Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Sweden's unemployment rate as result of pandemic is 10%. ours is 22% according to minister for finance. Ours will go down to 14% September onwards, assuming no 2nd lockdown, Sweden's will go down to the usual 6%. The experiment here, given that death rates are identical in both countries, is going to be how long we can lock our barbers at home for. 4 months. 5?
You do realise that unemployment projections are just a small part of any possible scenario yeah? Quoting Swedens Cental Bank this article details Quote:In the first scenario (scenario A in the chart below), gross domestic product contracts by 6.9% in 2020 before rebounding to grow 4.6% in 2021. In a more negative prediction (scenario , GDP could contract by 9.7% ... The International Monetary Fund predicted earlier in April that Germany and the U.K. will see their economies contract by 6.5% and 7% this year, respectively. France is expected to see a 7.2% contraction, Spain an 8% contraction and for Italy to see its economy shrink 9.1%. Sweden's neighbors Finland and Denmark, which also imposed lockdowns, are also expected to see their economies contract by 6% and 6.5%, respectively... Sweden's supply chains and businesses have been damaged by the pandemic and the Riksbank warned that "many companies will be hit hard and many people will lose their jobs," although it decided to hold its benchmark interest rate at zero this week.
gozunda wrote: » Not reading the thread? Already commented on that.https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html
easypazz wrote: » Swedens economy in tatters. That is the rubbish you came out with. The article you linked to is going for a v shaped recovery in Sweden. You are so clueless you link to articles that undermine your arguments.
in the first scenario ...gross domestic product contracts by 6.9% in 2020 before rebounding to grow 4.6% in 2021. In a more negative prediction (scenario , GDP could contract by 9.7% ... The International Monetary Fund predicted earlier in April that Germany and the U.K. will see their economies contract by 6.5% and 7% this year, respectively. France is expected to see a 7.2% contraction, Spain an 8% contraction and for Italy to see its economy shrink 9.1%. Sweden's neighbors Finland and Denmark, which also imposed lockdowns, are also expected to see their economies contract by 6% and 6.5%, respectively... Sweden's supply chains and businesses have been damaged by the pandemic and the Riksbank warned that "many companies will be hit hard and many people will lose their jobs," although it decided to hold its benchmark interest rate at zero this week.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Whats wrong with having high infection rate if ICU isnt overwhelmed? Are we in the business of 100% protecting our population from flu, coronavirus, should we preach to people how to live their lives to avoid getting HIV too? Life is risk. If you want anything else, you need to stay indoors. If you are very old and have weak immune system, you need to isolate, unfortunately. If you have underlying conditions you need to isolate. Why would you isolate if you are healthy? everybody in this forum, damn even the country know that % of healthy people are easily 95%, perhaps even 98%. If we open tkmaxx this isnt going to go to 50% infection rates..... people maintain social distancing with strangers. They have done so a long time now, how often do you walk right onto the person and expect them to move out of your way?
boetstark wrote: » But c19 is hitting people that are fit and healthy. It is putting them in hospital and in cases on ventilators.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Yes exactly my attitude. Its completely selfish to isolate the healthy to protect the minority of the vulnerable, especially so, when isolating the healthy wont have any effect on what happens in nursing homes
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Nah thats rubbish. Its no more dangerous to that cohort than influenza
boetstark wrote: » Ah will you ever feck off, are you calling me a liar??
gozunda wrote: » That's an attitude alright. A selfish attitude imo. Though I reckon I see your were you are coming from. You simply dont understand anything about this pandemic. So why the need for restrictions for everyone? Because just about anyone can get Covid-19 and all those can spread it. Hence the restictions to control the spread of the disease and to stop health services being overwhelmed - like Italy. Nursing homes across the world are unfortunately badly affected - not just Ireland. The reasons for this is because the people living in such settings cannot socially isolate and have vulnerable people who live alongside the healthy. But more importantly nursing homes cannot be completely isolated from the wider community. Nurses, staff, catering is all required to keep these homes happens. The staff and other personal live in the wider community. Get rid of those restrictions and the infection rate will climb and more people in the community will increasingly bring the disease to those in such settings . Restrictions are there for these exact and very good reasons. That some refuse to acknowledge that is neither here nor there.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » It appears Ireland has. It wouldn't be so if the persons who assumed control were transparent and gave detailed targets to meet, "as low as possible" was a response to a direct question to Tony H. Isn't that some guff of an answer from a guy who has assumed total control. The lack if transparency also exists between Tony, Leo and Simon and the minister's. The document published Friday which will seperate families and remove liberties for 6 months was released so late on Friday the ministers couldn't debate over its functionality. The media loving immunologist's and doctor's have by now embarrassed themselves enough with utter bulls##t models and projections of 120k and above dead in Ireland. The platform they have used needs to be removed week. They have had to much effect with the inaccurate lies and self importance they have been spreading. People have been lead to believe that the restrictions have prevented 120k dying in Ireland which is utter rubbish.From this week on I want every lying goon removed from the TV and the business minister (who hasnt got any airtime for some bizzare reason) sat down with every economist they can drag out of a cave to inform us about whats ahead. If those economist suggest a famine will strike Ireland this Winter, its no less responsible then suggesting Covid will kill 120k in Ireland with no evidence to back up an absurd claim.
Tell me how wrote: » You've no lack of confidence in your own opinion anyway, I'll give you that.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I live in a "Communist" country and everything except inward flights has gone back to normal now. ie. Life is like any other country, but with masks. There is no point in worrying about democracies like Ireland changing. It's a bit weird to equate social distancing rules with communism. It's a health issue, not a political coup.
Emmersonn wrote: » Not what anyone wants.https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-05-03/emerging-from-lockdown-46-days-in-the-house-was-enough
splashuum wrote: » I have looked at the roadmap and think I’ve gathered a few things from it. They’re trusting to keep workers working from home where possible, although it seems large scale offices may go back in phase 4/5. (phase 4 July 20/ phase 5 August 10th) Does that seem correct?
Deleted User wrote: » It’s been mentioned on here a few times. I know 3 people that were hospitalised in December with flu. I’m not exactly old (34) and don’t recall anyone in other years been hospitalised that I know. There was definitely a bad dose going around over winter. Whether it was Covid or just bad flu I don’t know.
gozunda wrote: » If you get it - you risk passing it on to others.
easypazz wrote: » That is a stunnng breakthrough, have you told the WHO yet?
JRant wrote: » Looking at the numbers again this morning and it's even more encouraging than I thought. 60,000 tests carried out last week, which is over 33% of all tests carried out to date (160,000). The percentage of positive results was still well below 5% growth rate day on day. This was mainly nursing homes as well where they know they already have clusters. They plan on beginning residential care settings this week. Numbers down to 93 in ICU and continuing to fall. Disappointed to hear they are only now planning on using the private hospitals for non-covid treatments. They really should have been sweating those assets this whole time as we are paying top dollar for using them. All in all, I think we should be out of this long before August. A new government should be formed in a couple of weeks and will be made up of TDs that actually represent constituents rather than the likes of Ross and Zappone. There is absolutely no way we see the types of restrictions outlined in the roadmap until mid August, especially considering it's costing at least 600 million extra a week so far, not including the 6.5 billion package announced on Friday.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » The first thing I will say is judging by the time put into your posts you need to relax.You have used Italy as an example. Northern Italy suffered where 10m people were over 65 in densely populated areas. This proves restrictions are not required for all scenarios as proved unequivocally in Sweden.Anyhow I am now on my second crate of beer so I apologise if my post sounds like yours
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