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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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road_high

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It'll never be paid off, the ECB should give unconditional loans to cover it

Why “should” they? If other countries can get their economy back running I don’t see why we are some kind of special (basket) case

road_high

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“We will have to, in some way, pay for this in the future”. Pascal

I wonder how far into the future he means. Maybe next month?

Softening the waters before the big cuts are brought in. PS pay and welfare will be first in line because without hefty cuts there the savings won’t amount to very much.

Birdie Num Num

easypazz wrote: »

Open the fcuking country.

Improve testing.

Shield the vulnerable groups

Social distance as much as is practical.

Temporary hospital capacity available at a realistic price, and available at short notice, as in have access to parts of state owned facilities

Army to store sufficient medical equipment so that additional hospital capacity can be made available at short notice.

Do it all by the end of June, this July 20th to travel 20kM and August 10th to partial opening of bars etc. is not a realistic plan at all.

McGregor?

Quantum Erasure

Deleted User wrote: »

“We will have to, in some way, pay for this in the future”. Pascal

I wonder how far into the future he means. Maybe next month?

It'll never be paid off, the ECB should give unconditional loans to cover it

Mad_maxx

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well the banks seemed to do alright after the last crisis they seem to weather every storm. If you don't want to question your betters that's up to you to tug your forelock.

the banks are doing terrible and were doing terrible prior to this crisis

hopalongcass

jmayo wrote: »

As with all your posts so far you are talking a lot out of your ass.
In fact we do produce ventilators, primarily for export and we do purchase ventilators from US based companies.
Medtronic, formerly Covidien Healthcare, in Galway was aiming to knock out 1000 ventilators a week.

Now both of these are in theory Irish based companies since HQed here, but really they are US founded and US run.
But that doesn't negate from fact we do build ventilators and a fooking lot of them.
Hell isn't trump bellowing that medical production needs to be brought back to US from China and Ireland.
Now due to way world works the ones we build are going somewhere else and the ones we use are coming from somewhere else.
That is modern trade.

And as for your patriotic cr** and seeing language as some sort of binding agent for a nation.
Maybe just stay off the sauce.

I wasn't talking to you my friend but feel free to butt in and throw insults around,i think it is you who is on the sauce,feeling big on the internet my man.You are no doubt stepped on in your personal life,you reek of it,got your wine out enjoying your free wages haha fair play but you wouldn't dare speak to me like that to my face but the internet makes men out of mice doesn't it.

Then you went on to say i am wrong but i am actually right haha good point,the companies are not Irish.This is the running joke in perceived poorer countries like Thailand and other Poor Asian countries they make the goods and buy them back again from the the companies at retail price.Made in Thailand is a pretty famous song about this you might learn something from it and you are even proud of this and accept its just part of trade.

The companies making them are British or American,we are no different to a country like Thailand that they use for cheaper labour we do not make them ourselves the expertise comes from abroad and the cheap semi skilled labour and tax breaks comes from us.

Mad_maxx

drove from galway to mullingar and back today , big change in terms of people out and about , traffic on the roads etc , ninety minute trip each way , not a sign of a check point

maybe the cops realise people wont be curtailed any longer ?

jmayo

hopalongcass wrote: »

Well i am assuming you to be reasonably intelligent,and now i noticed your profile is since 2008 so if you are of a certain age and have reasonable intelligence,how can you not have seen what this government and all previous governments in your lifetime have done?It could be simply cognitive dissonance but the absolute contempt these politicians have shown toward its own people is on a level rarely seen in the world.

I personally think losing our language leaves us with little in common patriotically speaking and half of us have secret desires to be British.While a lot of other countries have their own common language it makes them a bit more patriotic towards their brethren and don't inflict the kind of misery on their own people if they can possibly avoid it,whereas its the first option for our leaders.

While spending their way out a recession will work for Britain and America since they have plenty of their own production so while they are borrowing and spending they are buying a lot of their PPE and ventilators from companies in their respective countries thus stimulating their economies,this won't work for us we cannot even pick strawberries or manufacture face masks let alone ventilators.

We have to send hundreds and hundreds of millions to China for simple masks,i wouldn't even like to hazard a guess on how much we are paying the British and Americans for ventilators,sad fact is we are unable to produce anything at this point ,we rely on being a tax haven and manufacture practically nothing indigenously,so spending isn't helping our economy in any way.We are just building other economies on the backs of our children its shameful and anyone endorsing this as an Irish person should be ashamed.

As for printing money just i don't know if you are serious or not but you cannot just print money ad infinitum without consequences,money is just a representation of value,you can only print so much money.And even if that were true and worked Germany holds all the power in that area and they ain't coming to anyone's rescue.

As with all your posts so far you are talking a lot out of your ass.
In fact we do produce ventilators, primarily for export and we do purchase ventilators from US based companies.
Medtronic, formerly Covidien Healthcare, in Galway was aiming to knock out 1000 ventilators a week.

Now both of these are in theory Irish based companies since HQed here, but really they are US founded and US run.
But that doesn't negate from fact we do build ventilators and a fooking lot of them.
Hell isn't trump bellowing that medical production needs to be brought back to US from China and Ireland.
Now due to way world works the ones we build are going somewhere else and the ones we use are coming from somewhere else.
That is modern trade.

And as for your patriotic cr** and seeing language as some sort of binding agent for a nation.
Maybe just stay off the sauce.

[Deleted User]

“We will have to, in some way, pay for this in the future”. Pascal

I wonder how far into the future he means. Maybe next month?

road_high

alwald wrote: »

Your motivation to open up everything ASAP is clearer now!!

It’s four months away...not sure what your definition of ASAP would be?

alwald

Ginger n Lemon wrote:

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

Your motivation to open up everything ASAP is clearer now!!

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1258068581260103680?s=19

Those reckless Germans again...

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You have a vivid imagination if you believe that will happen.

Yes better stay in miserable lockdown rather than getting out and living. The rest of Europe/the world should be more like us and sit at home doing nothing

Cork Boy 53

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

More good news, for us this time

"
A COVID-19 antibody test, said to be 99.8% accurate, could soon be available in Ireland.

The test has been developed by Swiss giant Roche Diagnostics and has already been approved for use in the US.

The company, which has a base in Dublin, said its Elecsys test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% - meaning it gives no false negative results and only one in 500 false positives.

The antibody test indicates whether a patient has been exposed to the virus and recovered."

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

You have a vivid imagination if you believe that will happen.

[Deleted User]

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

More good news, for us this time

"
A COVID-19 antibody test, said to be 99.8% accurate, could soon be available in Ireland.

The test has been developed by Swiss giant Roche Diagnostics and has already been approved for use in the US.

The company, which has a base in Dublin, said its Elecsys test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% - meaning it gives no false negative results and only one in 500 false positives.

The antibody test indicates whether a patient has been exposed to the virus and recovered."

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

They also have capacity to make 100m tests per month

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1258068581260103680?s=19

Ginger n Lemon

More good news, for us this time

"
A COVID-19 antibody test, said to be 99.8% accurate, could soon be available in Ireland.

The test has been developed by Swiss giant Roche Diagnostics and has already been approved for use in the US.

The company, which has a base in Dublin, said its Elecsys test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% - meaning it gives no false negative results and only one in 500 false positives.

The antibody test indicates whether a patient has been exposed to the virus and recovered."

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

road_high

boring accountant wrote: »

Nature was always going to take its course. Nature is still taking its course even with the lockdown in place. Shutting down businesses is a massively disproportionate infringement on our rights compared to the dangers posed. The lockdown/cocooning should be made voluntary. Then all but the most shrill authoritarians will get what they want.

Yes it should be optional and would be very easy to do for those affected these days. They should count themselves lucky and let the rest of us get back to living

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Long outdated economic theory.

LOl...just goes to show how little you know. It is thought in every university around the world to this very day.

How do you think health insurance and life assurance companies assess an individuals monthly premium? What economic model and algorithms do you think they use? Same with pensions...pension age rising you may have noticed.

People are reduced to figures and formulas based on their economic value. This clearly comes as a great shock to some people.

To an insurance company you are cheaper dead than having to fork out for medical care into your 80s and 90s.

There you go. Something new for you to think about

pjohnson

partyguinness wrote: »

Okay I have no idea what you are going on about as it is a rather confused post but kudos for shoehorning SF into the debate.

Just another outdated disproven rhetoric sorry "conviction" you used. "Old vote young tweet".

hopalongcass

Deleted User wrote: »

Tell me, what do you understand a shill to be, because I have no link or relationship, personal, professional or otherwise with any organisation in individuals you seem to suggest I am a shill for. I formulate my own opinion on what I see, read and listen to.
And my view is the the recovery from this should see a fundamental reorganisation in the global monetary system more radical than the abandonment of the gold standard and the acceptance that debt on a sovereign level is not a negative but the fundamental underpinning of a countries ability to formulate policy and look after its citizens. Only way out of this from an economic standpoint is to spend, and as long as we can maintain a productive workforce and economy, the level of debt will never matter as we can just refinance ad infinitum (print more money). ECB have already started this with 750bn at a negative rate.
Also, as much as we hate bankers, the only way to adequately ensure this liquidity gets distributed to those who need it is through a functional and well regulated banking system

Well i am assuming you to be reasonably intelligent,and now i noticed your profile is since 2008 so if you are of a certain age and have reasonable intelligence,how can you not have seen what this government and all previous governments in your lifetime have done?It could be simply cognitive dissonance but the absolute contempt these politicians have shown toward its own people is on a level rarely seen in the world.

I personally think losing our language leaves us with little in common patriotically speaking and half of us have secret desires to be British.While a lot of other countries have their own common language it makes them a bit more patriotic towards their brethren and don't inflict the kind of misery on their own people if they can possibly avoid it,whereas its the first option for our leaders.

While spending their way out a recession will work for Britain and America since they have plenty of their own production so while they are borrowing and spending they are buying a lot of their PPE and ventilators from companies in their respective countries thus stimulating their economies,this won't work for us we cannot even pick strawberries or manufacture face masks let alone ventilators.

We have to send hundreds and hundreds of millions to China for simple masks,i wouldn't even like to hazard a guess on how much we are paying the British and Americans for ventilators,sad fact is we are unable to produce anything at this point ,we rely on being a tax haven and manufacture practically nothing indigenously,so spending isn't helping our economy in any way.We are just building other economies on the backs of our children its shameful and anyone endorsing this as an Irish person should be ashamed.

As for printing money just i don't know if you are serious or not but you cannot just print money ad infinitum without consequences,money is just a representation of value,you can only print so much money.And even if that were true and worked Germany holds all the power in that area and they ain't coming to anyone's rescue.

partyguinness

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah the "sheep" card. The ultimate trick to refute any modern science or education.

Honourable mention to the "old vote young tweet" line regularly used pre election to guarantee SF wouldnt get a significant vote. And we saw how that turned out.

Okay I have no idea what you are going on about as it is a rather confused post but kudos for shoehorning SF into the debate.

Ginger n Lemon

hmmm wrote: »

Your concern for the elderly is touching, but is in stark contrast to your liking a post about reopening where we are told the elderly and sick "are well beyond their economic use". So maybe spare us the heart strings.

If I was 85 years old, I would completely disregard any medical or scientific advice or Imperial college models and hug my grandchildren. It is called human nature. I appreciate not everyone is like me, but I'd say good chunk of people would be.

It seems like in the last 4 months we forgot what human nature is, we think that cocooning is a normal thing. going into isolation is normal. Doing your best to avoid other human being other than the one you live with is normal. Each to its own.

partyguinness

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. You must have missed this bit.

The point is kids were not "bunkered" as claimed.

Painting the current pandemic as a conflict of interests of the selfish old and the powerless youth is absolute rubbish and helps nothing.

The general populace are going to start getting **** sick of the 'lock down' and it will breakdown which is why Governments are under pressure to get an exit plan in place asap. The goodwill and patience with regard wrapping up the elderly and venerable will only stretch so far. Policy makers know this too.

It is going to turn into a 'conflict' (in the very mild figurative sense of the word) - the seeds and grumblings have already started in several countries but perhaps you do not see it yet.

boring accountant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah but sure some people here believe you should just let nature takes its course with the elderly and sick who are of no longer of economic use, or was that just you?

Nature was always going to take its course. Nature is still taking its course even with the lockdown in place. Shutting down businesses is a massively disproportionate infringement on our rights compared to the dangers posed. The lockdown/cocooning should be made voluntary. Then all but the most shrill authoritarians will get what they want.

pjohnson

partyguinness wrote: »

And why wouldn't I be?

Just because a few Holy Mary's got a basic lessen in law and economic theory which they did not like I should all of a sudden back track? That says more about you than me with your sheep mentality.

I stand by my convictions.

Ah the "sheep" card. The ultimate trick to refute any modern science or education.

Honourable mention to the "old vote young tweet" line regularly used pre election to guarantee SF wouldnt get a significant vote. And we saw how that turned out.

JMNolan

I actually don't mind too much that we may have over reacted. But

1) I'm not sure we did. Italians wandering around Dublin on the 7th March suggests we didn't over react
2) Why do we need to double down on an exit plan like no other in the world?

(and of course masks, why no masks?)

hmmm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Put yourself in shoes of an 85 year old granddad with 3 grandchildren, he cant hug them now according to govt guidance, there is no indication when he can hug them, and if he asks - he is going to be told "wait for vaccine". This is seriously depressing for any individual. Regardless if they are in good health or bad health.

Your concern for the elderly is touching, but is in stark contrast to your liking a post about reopening where we are told the elderly and sick "are well beyond their economic use". So maybe spare us the heart strings.

[Deleted User]

partyguinness wrote: »

And why wouldn't I be?

Just because a few Holy Mary's got a basic lessen in law and economic theory which they did not like I should all of a sudden back track? That says more about you than me with your sheep mentality.

I stand by my convictions.

Long outdated economic theory.

normanoffside

peasant wrote: »

An interesting bit of news there ...

Pharmacies, which at no point were affected by the lockdown and always open for business are in financial trouble:

I would have thought they are doing better than ever, but there you go...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/covid-19-pharmacies-hit-with-surging-costs-lay-off-staff-997888.html

I would presume it's a result of them having no prescriptions to give out seeing as nobody has been able to visit their GP.