Seanergy wrote: » Appears this machine is up and running in Sligo....as stated in his tweat less than an hour ago, STRILE PACKING MACHINE NEEDED FOR MASKS. They look like kn95's....Sands is on twitter engaging with Aerlingus and Covney in public tweats. Obviously, public is down the waiting list, supplies to be focused elsewhere first. EXTRACT FROM ARTICLE BEHIND UK TIMES FIREWALL BELOW Mr Sands, co-founder of Answer Ireland’s Call, said he was working on creating a supply-line of masks in Ireland by producing them here. “We will be producing FFP2 masks for the front line, and beyond that we want to be able to create a supply chain and distribution line for every man, woman and child in Ireland to get masks in their door, delivered in a certain number, at cost, on a weekly or monthly basis,” he said. Answer Ireland’s Call, a not-for-profit, was set up to support the HSE’s Be On Call for Ireland campaign. It has raised funds to fly Irish medics home from abroad, provide accommodation so they can self-isolate and also sources personal protection equipment. Mr Sands, a former Silicon Valley technology executive who recently returned to Ireland from California, added: “We have been given permission by the HSE to import a mask-making machine. We are looking at Asia and Europe at the moment but we have some other options.”
Arrival wrote: » https://www.newstalk.com/news/expert-says-hes-now-begging-government-change-guidelines-face-masks-1010840
"The Royal Society, a very famous institution, issued a big report two days ago summarising the evidence… the best brains in the world say you have to wear a mask in a supermarket or on public transport.
2u2me wrote: » Luke O’Neill - Professor of Biochemistry at the School of Immunology at Trinity College Dublin Probably just another youtube conspiracy theorist!
sunbeam wrote: » So what happens to people who cannot wear them for medical reasons-breathing difficulties etc? Will we require some kind of medical cert to carry around at all times or just have to stay at home?
2u2me wrote: » Luke O’Neill - Professor of Biochemistry at the School of Immunology at Trinity College Dublin
Zardoz wrote: » He is the so called expert who was on the Late Late Show saying that there was no evidence that wearing a facemask will protect you at all and people wearing them were getting carried away as they had seen too many horror films. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7_P2RmrA6U
"Masks are effective if you're infected" "It'll stop me coughing it on you" "There's no evidence that wearing a face mask will protect you(the wearer) at all" "The main reason is to stop you spreading it"
"If you're not infected no reason to wear a face mask" "But if you don't have this, no need to wear a face mask"
stephenjmcd wrote: » Except they have a functioning government to make mask wearing mandatory. We dont. Current caretaker government can't sign anything else into law at the moment. It wouldn't be in law here and they know it, hence it'll be a non enforceable recommendation.
2u2me wrote: » All of the above seems correct. However these below statements were made before we knew asymptomatic people were also spreaders. The upload date on this video is Feb 28th. I think news of asymptomatic spreaders was out on April 20th.
Manion wrote: » Watching that clip, he's right in what he says if you take the question to be about surgical or basic cotton masks as opposed to respirators or medical grade FFP2/3 masks. He makes it clear that yes masks are good if you have the virus and stopping you infecting others. They do very little to stop you getting the virus. The point he's making is something people are still struggling to understand. I see a lot of people wearing masks thinking they protect you for others.
Wibbs wrote: » The WHO noted asymptomatic spread in early February. It was being reported in a few of the main medical journals soon after. Germany had published info on one cluster tracked to an asymptomatic patient in mid Feb. But let's forget that and imagine they didn't have basic search engines back then, we know today and have known for over two months that asymptomatic spread is quite the risk and nations that previously held the same position on masks are now rowing back on this, even the Americans are. And yet our bunch are still peddling the mantra of "Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick" with an added copypasta(and uninformative) sop of how to wear a mask if you choose too and have no intention of changing that. In fact they removed references to masks from their breaking lockdown plans in the last week. As for masks not protecting "at all". Again we have the magical one way valve mask in action. They apparently will stop my cough getting to you, but completely fail at stopping your cough getting to me. And as for "just wash your hands", have a look at the studies and science behind how effective that is. It's not nearly so clear how effective that is. Handwashing and wearing a mask shows a much greater efficacy.
First, most common household fabrics, such as T-shirt material, have 40% or higher droplet blocking when used as a single layer. In two layers, to our surprise, T-shirt fabric had a 98% droplet blocking efficiency—exceeding that of the medical mask, while maintaining better breathability. Second, most common fabrics are hydrophilic, meaning they up soak water, whereas medical masks are hydrophobic, meaning they repel water. This tells us that common household fabrics use an alternative mechanism to hold droplets by retaining them.
Arrival wrote: » Have you ever had an opinion or a stance on a topic, encountered new evidence or been exposed to a different way of thinking and then changed your mind as a result? This happens fairly often, at least with reasonable people
Wibbs wrote: » As for masks not protecting "at all". Again we have the magical one way valve mask in action. They apparently will stop my cough getting to you, but completely fail at stopping your cough getting to me. And as for "just wash your hands", have a look at the studies and science behind how effective that is. It's not nearly so clear how effective that is. Handwashing and wearing a mask shows a much greater efficacy.
is_that_so wrote: » It's advice not a requirement . As Harris has said you can make an informed decision. Gotta ask here though are you seriously going to walk around with a mask on your face until a vaccine is found?
Wibbs wrote: » Sense? With the calibre of mediocre muppets we have in charge? Just add this to the list of screwups and delays in our handling of this. Though it beggars belief that they are so hellbent on removing masks from the equation now when even the anti mask nations have done an about turn regarding them. Other than Sweden I can't think of another EU nation that isn't mandating them for at least some situations like public transport? It's mad, the Irish authorities finally pluck up the courage to have an independent thought and it's a retarded one. Figures. Like I reckoned earlier they'll accept three to four thousand dead and claim success because we predicted it could have been much higher, blah blah. Sure aren't we great.
Mike3287 wrote: » It's either isolate that group from society or gear them up Virus can't be stopped here now, it's too widespread and do we have the man power to enforce mask wearing country wide? I'd love everyone to maskup, it's the the way to go I wear a mask/eye wear out and about and when I have to meet clients What's your solution? Mask up whole country and enforce it? Can it be done?
McGiver wrote: » Of course it can be done. Korea, Taiwan, Japan, China, Singapore, Czechia, Austria, Germany, France, some US jurisdictions. The list goes on.
64 studies met inclusion criteria; 43 studies addressed burden of HCW infections (15 on SARS-CoV-2), and 34 studies addressed risk factors (3 on SARS-CoV-2). Health care workers accounted for a significant proportion of coronavirus infections and may experience particularly high infection incidence after unprotected exposures. Illness severity was lower than in non-HCWs. Depression, anxiety, and psychological distress were common in HCWs during the coronavirus disease 2019 outbreak. The strongest evidence on risk factors was on PPE use and decreased infection risk. The association was most consistent for masks but was also observed for gloves, gowns, eye protection, and handwashing
Arrival wrote: » That's brilliant to see. I can't help wondering what's going on in that factory in Limerick that produce masks, are they increasing capacity to help in a similar way? Are they purely fulfilling orders for the health services staff? Seems to be sparse details on it so far
pinkyeye wrote: » So in summary, I won't wear a mask in general unless everyone else is wearing one or if I'm going to be close to someone who is vunerable.
