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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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SNNUS

A doctor should not be in charge of the country. The longer they lock down, numbers of other medical issues will rise plus livelihoods will be gone for many.

[Deleted User]

99nsr125 wrote: »

They will still die, just in the coming months not weeks

That's what flattening the curve is all about, this seems to be lost from the narrative. There will still be the same number of cases both asymptomatic and terminal.

We have no vaccine
We have no cure
We have no treatment, only the symptoms can be eased but ultimately your body must overcome it.

Ask yourself why if we have spare bed capacity why those in nursing homes are not being treated in hospital.
It's because it has been decided at political level with senior heath professionals to let them die.

There's a story on the rte page today from a peer which gives an insight

https://www.rte.ie/culture/2020/0429/1135577-nursing-home-chaos-diary-of-a-pandemic-doctor/

Wrong about a political decision to just let them die. Rarely if ever would you see someone over 80, with pneumonia and in a home, sent to icu to prolong their life on ventilation. Old mans friend

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

IS the rate of reproduction/r0 number for different countries published anywhere on a regular basis? Would be interesting to compare different lockdowns and openings with how the virus progresses

easypazz

Sean 18 wrote: »

Yes theirs no plan on the horizon nothing its like the same briefing every evening

You could paraphrase it at this stage

"The HSE keep spreading it around care homes, hospitals and their close contacts. Its been eradicated in the general population"

easypazz

Sean 18 wrote: »

What about this vascular inflammation children are getting is this a new strain or something?

I read 20 kids in the uk got it.

Non story.

Sean 18

setanta1984 wrote: »

The answers to these questions in the briefing are infuriating. They'll never be "happy" or have the numbers "where they want them" - until they are all 0, which is cuckoo land.
They'll never recommend easing anything, the country has no hope unless some other authority brings some perspective on what constitutes life in this country.

Yes theirs no plan on the horizon nothing its like the same briefing every evening

[Deleted User]

Soon we’ll have a thread discussing the governments need to relax the Covid payments. Economy will be ruined trying to give some folks another few months to live.

Sean 18

gmisk wrote: »

The recent evidence now seems to point to the fact you can't be reinfected.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-south-korean-reactivated-cases-not-reinfected-experts-2020-4

Also Dr Holohan confirmed no cases of reinfection in Ireland

What about this vascular inflammation children are getting is this a new strain or something?

setanta1984

The answers to these questions in the briefing are infuriating. They'll never be "happy" or have the numbers "where they want them" - until they are all 0, which is cuckoo land.
They'll never recommend easing anything, the country has no hope unless some other authority brings some perspective on what constitutes life in this country.

scamalert

KrustyUCC wrote: »

From 12th of March to 5th of May is 55 days

According to the Irish Times timetable it will be at least another 2 months if you don't live within 20km of your partner

Dr Holohan has said now it willl be at three weeks in between stages

You're now up to the end of July

How can the government expect any couple to stick to that?

id guess if someone cant make it to their OH, over few miles then prob they dont want to see each other :rolleyes: no ones blocking roads every day 24.7, doesnt take a genius to print some leaflet your essential worker, which no guard cares about either. If people think some knob head knows best when it ok for them to go see their family or loved ones, and they stick to it, then i guess carry on.

Sean 18

gmisk wrote: »

The recent evidence now seems to point to the fact you can't be reinfected.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-south-korean-reactivated-cases-not-reinfected-experts-2020-4

Also Dr Holohan confirmed no cases of reinfection in Ireland

What about this vascular inflammation children are getting is this a new strain or something?

Sean 18

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Brilliant

So that's at least 8 weeks of lockdown with 0 reduction in restrictions

Bloody fantastic

I think they expect us to stay inside till a vaccine is found what if there is no vaccine?

gmisk

Sean 18 wrote: »

The thing is we don't know if they will ever find a vaccine and we don't know if you can get reinfected after getting it what's their plan keep us locked up forever the health service is going to be complete mayhem when the flu season starts in the autumn how are they going to manage that?

The recent evidence now seems to point to the fact you can't be reinfected.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-south-korean-reactivated-cases-not-reinfected-experts-2020-4

Also Dr Holohan confirmed no cases of reinfection in Ireland

Sean 18

GazzaL wrote: »

That's bull****, and even the Government and HSE have rowed back on insulting the public, because it's as clear as day that the public have done their job on this.

Yes we can't stay locked up forever it'll be the summer soon if they can't control this now with social distancing etc how can they control it in the winter when flu season starts?

KrustyUCC

Tandey wrote: »

Another 3 weeks he said.

Brilliant

So that's at least 8 weeks of lockdown with 0 reduction in restrictions

Bloody fantastic

KrustyUCC

From 12th of March to 5th of May is 55 days

According to the Irish Times timetable it will be at least another 2 months if you don't live within 20km of your partner

Dr Holohan has said now it willl be at three weeks in between stages

You're now up to the end of July

How can the government expect any couple to stick to that?

Sean 18

99nsr125 wrote: »

They will still die, just in the coming months not weeks

That's what flattening the curve is all about, this seems to be lost from the narrative. There will still be the same number of cases both asymptomatic and terminal.

We have no vaccine
We have no cure
We have no treatment, only the symptoms can be eased but ultimately your body must overcome it.

Ask yourself why if we have spare bed capacity why those in nursing homes are not being treated in hospital.
It's because it has been decided at political level with senior heath professionals to let them die.

There's a story on the rte page today from a peer which gives an insight

https://www.rte.ie/culture/2020/0429/1135577-nursing-home-chaos-diary-of-a-pandemic-doctor/

The thing is we don't know if they will ever find a vaccine and we don't know if you can get reinfected after getting it what's their plan keep us locked up forever the health service is going to be complete mayhem when the flu season starts in the autumn how are they going to manage that?

99nsr125

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Tandey

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Dr Tony has spoken

No reason to lift restrictions

Wooo another 2 weeks free for them again

Another 3 weeks he said.

Sean 18

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Dr Tony has spoken

No reason to lift restrictions

Wooo another 2 weeks free for them again

And another 2 or 3 after that theirs no way they ll open up the country before the June bank holiday

99nsr125

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And the thousands of people who now wont die?

They will still die, just in the coming months not weeks

That's what flattening the curve is all about, this seems to be lost from the narrative. There will still be the same number of cases both asymptomatic and terminal.

We have no vaccine
We have no cure
We have no treatment, only the symptoms can be eased but ultimately your body must overcome it.

Ask yourself why if we have spare bed capacity why those in nursing homes are not being treated in hospital.
It's because it has been decided at political level with senior heath professionals to let them die.

There's a story on the rte page today from a peer which gives an insight

https://www.rte.ie/culture/2020/0429/1135577-nursing-home-chaos-diary-of-a-pandemic-doctor/

gmisk

Double post apologies

gmisk

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Dr Tony has spoken

No reason to lift restrictions

Wooo another 2 weeks free for them again

Who are the them in this?
Doesn't look like Dr Tony has to much free time at the minute to be fair to him.

dalyboy

omeara1113 wrote: »

Me too

Me 3. It’s taking about 10-15 seconds to load a page

road_high

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Dr Tony has spoken

No reason to lift restrictions

Wooo another 2 weeks free for them again

Another two weeks of flushing the economy down the toilet at full force.

SNNUS

FishOnABike wrote: »

We have guidance
- stay at home
- exercise within 2km of your home
- maintain social distance
- no unnecessary journeys

The better people stick to current recommendations the quicker some restrictions might be lifted.

Oh I never seen this, is this new?

GazzaL

FishOnABike wrote: »

We have guidance
- stay at home
- exercise within 2km of your home
- maintain social distance
- no unnecessary journeys

The better people stick to current recommendations the quicker some restrictions might be lifted.

That's bull****, and even the Government and HSE have rowed back on insulting the public, because it's as clear as day that the public have done their job on this.

NewRed2

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A few of days ago I would have agreed with you, then the sh!t hit the fan locally in the last couple of days with a factory having over 80 positive tests and 200 staff out. People are going nuts as those people aren't isolating, so in 2 weeks time we should have a burst of cases due to this idiot employer who wanted to keep the show on the road at all costs. It's crap that like that will keep us in lockdown.
Isolating has to be mandatory and forced, I know why they were welding apartments shut in Whuhan now.
I'm not happy about this, I'm not a lockdowner but I see the problem with the soft approach and trusting people to do the right thing.

Ah here. So you're talking about a factory with 200 staff out and 80 positive cases now?
I said in my post that us self-employed who can maintain social distancing rules should be allowed back to work. And you come back with a story about 80 positive and 200 out. What factory was that? It sounds news worthy. Care to name it?

I'll be more specific so and just talk about my own situation, there are a handful of people who work in our place and we have large amounts of space and easy peasy to maintain distance. Jobs get delivered and no customers enter our premises either. But we are not allowed go to work.
There are hundreds, even thousands of wee family businesses like this in Ireland. But we're not allowed return to work under the rules even though we could manage the social distancing, even though we've been out of work for 5 weeks, even though we will lose our only source of income if we don't go back soon and even though we have obeyed all rules during lockdown.

If I'm one of the people who can just move jobs if I lose my job over this then maybe I'd sit at home and watch tv and tell everyone to stay calm and stuff.
But not all of us are in that position.
Again, I appreciate the balancing act at play here and I appreciate why we've done these things but at some stage we have to return to work and I'm not in the least bit convinced that kicking the can down the road 2 more weeks will save any/many more lives but I'm becoming terrified that my only source of income is gone, there's thousands in the same boat, there's thousands missing out on cancer treatment, there's thousands suffering from mental health issues, there's thousands losing out on seeing their families, friends, loved ones, etc. And all that after the public sacrificed 5 weekds or more already and the HSE failed to do their bit.
So yeah people are getting angry now, despite apparent random internet stories about a factory where something went amiss and had a covid-19 explosion and the likes.

FishOnABike

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Out today and many cars on the road .

First i have noticed a significant relaxation.

People need some guidance ASAP.

Think without any announcement the lockdown falls apart within days.

We have guidance
- stay at home
- exercise within 2km of your home
- maintain social distance
- no unnecessary journeys

The better people stick to current recommendations the quicker some restrictions might be lifted.

KrustyUCC

Dr Tony has spoken

No reason to lift restrictions

Wooo another 2 weeks free for them again