jonnny68 wrote: » People from up north can come over the border and go on day trips here without the garda doing anything,Bulgarian fruit pickers can travel on a packed plane to come into this country to pick strawberry's, so if Leo and co think that people are going to remain under lockdown and this 2km restrictions then they'll be sorely mistaken.
endacl wrote: » Just on this last point. I have personal knowledge of a person who started feeling really unwell (nausea/vomiting/other unpleasantness) about a month ago. His family contacted the GP two weeks ago. There was a phone consultation, whereupon the doctor decided it sounded serious enough for a visit. A physical exam resulted in an immediate ambulance to the Beacon (as a public patient) where tests revealed early stage bowel cancer. The following day he had surgery, and is doing really well. He'll be discharged tomorrow with follow up treatment to follow. The world hasn't stopped turning. It's just turning slightly differently. If treatment is urgent it's being delivered.
Rodin wrote: » Angry and pissed off when they sit on their arses at home putting on weight while others do the fighting on the front line? Should be given a tour of the ICUs around the country or made to log on to every webcammed funeral for a victim. Some need a bit of perspective.
What level of deaths would have worked for you, not to think this?
In the most simplest explanation of this paradox, it's the idea of hoping for the best, but acknowledging and preparing for the worst. "Who didn't make it out?" "Oh, that's easy," he said. "The optimists." "The optimists? I don't understand," I said, now completely confused, given what he'd said a hundred meters earlier. "The optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, 'We're going to be out by Christmas.' And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they'd say,'We're going to be out by Easter.' And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart."
is_that_so wrote: » Just as some need to stop using selective empathy to cast judgement on others. Some are mentally having a very hard time with this.
This is a fraudulent comparison, you are comparing estimated deaths of people most of whom were not testing in a lab for flu with deaths of people tested for Covid19. The actual number who died from Covid19 is much higher than this.
It is also nonsense because the Covid19 deaths were only so low because of the lockdown, without that millions would be dead, so you are using the success of the lockdown as a reason not to have it, which is truly bizarre.
Rodin wrote: » They could always volunteer to help out with a critical service...
Charles Babbage wrote: » People are talking here as if the Irish government has some different policy from other places like Poland. It does not, it has an equal willingness to reopen things but it has different data. Poland has half the deaths of Ireland with 7 times the population and only half the number of new cases at present. We are where we are, we cannot wish we were somewhere else and we just have to get on with it and not make any more mistakes. Issuing a plan is fine but they need to identify the data that will be needed to justify each step.
KrustyUCC wrote: » What a post Some perspective you have indeed So everybody who isn't a frontline worker is sitting on their arse at home and putting on weight? What's a frontline worker to you? How about garbage men? Shopkeepers? Pharmacists? Delivery drivers?
is_that_so wrote: » I know of offices who are back in next week and of others planning for some increased activity in May.
facehugger99 wrote: » And yet every small business that is allowed to open, from petrol stations to corner shops, are managing to operate fine.
thegetawaycar wrote: » I expect that we'll see outdoor work re-open May 5th and little after that. I'm not sure what people are expecting, the numbers are still high and are not stable (up one day, down the next). It will be a long time before pubs/gyms will be open so if people were expecting that it's fantasy stuff.
Downlinz wrote: » It's amazing how some people seem to think the lockdown is to blame for the economic problem and not the virus. :pac: I don't think you guys have quite processed what trying to run a business would be like in a society of fear with staff dropping like flies for various reasons. The manager of a nursing home was on radio 1 this morning explaining how 1/3rd of their regular staff were unavailable to work either because they have the virus, they're in a vulnerable group and need to cocoon or they live with someone cocooning. Imagine the kind of chaos that would ensue if that was the sort of picture every restaurant, hardware shop etc had to deal with. Supermarkets have had to recruit a significant number of extra staff as well just to deal with it. It would be farcical to think small business could operate in that kind of environment.
Rodin wrote: » Direct healthcare provision is frontline for me. All of those others are near the frontline. Very important and vital to our services Many however are sitting at home watching Netflix giving out about how things are being done.
retro:electro wrote: » =Places like hair salons and beauticians should be allowed to operate on a one in one out system, with clients and workers wearing gloves and masks, and the chairs completely sanitised after each customer. These places are hanging on by a hair and are coming closer to having to close fully with each passing week.
ChikiChiki wrote: » Family, friends. Humans are not built for this level of restriction. Social creatures and all that.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Many places like that wouldn't survive on a one in one out basis though. Same with restaurants and pubs etc, many are loosely hanging on as you say, and having minimum customers won't be enough to keep them going. It'll be a tough couple of years I think.
easypazz wrote: » Seriously? This will never be as simple as lockdown forever until its all gone away. That's a bit like saying dig up the roads forever so people don't die in car crashes. We need to move on from this phase and accept a certain level of death / ICU / new cases etc.
Multipass wrote: » And if they do survive it will be by laying off all of their staff. The people sitting at home on 350 right now should think about a future on 200 per week.
retro:electro wrote: » Literally no one is expecting that? Why does the want for an approach that allows the light lifting of some restrictions automatically translate to open the pubs and let us all out on the lash for some people? I am 100% behind lifting restrictions in a sensible way, but I think it would be absolute madness to have the pubs open this side of summer. During the lockdown we have all adapted to a new way of living and have modified our behaviour enough to approach this new way of life Those behaviours will all fall by the wayside once people are drunk and in a pub, so of course it goes without saying that pubs reopening needs to be down the very bottom of any list. Most people want the 2k limit lifted, to be able to see family, even to chat in the garden for an hour a week. I want to be able to visit my sister or to kick a ball in the garden with my nieces without some neighbour calling the guards or being shamed on social media for it. Then after that small business who can manage to operate in way that incorporates social distancing should be allowed to open. Places like hair salons and beauticians should be allowed to operate on a one in one out system, with clients and workers wearing gloves and masks, and the chairs completely sanitised after each customer. These places are hanging on by a hair and are coming closer to having to close fully with each passing week.
GazzaL wrote: » If we continue down the path of economic destruction, people can probably forget about €200 per week too. We might match the UKs equivalent of €83.50 per week.
mandrake04 wrote: » This is why they want to ‘flatten the curve’ if too many people come down sick at once then the whole fabric of society breaks down. But like the name suggests flatten, the peak is pushed down but the bottom spreads out likes a squashed ****e, So you still have infections growth but over a longer timeframe and the longer you need to flatten the longer you need restrictions. If you have a need to return to somewhat normal conditions then flattening the curve is no good, you need full on suppression.
easypazz wrote: » Yes but that will not be the case for everybody. A lot of people won't go near a doctor or hospital at the moment due to the virus and a serious illness will be missed. Also people sometimes go to doctor / hospital for something small and then a bigger issue is discovered. This is not happening at the moment. It has been acknowledged in the department of health that people are afraid to go to doctors and hospitals and that this is a problem.
retro:electro wrote: » Then after that small business who can manage to operate in way that incorporates social distancing should be allowed to open. Places like hair salons and beauticians should be allowed to operate on a one in one out system, with clients and workers wearing gloves and masks, and the chairs completely sanitised after each customer. These places are hanging on by a hair and are coming closer to having to close fully with each passing week.
Rodin wrote: » Of course we need to move on. But not when the active number of cases is going up having previously been on the decline.
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