NewRed2 wrote: » God almighty, look first off how do you want someone to prove that people are complying with regulations? Is it a certificate you're after? Now secondly nobody in any nation complies with anything 100%, there's always the 1%, so again, yeah you go looking for proof of something impossible and when that's not provided you win your little argument yeah? That's a wee bit sad imo but you go off and celebrate that little victory if it makes you happy. The rest of us can discuss it like adults. When this all kicked off there was an advantage there for islands like us and also the UK. We could clearly see it all developing and it hadn't arrived on our door-step yet. We're surrounded by sea and had the chance to see it developing in other countries, many of them land-locked and it was an advantage there for us and the UK to stop travel into the country and/or quarantine anyone coming in and that way this never happens here or is easier to control. We didn't. And in fact in the UK they got it even worse, they allowed sporting events to continue and the champions league match between Liverpool and Atleti Madrid brought thousands of Spanish over from a region known to be rife with Covid-19 and allowed them to mingle and spend a few days in Liverpool. Surprise surprise, Liverpool had a massive spike in Covid 19 not long after, larger than most other areas in the uk per capita. If travel had been prevented and the advantage of being an island had been used then UK and Ireland cold have fared so much better but that was warning number 1 ignored. Then in Italy the elderly were being wiped out with this, they have large areas of elderly in some cities there living very close together, but again, warnings were there and ignored again. How are our nursing homes doing lately? Then fine we did our lockdown, we were told we needed to do it to give the HSE time to get prepared. No arguments with that one. Then it got extended. Then it got extended again and guess what, they still haven't got testing up to speed. Meanwhile the public are getting the blame. Or at least we were until some journalists put it up to them that we weren't to blame after all. So look, there's no such thing as 100% compliance but the public have been as close to it as you could wish to get. Lets call it 95% if that suits you, how about the Government and HSE's side of the bargain? I doubt any rational person would give them the same grade over all this. How about letting us go back to work if we can comply with social distancing before it gets to the stage where we have no businesses to go back to and can't support our kids? Some of us are self employed and not having a holiday here. It's not just about saving lives at this stage, it's about not ruining them as well.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Is boards at a crawl for everyone or just me ?
KrustyUCC wrote: » Changes will be made every two to four weeks but the Government will intervene if things are going off track and some elements would be reintroduced. Mr Varadkar said he hopes to put the plan before Cabinet tomorrow to be signed off on. He said there were five key priorities to be considered in lifting the restrictions: Progress of the disease Healthcare capacity and resilience Testing and contact tracing capacity Ability to shield and care for at-risk groups Risk of secondary morbidity due to the restrictions themselves
Speakerboxx wrote: » Deaths are still too high and new cases still too high. Expect very little to change tomorrow regarding restrictions.
GazzaL wrote: » Just on these 5 priorities:Progress of the disease R0 has been below 1 for weeks. Professor Nolan said that the growth rate of new cases has effectively been zero.Healthcare capacity and resilience Hospital admissions and numbers in ICU have been declining for weeks. Our ICU occupancy is approx 33%, i.e. 66% empty. Based on our ICU capacity prior to COVID-19, it would still only be 50% occupancy. These are good, manageable numbers.Testing and contact tracing capacity The HSE have consistently failed to hit their target of 100,000 tests per week, however it is generally improving. Given the HSEs track record, their failure to hit this target cannot be used as justification to extend the lockdown.Ability to shield and care for at-risk groups We need to do everything possible to support nursing homes, ensuring staff have plentiful supply of the correct PPE and hygiene products.Risk of secondary morbidity due to the restrictions themselves We have been in full lockdown for 5 weeks. Businesses are ready to re-open having put in place social distancing and hygiene measures. If they are not allowed to re-open asap, the number of temporary job losses that become permanent job losses will exponentially increase. Businesses large and small are going to collapse. People can't see their families and friends. They are losing all the things that make life worth living. People either aren't seeking the medical attention they need, A&E departments are deserted, or they are unable to receive treatment, private hospitals are lying empty. We all know that people haven't stopped becoming ill with non-COVID illnesses. There is a serious risk of secondary morbidity either from illness, or mental illness and suicide. Based on those 5 priorities, I can't see any justification to continue this lockdown.
Sleety_Rain wrote: » Out today and many cars on the road . First i have noticed a significant relaxation. People need some guidance ASAP. Think without any announcement the lockdown falls apart within days.
drunkmonkey wrote: » A few of days ago I would have agreed with you, then the sh!t hit the fan locally in the last couple of days with a factory having over 80 positive tests and 200 staff out. People are going nuts as those people aren't isolating, so in 2 weeks time we should have a burst of cases due to this idiot employer who wanted to keep the show on the road at all costs. It's crap that like that will keep us in lockdown. Isolating has to be mandatory and forced, I know why they were welding apartments shut in Whuhan now. I'm not happy about this, I'm not a lockdowner but I see the problem with the soft approach and trusting people to do the right thing.
FishOnABike wrote: » We have guidance - stay at home - exercise within 2km of your home - maintain social distance - no unnecessary journeys The better people stick to current recommendations the quicker some restrictions might be lifted.
KrustyUCC wrote: » Dr Tony has spoken No reason to lift restrictions Wooo another 2 weeks free for them again
omeara1113 wrote: » Me too
[Deleted User] wrote: » And the thousands of people who now wont die?
99nsr125 wrote: » They will still die, just in the coming months not weeks That's what flattening the curve is all about, this seems to be lost from the narrative. There will still be the same number of cases both asymptomatic and terminal. We have no vaccine We have no cure We have no treatment, only the symptoms can be eased but ultimately your body must overcome it. Ask yourself why if we have spare bed capacity why those in nursing homes are not being treated in hospital. It's because it has been decided at political level with senior heath professionals to let them die. There's a story on the rte page today from a peer which gives an insighthttps://www.rte.ie/culture/2020/0429/1135577-nursing-home-chaos-diary-of-a-pandemic-doctor/
Tandey wrote: » Another 3 weeks he said.
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