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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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road_high

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Love human nature. Just so human isnt it to completely disregard Leo's waffle from late late and get on with your work and life.

I think that purely because of this individual we can be safely assured that the common sense will prevail. Anything else and you ll have barbers wearing astronaut protective costume trying to cut your hair.

Great to hear that barber story. Only way we can crush this mind numbing inane nanny state rubbish is by people getting on with their lives and work and basically ignoring it from here on. And let the Gardai raid the lot

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Lots of legal professionals would disagree with you

Eh? Do you just throw random unsubstantiated claims out there and hope some of them will stick? A good legal professional could claim that black was white...it wouldn't make it correct.

sterz

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

South Dublin

Sure throw out his name there and we can all help him get the country back up and running.

Ginger n Lemon

Directly from NPHET minutes of 14th of April meeting

There is anecdotal evidence and the number of presentations indicating that patients are reluctant to attend the acute setting for non-COVID care. The importance of ensuring a strong focus on continued delivery of non-COVID care was underlined by the NPHET. The ongoing collaboration of DOH and other
stakeholders to optimise the utilisation of all available capacity nationally for the continued delivery of COVID-care and non-COVID care was welcomed by the NPHET.

What in the gods name is this. Anecdotal? A bit of humour about people not attending hospitals for their chest pains etc being scared of contracting covid19 from RTEs fear mongering?

They are trying to "utilise" all available capacity of empty hospitals yet its anecdotally clear that people do not want to go there. What a waste of resources. And this stuff is from mid April..

RugbyLad11

sterz wrote: »

Where are you based?

South Dublin

sterz

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

My local barber is open, you need to make an appointment and he has his blinds down so people can't see inside.

I know people won't be happy to hear that but I say fair play to him we need to get this country back up and running.

Imagine the guards raiding a barbers and arresting people for getting their haircut...

Where are you based?

SCOOP 64

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

My local barber is open, you need to make an appointment and he has his blinds down so people can't see inside.

I know people won't be happy to hear that but I say fair play to him we need to get this country back up and running.

Imagine the guards raiding a barbers and arresting people for getting their haircut...

Were i work it does not meet the criteria for opening on the 18th may but i know i will get a phone call from work that weekend to be in work Monday regardless as will hundred of others ,employers just want there business's up and running again.

easypazz

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.

Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.

Thoughts?

If numbers taper off in the next week or two it will be a no brainer.

Will it be viable for pubs to open is another matter.

Ginger n Lemon

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

My local barber is open, you need to make an appointment and he has his blinds down so people can't see inside.

I know people won't be happy to hear that but I say fair play to him we need to get this country back up and running.

Imagine the guards raiding a barbers and arresting people for getting their haircut...

Love human nature. Just so human isnt it to completely disregard Leo's waffle from late late and get on with your work and life.

I think that purely because of this individual we can be safely assured that the common sense will prevail. Anything else and you ll have barbers wearing astronaut protective costume trying to cut your hair.

Allinall

Speakerboxx wrote: »

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

He was elected as the youngest ever TD, rose swiftly to become minister for agriculture during one of the most difficult times for irish farmers.

He was successful in every election he contested.

He resigned from politics on his own terms.

Tell me how he was a failed politician?

Quantum Erasure

lord quackinton wrote: »

This has been coming but the virus and the lockdown has escalated it
I regularly warn people trump is just mad enough to pull the trigger

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0504/1136374-pharma-trump-ireland-coronavirus-vaccine/

They will want access to eu through Ireland so will keep a presence but trump wants R and D back in the USA
American companies like Abbott and west pharma etc will come under serious pressure to invest back home
We lose any big pharma over next few years we are goosed

Time to open up now

bit of a non sequitur there?

RugbyLad11

My local barber is open, you need to make an appointment and he has his blinds down so people can't see inside.

I know people won't be happy to hear that but I say fair play to him we need to get this country back up and running.

Imagine the guards raiding a barbers and arresting people for getting their haircut...

Tenzor07

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.
Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.
Thoughts?

Yea i'm sure the multi millionaire Charlie Chalk would lov to see one of his many pubs openining and his staff being paid minimum wage..

Not sure if there's an association for the ordinary pub workers? I would like to hear from them first before all the landlords...

FintanMcluskey

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.

Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.

Thoughts?

It will all balance on debate. If Heather Humphreys gets to put pressure on the the pubs will open quicker than August. But its all dependant on when the economic catastrophe looming get's some consideration by the 3 in charge, and that wont happen without debate

addaword

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.

Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.

Thoughts?

Not going to work. After a few drinks social distancing goes out, people ask can I sit here etc.

Nickindublin

lord quackinton wrote: »

not true

I worked Pharma for years. We dont do a lot of R&D here. The pharma company i worked for did all their R&D in the states probably approx 3000 working R&D and it was a company with massive profits. But what we do a lot of here is manufacturing of bulk tablets and shipping them back to the states to be packaged. This was all for tax reasons. Have a friend who is currently working in exports at the airport. He is down to a couple of days a week like most nowadays. He told me that the only thing going out of the airport is pharma to the states.

But lets be realistic here Trump is talking the same since he took office, Most of pharma here is exports in the the EU and globally excluding the states. He can only take back what is being made for the states. And thats mainly just tablet manufacture from my experience and it would take years to do this.

Also i forgot to mention. There is a lot of pharma that moves through Ireland but never physically hits here for Tax reasons.

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Eli lilly, Regeneron, Abbvie the list is endless for R&D and bio. The manufacturer and fill is in no way the complete pharmaceutical industry in Ireland.

Your right on one thing Fill not the complete picture. But R&D my left one.

Every one of those companies is here for one reason and one reason only. Plenty of them list R&D because the IDA offers construction grants when they say its for R&D. These multinationals get buildings built for very little because they say it’s R&D, and it’s manufacturing / admin space.

Ginger n Lemon

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.

Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.

Thoughts?

BMurr

Fann Linn wrote: »

Are we allowed drive to the beach for a swim or take the boat out on Lough Ree?

RNLI and coastguard guard have asked people to not enter the water so that their services aren't strained rescuing people and potentially exposing their crews to Covid19. However after seeing RTE having a report on surfers having encountered basking sharks while surfing within their 2km zone I'd have to wonder if anyone is taking their request seriously.

FintanMcluskey

lord quackinton wrote: »

not true

Eli lilly, Regeneron, Abbvie the list is endless for R&D and bio. The manufacturer and fill is in no way the complete pharmaceutical industry in Ireland.

lord quackinton

NegativeCreep wrote: »

They manufacture and fill though and carry out very little R&D here.

not true

NegativeCreep

lord quackinton wrote: »

MSD and west pharma are just 2 huge operations
Both worth millions to our economy

They manufacture and fill though and carry out very little R&D here.

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Another poster who believe we are living in a police state. We are not now nor have we ever been living in anything of the kind and I would be of the opinion that we have never been in a lockdown worthy of the name either. We have just had some restrictions to regular activities implemented for the good of the public as a whole.

Lots of legal professionals would disagree with you

lawrencesummers

Speakerboxx wrote: »

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

It depends what your definition of success is.

A pension / income (we need to stop calling former TD’s massive incomes pensions- you get a pension when you reach retirement age. This is an income) of 72k and a Chunky Newstalk salary would be the envy of plenty of people.

(That said, I still won’t listen to him)

lord quackinton

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Very little R&D takes place in pharma in Ireland anyway. We mostly manufacture and fill. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

MSD and west pharma are just 2 huge operations
Both worth millions to our economy

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Two separate but equally controversial issues.

So, answer the question. You don’t like Tony. Who would you have instead?

Its not who I would have its what. Transparency. I want someone who will answer questions and provide justification as to why Ireland will be the most restricted country in Europe this Summer

Cork Boy 53

CruelSummer wrote: »

You have to look at the data, the original data was not correct, the death rates were grossly over-estimated as they just had case-fatality ratios to work off. There are many thousands of people walking around with the virus who are asymptomatic.
We've been asked to give up our entire way of life, live in a police state, destroy Ireland's thriving economy, ruin people's quality of life, and separate/distance family members from each other based on age...due to a virus who's death rate is 1%...other European countries who were severely affected are coming out of lockdown much faster than Ireland. Why is that?
As a voter, I want to know more about who is feeding information to NPHET, and why their actions are different to other EU countries, we as a people have that right.

Another poster who believe we are living in a police state. We are not now nor have we ever been living in anything of the kind and I would be of the opinion that we have never been in a lockdown worthy of the name either. We have just had some restrictions to regular activities implemented for the good of the public as a whole.

boardise

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t like Ivan yeates, he’s to busy trying to be the alpha in every situation to extract a good interview from anyone. Some people like him, that’s their decisions.

But fair play to him, he bul****ted (Like every other politician) his way to a ministers post, packed it all in when he smelt money could be made off degenerate gamblers and when it couldn’t he skipped town and now lives a great life on a pension of 72k paid for by the ordinary people of the country.

I tune into The Hard Shoulder fairly regularly to see if anything might catch my interest.
I rate Yates a sore disappointment overall. He's intelligent and experienced and can certainly take on the pussyfooting PC cr&p that has infected Irish society and politics. Some of his interviews are pretty businesslike. But he spoils it all with these unnecessary sallies into overblown contrarianism and laddism. He could be so much more than what he is .

lawrencesummers

Speakerboxx wrote: »

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

It depends what your definition of success is.

A pension of 72k and a Chunky Newstalk salary would be the envy of plenty of people.

(That said, I still won’t listen to him)

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We pay Ryan Tubridy in the region of 500k for nauseating drivel. Ill happily allow Ivan 72k

Two separate but equally controversial issues.

So, answer the question. You don’t like Tony. Who would you have instead?