mortelaro wrote: » I wish other Sinn fein people would do what he did then and cross his fingers behind his back whilst pledging an oath to the Queen taking his seat in Westminster If the SF mps had done the same,there would be no Brexit
markodaly wrote: » The 80's? When we had way more people leaving the country then arriving, which resulted in no pressure on housing at all?[
The 80's? Which was 40 years ago at this stage?
The 80's? Right after the 77 elections when FF abolished rates?
Again, lets not hark back to golden era nostalgia.
Runaways wrote: » That’s pure bollocks There isn’t one MP in parliament who would vote the same way as Sinn Fein on anything even Brexit And why would SF go into Parliament to stop Brexit when Brexit is bringing about their ultimate aim which is a united Ireland None of you FG sycophants seem to have an actual clue about anything it’s gas
FrancieBrady wrote: » 40% of those in arrears are paying...if you start evicting them you get nothing only the costs of evicting them and then you create more homeless people. So, the 33m figure starts diminishing very quickly...lets say you manage to get 20m....so to meet the SF proposed spend, you only have to get another 5.475 billion approx. A child would know this is not a solution.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well, blanch got schooled on who is responsible for some stuff as did Leo.I presented fact checks on it and blanch went silent. I fully agree, that the 'region' cannot sustain itself either economically or socially because it has been created artificially and the issues caused by that have never sorted themselves out and show signs of never sorting themselves out. If you are correct on health and education then that will make unifying the island all the more attractive to those who want better. Somethings aren't fixable because the root problems of why they are how they are, aren't fixable.
jm08 wrote: » Are you aware that the DUP, using the Petition of Concern, blocked SSM in Stormont on 5 occasions in as many years, despite (bar the TUV), everyone else supported it? How would FG get around something like that in the Dail, say for example if Aontu/Mattie Fox/Ronan Mullan conservatives had a veto on legislation? Are you aware that the Labour MP who introduced the legislation in Westminister is from Armagh and his father was a Sinn Fein Councillor (and former mayor of Newry) up to recently (now retired)?
jm08 wrote: » Are you aware that the Labour MP who introduced the legislation in Westminister is from Armagh and his father was a Sinn Fein Councillor (and former mayor of Newry) up to recently (now retired)?
jm08 wrote: » [/B] That isn't true. Some great housebuilding done up to about the 80s. Have a look at some of the houses built by the Iveagh Trust in the early part of the century (around Glasnevin for example).
blanch152 wrote: » The poster is correct, they didn't happen, or other people were responsible.Westminister improved women's rights.Westminister brought in SSM. There is no standalone Irish language act. They brought down Stormont for three years for nothing, while nurses didn't get their pay increase. The FG government negotiated for Ireland on Brexit. Nothing on that list was an achievement of Sinn Fein.
