mandrake04 wrote: » I don’t think that’s good enough, putting people in a hotel guarantees protecting every else and charge the individual for it ensures the are reminded of the seriousness of the situation. I know you won’t agree or want to believe this could happen because of your personal situation but at some stage the government will get jack of extending the lockdown and they will do this. They done it in other countries that have been successful at reducing numbers, it comes to the point governments don’t trust minority of citizens anymore than minority of citizens trust government. But they will push for the greater good and the majority will support them.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1257723650469441536 Good man Andrew.
Penfailed wrote: » There were three or four replies giving good advice. Did you miss them?
JRant wrote: » The government are though, that's the problem for many. There will be no real "easing" of restrictions until mid July at the earliest according to their own road map. You might be allowed see your family by then, sure you might even be lucky enough to get a haircut but that's about the size of it. Even phase 5 is a complete cod.
JRant wrote: » We have no defined metrics on when we move to the next phase of back for that matter. Well apart the CMO and his vague "the numbers are not where we want them to do". He should bloody well tell us what the numbers should be not giving us vague wishy-washy BS.
frillyleaf wrote: » They won’t be able to extend the lockdown, restrictions will lift on the 18th. People won’t listen if they did, everything is far more relaxed now
mandrake04 wrote: » The case numbers are not that much better than they were on the 1st May when they decided it’s not good enough, still 37 people died yesterday. Obviously the virus is not relaxed any...so your wrong there. Ok so they ease restrictions on 18th possibly still 150-200 cases per day, 2 weeks later numbers go up and it’s another lockdown. So relaxed
ceadaoin. wrote: » So what, stay shut down for possibly years? At some stage we have to face the fact that this isn't going anywhere. 99%+ of people are going to be fine. Allow those at higher risk to stay sheltered, with government financial support if they can't work. Everyone else just get on with things, accepting the risk. Reduce this risk as much as possible by wearing masks and continued social distancing in public as much as is reasonable, practicing good hygiene etc. I can't see any other option. The alternative is society being absolutely ****ed for generations.
With the stringent restrictions due to be reviewed on Thursday – and details to be announced on Sunday – the prime minister is expected to change the rules so that people would be able to leave the house repeatedly in a single day, so long as they keep a safe distance from anyone from outside their household.
Meanwhile the continued high number of new Covid-19 cases – 6,111 on Tuesday – is likely to deter ministers from more radical steps.
mandrake04 wrote: » Not years possibly to mid-late June I seem to remember that Ireland locked down on 13th March because they hit 90 cases in total, they are now getting 3 times that a day and they still got over 6000 active cases. A week later NZ had 106 cases and they shut down for 33 days, they have 2-3 cases per day and 130 active cases. Australia had 500 cases and they didn't really shut down as much as NZ and they have less than 20 cases per day. Ireland clearly has a problem that needs to be fixed, I know the growth has slowed somewhat but there is little sign of victory but with a little more time it could achieve that.
Thespoofer wrote: » Just heard Dr. T. Holohan essentially say that there's no guarantees of allowing outdoor workers on May 18th. If we're prevented again from going back to work I am going to snap. There. I just had to get this off my chest.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » 256 new cases yesterday. Way above where we need to be. This is a direct result of fecklessness by some of the population. Some see fit to have house parties, hang out in groups, go to parks and all the rest of it and this is the result of that. No point blaming Holohan if the measures need to remain as they are.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » 256 new cases yesterday. Way above where we need to be. This is a direct result of fecklessness by some of the population. Some see fit to have house parties, hang out in groups, go to parks and all the rest of it and this is the result of that. And the posters on this thread telling people to ignore guidelines, that it's not so bad, it's just the old (fcuk em) - you're a total disgrace and you should have a look at yourselves. Selfish and ignorant - not a good combination. No point blaming Holohan if the measures need to remain as they are.
the kelt wrote: » Of course it’s just easier to blame joe public for all the issues because there’s enough sheep around to accept it.
the kelt wrote: » Yeah I mean over half our cases are in nursing homes so them house parties are the reason alright along with the spike in direct provision centres. House parties and the rest Of it. The fact that our testing capacity still isn’t up to where it was meant to be several weeks ago and it’s taking the bones of a week for turning around a result have nothing to do with it. Of course it’s just easier to blame joe public for all the issues because there’s enough sheep around to accept it.
pjohnson wrote: » And where do the rest come from?
Loozer wrote: » Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?
the kelt wrote: » Not from nursing homes would be a good guess. Did we get confirmation last night that all the new cases were not from care homes, community setting etc? Genuine question as I don’t know?
A third of people arriving in Ireland over the last six weeks refused to hand over details of where they were staying to allow authorities confirm they were self-isolating. The Irish Independent has seen new figures which show hundreds of people who flew in to Dublin Airport during that time did not fill in forms detailing where they would be staying. The forms requested information about the address where the individual would stay for the two weeks after they arrived here.
mandrake04 wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-refusing-to-give-details-of-plans-for-quarantine-39187275.html?fbclid=IwAR0XAAD18WtPUZhKczCh4-hZnNHsmdXPj6EwiQ5Yf44LoKgWSuJBcyqq-IQ This is the problem, the sooner the government puts people in forced Isolation the better, maybe give them a bit of kicking to ensure they dont get itchy feet
gozunda wrote: » Jac A couple of small points there 1. The elderly and those with LTI who live independently are being advised to cocoon. Most I know are observing this to be fair 2. Those residents in care homes (elderly and others) cannot effectively cocoon or fully socially isolate due to the nature of such settings Ie they are effectivrly living in large groups which are almost impossible to keep completely apart for operational reasons. 3. Such care homes are not isolated from the wider community because of staff etc who travel to and from such places and also necessary provisioning. It only takes one single asymptomatic or pre symptomatic person coming in to these settings to cause the infection to spread like wildfire. 4. Everyone can get the disease. Not just the elderly. A significant proportion of those hospitalised are under 65 5. The issue of care homes is prevalent in many countries worldwide - primarily I believe because of point 2 above 6. You don't like 'Tony' - grand. But no matter who it is telling us the numbers are not good enough - the CMO or whoever It remains - they're not. The UK has made the same statement regarding it's current situation. 7. There is no 'laughing stock' when the real risk is to our health services being potentially overwhelmed and to the numbers in the wider community continuing to increase. 8. No there is no current vaccine - however we continue to attempt to control the numbers infected both in the wider community and elsewhere . 9. The current restrictions are not soley about 'deaths' see no. 7. 10. We are not the only country with restrictions - however the direction here to 'stay at home was implemented approx 2 weeks after most other EU countries. Yes restrictions will be rolled back as elsewhere as things hopefully improve. That needs time. Impatience and panic will not help however
Seamai wrote: » Tony Holohan also mentioned yesterday that many of those new community cases are in the younger age group. There is every chance that the date for the start of at least one of those relaxation steps will be missed due to conditions not being where they should be, so it's up to each one of us to do everything possible to insure this doesn't happen. Slacking at this stage will only prolong things.
is_that_so wrote: » Well they've returned to the original definition so you would imagine more would come out of that initially. The dilemma here is that compliance with further delays is going to wane and very quickly. The testing system doing its thing effectively is crucial in this. I really think they need to stick to May 18 but after that circumstances may require adjustments.
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