seamus wrote: » Should we? What is the effectiveness of mask + distancing? Is it statistically a step up from distancing alone? What kind of mask is required? Do these statistics hold up in the real world? In the same way that condoms are 98% effective in the lab, and 82% effective in the real world, what is the actual effectiveness of mask-wearing? I'm not asking you these questions, btw. I'm illustrating that the question of using masks is not that simple when you expand it beyond teh use of medical-grade PPE in healthcare settings.
is_that_so wrote: » As a stopgap payment it makes sense and it is far easier and quicker to set up and manage if everyone in the audience gets it. It's also taxable income or it will be.
easypazz wrote: » We also share a land border with the country with the most deaths in Europe. 500000 of our citizens live in Northern Ireland. Are there 1 million Irish passport holders in mainland UK (remember they all got them for Brexit) Might we see an influx of Irish passport holders from the UK due to us having eased restrictions before them.
road_high wrote: » The fact it covered part timers fully and not a pro rata to to match their p/t earnings was/is lunacy. A license to burn money
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Thats precisely whats occuring now. Multiple associations of various business sectors are getting touch with the government and telling them - hey, we can do social distancing in May, June. we dont need to wait until July or August and borrow more of interest free loans from you, we can do business now, safely. And I hope that ALL business associations will do this, because there is virtually so little evidence of things being better in August than in June in terms of safety. If government were getting extra ICU beds and wanted to wait till August - I would say, well not great, you should have ICU beds in case of ANY pandemic. but ok, its reasonable to wait. They arent doing any of this, just paying private hospitals 110m euro per month to stay empty.
is_that_so wrote: » At a guess anywhere below the 60-70 mark on ICU and new cases in double figures at most.
easypazz wrote: » There were people on boards saying they flew in from Canada etc. applied for it and got it, even they hadn't even worked here in years. I know somebody who was completely on the black economy, applied for it, got it, and is still working away on the black economy.
easypazz wrote: » Also deaths below 10, I know its a lagging indicator but a lot of people think its reflective of the live situation, and its also a headline grabber.
uli84 wrote: » This is shocking if true
is_that_so wrote: » I think most of them will be told to go away. The pub case is an interesting one and they might prevail. Private beds are being used for normal health activities and even at the price it's a worthwhile precaution for now.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I'd say every business association being turned down by the government will result in 5 000 P45s minimum. So I hope for the sake of our people not 1 of them will be turned away if it is willing to comply with social distancing. good few businesses are unprofitable if running at 50% capacity, so those jobs are lost already. We cant lose ALL the jobs, I hope?
Loozer wrote: » I wonder did they fuKk up meeting the vintners No surprise there, would have been better focussing on business and let the vintners wait
AdamD wrote: » The vintners is business, very big business in this country.
is_that_so wrote: » They are proposing be treated the same as restaurants. Huge numbers BTW employed in both.https://www.hospitalityireland.com/restaurant/estimated-120k-restaurant-pub-staff-laid-off-in-ireland-due-covid-19-92656
fly_agaric wrote: » ^^They are not the same though. Has to be serious doubts they will maintain any promises they make about how they will operate in order to open earlier (in face of pressure from customers, and demands of their bottom line that relies on a pile them in & get them guzzling drink until blathered model!). The guards don't have the numbers to waste their time checking what the pubs are at when they do open up again.
iamwhoiam wrote: » https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136568-dublin-parks/ Parks open for anyone cocooning between1:30 and 3:30 from tomorrow It will be great to get out and enjoy fresh air
Breezin wrote: » You have to wonder who makes these rules. People cocooning are less likely to be working from home. Surely it would be better to let those stuck on a PC all day to get out at lunchtime.
is_that_so wrote: » But you can get out at any time!
mollser wrote: » This is kind of the exact time that kids use the parks though! They are generally doing home school from 9 - 12 (generally with rte2's show from 11 to 12), then go out for air in the afternoon! Better to have the parks from 9 to 11 for the over 70's ffs
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Pretty interesting. Just googled "Denmark lifting restrictions", 9/10 top results from google are over 2 weeks old. They've been lifting restrictions since 14th of April. Surely if there is a spike in cases or deaths from their reckless approach of not staying at home for further 3 months we would hear about that? Kinda feel like - Denmark opens up & does ok, no news coverage. UK reports 400 more deaths - all over the news. Could the "save the 70 year olds" brigade please enlighten me, are Denmark people much healthier than here? or is covid19 much weaker in Denmark?
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