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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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is_that_so

polesheep wrote: »

Best to wait for an official announcement.

I agree but it's not just the Indo making crap up by themselves.

Stark

chasm wrote: »

Has anyone got a link they could post up of the current regulations regarding the exercising within 2km of your home please? Specifically the part that states that it must be brief.

On March 27th at the Govt briefing it was announced that it was ok "to take brief individual physical exercise within 2 kilometres of your home."
Leo has also been quoted as saying that the exercise should be "brief". I know that further clarification was given afterwards regarding exercising with members of your household, but I am just interested in finding the Govt amendments or whatever, that state exercise must be brief. I have looked but cannot find it.

I'm not looking to break any regulations or cause any arguments regarding whether it is right or wrong, just looking to see if it applies or not?

It's been removed from official sources. It was there at the start but way too ambiguous. "Brief" to some people means 10 mins, for people used to doing long distance cycling and the like, an hour is "brief".

Henry Ford III

polesheep wrote: »

Go outside and open your eyes. Most people have already relaxed the restrictions as much as they can get away with. They are not sheep, they are educated people who can think for themselves.

Most people don't know how potentially nasty Covis19 really is.

The restrictions aren't there to make anyone happy or sad although they are a little bit difficult to deal with for week upon week.

Just because folk want to do "normal" things doesn't mean that fundamental health advice should be ignored for lifestyle or convenience.

[Deleted User]

The restrictions are already coming to an end. A few weeks back it was almost impossible to get a Tesco delivery. Now there are lots available. That’s because people are heading out to the shops again. Plenty of people out walking, jogging and exercising every evening now. Businesses are starting to open again were possible, for example supermacs doing drive through.

Plenty of people will take their freedom back even if lockdown is extended, and rightly so.

polesheep

Enter name here wrote: »

Ah that's nice you think the Irish are educated people. Thank you for that I needed a laugh today.

We are. We have a world class education system. It's a fact.

is_that_so

FishOnABike wrote: »

A roadmap is needed but I'd expect it to have targets or milestones to be reached before each set of next steps can be implemented. Dates would be too likely to change and only lead to more confusion and frustration ads things move about.

Sure but they have given dates for other stuff. They may not be absolutely specific on dates but if all it is, is "at an appropriate date" it will not be worth publishing as it will just look made up.

polesheep

Podge201 wrote: »

Not very supportive.

If that is genuinely an issue for some people, then the human race is lost.

Lyle

I wonder if, in the coming days, the issues surrounding children, namely the Kawasaki disease/toxic shock/chronic inflammation, etc that are seemingly popping up all over the place the last few days, will come more to the forefront and change some perspectives and attitudes.

There's a different psychology to all this when you include the potential for children to suffer medically on top of all the upheaval they're currently dealing with from general societal change. Particularly when the potential for issues is there in the long term as we still don't have a clue what the big picture looks like a few years down the road in regards to how this virus may have long standing impacts on people's health, regardless of age.

I miss my job, really very badly, but every day there's some fresh story, some new wave of symptoms affecting a new group of people in some new way that puts the brakes on any thoughts that cross my mind that we're getting out the other side of this, even a little, any time soon.

It's a real pain, all this. Like getting a toepoke in the nads a few times a day. But it's still better than interstitial pneumonia or Covid toes or strokes or whatever else this mentaller of a virus can throw at you.

Kermit.de.frog

polesheep wrote: »

Go outside and open your eyes. Most people have already relaxed the restrictions as much as they can get away with. They are not sheep, they are educated people who can think for themselves.

No where is open, there is no where to go.

All academic really.

yrreg0850

FishOnABike wrote: »

Or maybe they are making the hard decisions, just not the decisions you would like. Dead people don't have any future.

They should have gone further like New Zealand and, shut down the air/sea ports.
Instead they allowed crowds to come back from cheltenham and ,still allowing free travel from NI.

Enter name here

polesheep wrote: »

Go outside and open your eyes. Most people have already relaxed the restrictions as much as they can get away with. They are not sheep, they are educated people who can think for themselves.

Ah that's nice you think the Irish are educated people. Thank you for that I needed a laugh today.

polesheep

is_that_so wrote: »

Pat Leahy in IT has picked it up now but more along the lines of putting the pieces together than actual fact.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-ireland-s-lockdown-expected-to-continue-beyond-may-5th-1.4239396

Best to wait for an official announcement.

FishOnABike

is_that_so wrote: »

An extension of restrictions without a detailed roadmap is not the way to go. People could be persuaded to go a further 2 weeks if they can see dates on the calendar.

A roadmap is needed but I'd expect it to have targets or milestones to be reached before each set of next steps can be implemented. Dates would be too likely to change and only lead to more confusion and frustration ads things move about.

polesheep

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A subset of ignorant and selfish will but they think rules don't apply to them anyway. Not exactly a change for them from before the so-called 'lock down'.

Most people will stick to the advice for the greater good and to save lives.

Go outside and open your eyes. Most people have already relaxed the restrictions as much as they can get away with. They are not sheep, they are educated people who can think for themselves.

CorkFenian

polesheep wrote: »

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

I read the Indo article and I hope you're right, found it very disheartening to read

Any reason why Indo would publish this? Can't see it helping anyone

Podge201

polesheep wrote: »

They might as well have said exercise in your briefs. They are lost.

Not very supportive.

polesheep

chasm wrote: »

Has anyone got a link they could post up of the current regulations regarding the exercising within 2km of your home please? Specifically the part that states that it must be brief.

On March 27th at the Govt briefing it was announced that it was ok "to take brief individual physical exercise within 2 kilometres of your home."
Leo has also been quoted as saying that the exercise should be "brief". I know that further clarification was given afterwards regarding exercising with members of your household, but I am just interested in finding the Govt amendments or whatever, that state exercise must be brief. I have looked but cannot find it.

I'm not looking to break any regulations or cause any arguments regarding whether it is right or wrong, just looking to see if it applies or not?

They might as well have said exercise in your briefs. They are lost.

is_that_so

polesheep wrote: »

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

Pat Leahy in IT has picked it up now but more along the lines of putting the pieces together than actual fact.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-ireland-s-lockdown-expected-to-continue-beyond-may-5th-1.4239396

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sound like a lot of poeople are saying that they're going to be doing things theyve been putting off for several weeks now regardless of the restrictions. The collective patience I spoke about yeserday has been exhasted and the government has bought as much time as it can.

Enter name here

boring accountant wrote: »

Just do it. The Gards only have the power to turn you around. They can only arrest you if you refuse. Don’t let the psychos and nutters on social media keep you from seeing your partner.

Another reason the Gardi need increased powers to arrest, detain, taser or shoot all non conformers on sight.

is_that_so

thebaz wrote: »

and what about people with other medical issues, what about the damage done to the younger generation ? What about about the mental toll on society - The elderly will always be at risk from any virus, and as has been seen even with lockdowns its impossible to save everyone from a virus -
May , though is a good word - lets see what happens in a month.

There will be plenty of questions to be asked of what's been applied, including that of Sweden. Even in Sweden they've had a huge care home death toll. There is no one approach yet, just a process of cherry picking what's seems to work best elsewhere and what might work for a given strategy.

polesheep

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

Kermit.de.frog

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Nothing is going to change within those 2 weeks. People are just going to ignore the rules if it’s extended again and again

A subset of ignorant and selfish will but they think rules don't apply to them anyway. Not exactly a change for them from before the so-called 'lock down'.

Most people will stick to the advice for the greater good and to save lives.

chasm

Has anyone got a link they could post up of the current regulations regarding the exercising within 2km of your home please? Specifically the part that states that it must be brief.

On March 27th at the Govt briefing it was announced that it was ok "to take brief individual physical exercise within 2 kilometres of your home."
Leo has also been quoted as saying that the exercise should be "brief". I know that further clarification was given afterwards regarding exercising with members of your household, but I am just interested in finding the Govt amendments or whatever, that state exercise must be brief. I have looked but cannot find it.

I'm not looking to break any regulations or cause any arguments regarding whether it is right or wrong, just looking to see if it applies or not?

boring accountant

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

Just do it. The Gards only have the power to turn you around. They can only arrest you if you refuse. Don’t let the psychos and nutters on social media keep you from seeing your partner.

conorhal

There seems to be no semblance of a plan.

I think I still have a packet of iodine tablets that the government delivered to every home in the wake of the Selafield panic.

Why is there no attempt to ease restrictions by providing appropriate masks to every household in the country.
An effective government that acted, rather than prevaricated, would have put every company with a capability to manufacture masks, or adapt to do so, on a virtual wartime footing and ordered them produce and deliver masks. The entire resources of any department should be aimed at sourcing the materials necessary to facilitate it.
Instead we sit and wait for a bunch of defective crap from China to arrive by plane and then like clowns praise the Chinese as they profit from the disaster they wrought.

pgj2015

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

just go and dont bring ID, how are the guards going to know where you live?

RugbyLad11

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

thebaz

is_that_so wrote: »

They may be found to have sacrificed their old.

and what about people with other medical issues, what about the damage done to the younger generation ? What about about the mental toll on society - The elderly will always be at risk from any virus, and as has been seen even with lockdowns its impossible to save everyone from a virus -
May , though is a good word - lets see what happens in a month.

polesheep

FishOnABike wrote: »

Or maybe they are making the hard decisions, just not the decisions you would like. Dead people don't have any future.

Trite nonsense, used by people who don't have a good argument.