CruelSummer wrote: » The problem is it's costing us at LEAST €110 million per month of money we do not have, while all other out patient appointments and tests are suspended. This is not warranted or justified in any way shape or form, death rate from New York where the virus has run rampant is approx 0.5 - 0.75%. Time to open up and fast before we destroy our economy, health, civil liberties, mental wellbeing, and society.
hmmm wrote: » We're barely out of the first wave of a pandemic where the original forecasts were that every country would see their hospitals and ICU overwhelmed. We're still not out of the woods, and the pressure is on to relax the restrictions which have held the virus back. Many forecasters say there will be a second (and possibly further) waves over the rest of the year. How much hospital and ICU space we will need will only become clear in hindsight. Right now I'd say most people are glad we have the spare capacity, and aren't going to argue about the cost. I'm sure the health service are trying to balance "normal" admissions versus trying to predict how many beds they need for Covid. There's an air of unreality in this thread, as if the virus doesn't exist, or we would be happy to see it killing lots of people. We'll need to live with the virus and find ways to do things safely, not pretend it doesn't exist.
road_high wrote: » Measures started very early March in private capacities. Clients cancelled meetings first week of March with me. Just because the Public dictates were behind the rest of us doesn't mean they were less real. Start was a good two months go.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » How much hospital and ICU space needed should be correctly estimated by government officials. Not "hindsight".
The virus exists. It has true mortality rate of 0.1-0.5%. 99% of people it has killed are over 60, and have at least 1 underlying health condition. These are facts.
road_high wrote: » Tuned into Ivan Yates for some common sense...got Mark Cagney with his doom n gloom life changing crap with moany Jess Kelly.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Ivan Yates is the ONLY one on Media challenging the Status Quo of Tony, Leo and Simon. Go Ivan - cant wait until he's back tomorrow and I hope he's in fighting form! He mentioned on Friday how cynical a move it was for Leo to make his announcement after 6pm on Friday and then on the Late Late, when it meant a full 3/4 days before this could be challenged on the national airways (due to Bank holiday). Very deliberate timing.
hmmm wrote: » We're barely out of the first wave of a pandemic where the original forecasts were that every country would see their hospitals and ICU overwhelmed. We're still not out of the woods, and the pressure is on to relax the restrictions which have held the virus back. Many forecasters say there will be a second (and possibly further) waves over the rest of the year. There's an air of unreality in this thread, as if the virus doesn't exist, or we would be happy to see it killing lots of people. We'll need to live with the virus and find ways to do things safely, not pretend it doesn't exist.
hmmm wrote: » Right now I'd say most people are glad we have the spare capacity, and aren't going to argue about the cost.
hmmm wrote: » That's impossible with a new virus. Your definition of facts is loose. Antibody testing is suggesting perhaps 0.65% (e.g. New York numbers), but the tests are not particularly accurate at the moment. 0.65% might not sound like much, but it would mean nearly 30,000 deaths in Ireland if left loose. There is a balance to be found, but I don't share your casual disregard for people over 60 or with underlying conditions. I think we should be trying to protect them, and I doubt you'll get much support for your views.
... the Western World has been encouraged by their lack of responsibility coupled with uncontrolled media and academic errors to commit suicide for an excess burden of death of one month.
Speakerboxx wrote: » Failed politician, failed business man, and failed broadcaster. Why do we want him back?
Discodog wrote: » People are so short sighted. Many think they are being given money & don't realise that it has to be paid back. The HSE will still be a disaster, we will still be building the most expensive children's hospital on Earth & the homeless still won't have anywhere to live.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Well we have handed complete unquestionable control to -a Dr who covered up a health scandal and refused to answer questions on it, a minister who doesnt know what the 19 in Covid 19 means and they refuse transparency from the NPHET meetings. I think Ivan is free to ask a few questions
road_high wrote: » More than reminds me of stories from Nazi Germany- "where are your papers"? Never imagined we'd have anything remotely similar in Ireland 2020 for such a prolonged period.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Who would you have chosen instead?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Ofcourse we need to protect them. We failed protecting 1300 people already.
Penfailed wrote: » Oh FFS! Bitch and moan that the government have shut the place down...and then bitch and moan because people took it upon themselves to shut down. Who are you going to get angry at next? Have you lobbied your TD? Have you contacted your local councillor? ...or are you just bitching and moaning on Boards? How's Leo going to know how strongly you feel about it from posts on Boards?
Allinall wrote: » How was he a failed politician?
road_high wrote: » Grave concern for our economic future is not to be dismissed as "bitching and moaning". It's the height of common sense. Expect to see more get onto this page too as the economic damage becomes all too apparent. Speaking as someone still on full salary and working and likely to continue as such. BTW I'm a FG voter and highly critical of his handling- there is much dissent in FG bot not very vocal for fear of being labelled "OAP Murderers" by the rabid social media mobs.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Ive chosen to listen to Ivan Yates ask questions that deserve answers. It doesn't matter who is control, they must be transparent with the decisions to become the most restrictive nation in Europe in spite of very low ICU stats
ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » Agreed. A guy who argues for the sake of it. Should have stayed in Wales crying into his pints.
Breezin wrote: » Michael Levitt, Stanford Prof. of Biophysics, Cambridge PhD and DSc, 2013 Chemistry Nobel Laureate (complex system), FRS and US National Academy member: The excess burden of death from coronavirus COVID-19 is closer to a month than to a year
lawrencesummers wrote: » So your issue isn’t with him, it’s with the way he is operating? As he has been in his position for some time it’s fair to say that his superiors are happy with his qualifications, experience and approach. So is your problem with his boss then?
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