is_that_so wrote: » CMO seems to be looking for signs of low hospital and ICU admissions. They also want to see a much smaller daily new case load. I don't know what that is and I can't see him ever giving a number just being encouraged, hopeful or concerned. It's being paid for by the surplus and the money that had already been borrowed. Once that's exhausted we'll get more and there will be a lot of extremely cheap money about for that.
road_high wrote: » Seriously depressing reading last night the increased figures here- while dropping on the Continent and life getting back to normal. WTF are we at? The lockdown here has been strict, well supported and very well adhered to. Nothing much is open. How the fcuk are we doing so poorly?
Pitch n Putt wrote: » No point waiting for smaller daily case load if that’s what they’re doing The constant change in testing criteria will mean that numbers are going to stay at similar levels or increase. Simple maths will say the more u test the more likely you are to get positive results. Active cases is where the focus should be. That’s dependant on good testing system and quick results turn around. Again another problem for us. We can’t progress to the CMO/HSE and NPHET plan if they can’t get these sorted and they’ve had 8 weeks already but we live on in lockdown with the promise of 100k tests per week If the only done 30000 tests with max 48 hr results turn around it would be far more beneficial than talking rubbish about numbers that will never be efficiently achieved.
Discokiiid wrote: » What do we think about shopping centres? The likes of normal stores? River island , JD Etc?
road_high wrote: » Seriously depressing reading last night the increased figures here- while dropping on the Continent and life getting back to normal. WTF are we at?
tobefrank321 wrote: » We can't close the borders. We can't stop people coming from NI. We can't stop NI people flying en masse to London or returning and then heading south for a day trip or round of golf. We can't stop Travellers coming from London for large gatherings. At what stage does the penny drop that we could remain in this half arsed farcical "lockdown" infinitely and numbers will remain relatively high. You either go full lockdown or don't bother and go for a more targeted approach.
Draconian stay-at-home orders and shutting all non-essential businesses had little effect on fighting coronavirus in Europe, according to a study. But the same scientists discovered closing schools and banning all mass gatherings did work in halting outbreaks across the continent. University of East Anglia researchers now say relaxing the stay-at-home policy and letting some businesses reopen could be the UK's first step to easing lockdown. The findings throw into question whether Britain's total lockdown - announced on March 23 - was necessary. Other top scientists have claimed Britain's COVID-19 crisis peaked and started to decline before lockdown began, arguing that Number 10's drastic policy to shut the UK down was wrong. It comes after Boris Johnson yesterday confirmed that strict rules imposed under the six-week coronavirus lockdown will start to be eased on Monday.
road_high wrote: » How the fcuk are we doing so poorly?
is_that_so wrote: » What precise law can they use to do this?
ixoy wrote: » Are we not testing more? So of course, if we do, we'll find more when we've reduced the criteria for testing. These sorts of cases were always there, just hadn't met the criteria to be eligible before.
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » Probably because in plenty of places on the continent people literally couldn't leave there homes while geniuses on here were harping on about a police state (despite having less strict restrictions than many places) and bragging about how the lockdown ended for them on a random date that suited them.
FishOnABike wrote: » Health Act 1947 and amendments allows for detention of a person who is a probable risk of spreading infection, non cooperation is an offense.
Paddygreen wrote: » We should only do what Minister Simon Harris and his round table of highly esteemed experts say we should do. At the moment Simon says that the phases of lockdown release will eventually mean that we will still have to like social distance even when the lockdown is over.. Get used to the new normal guys. Lockdown will be back again until a vaccine is available and EVERYONE gets their shot. I mean everyone. Personally I would hold down anyone who doesn't want it while they are getting their shot.
road_high wrote: » Where does it end though? Keep testing more and widening the criteria = get more cases.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Lad on newstalk "I am self employed, my business has been put on hold due to lockdown, I am divorced with 3 kids and have custody of them for 3 days a week, my covid19 payment support has been rejected. I am getting by through the means of credit card. My friend is temporarily unemployed and got his covid19 350 euro immediately, his wife hasnt been affected and still works and earns over 120k per year. How does this happen"
seamus wrote: » We're not. Deaths and cases are on a downward trend and have been since mid-April. At the current rate we're looking at 100-150 cases/day or so on 18th May, even with the expansion in testing.
is_that_so wrote: » More cases => contact trace => isolate => rinse =fewer cases in time.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Are day trippers from other countries allowed go where they want in these continental countries? Or their Travelling Community or similar ethnic minority exempt from everyone elses laws?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Ahhh, another day in lockdown. So, rangers in Wicklow Mountains National Park have been told to stay at home due to social distancing. They have the most isolated job on the planet as you can appreciate, wondering around the forest by themselves. Here, we will be laughed at for many years to come with our nonsense approach. News update - German Bundesliga will resume May 15th (1 week from now). 198 players will take to the pitch and break all social distancing rules Simon Harris wishes for for about 90 minutes.
easypazz wrote: » Purely anecdotal but people went in and panic bought all around them. Then the meat factories couldn't keep up and had extra shifts, overtime etc. and now they are infected.
stephenjmcd wrote: » I'm not saying all the public are saints far from it but this discussion was raised in the Irish times last week amongst other papers, whenever things don't look to be going right the blame is pushed back from the dept of health onto general public, your doing great but not quite there and now this comes to light. A few own goals ? The statement regarding the disclosure added: “Unfortunately I can give many examples of breaches of health and safety in (name of facility removed) including inappropriate, stringent rationing of PPE; extremely poor quality PPE; the non-availability of PPE; inadequate and inconsistent visitor restrictions; the transfer and movement of patients to/from contaminated areas; the failure to identify symptomatic patients; delays and failures to isolate symptomatic patients and patients confirmed as COVID-19 positive; conflicts and poor communication between nursing and medical teams regarding patient management and care; no testing plan; and withholding information from the families of residents."
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