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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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the kelt

Naos wrote: »

You mentioned earlier you went for a 15km drive.

Let's say someone else that has Covid went on a 15km drive and stopped at a petrol station to fill up. This petrol station is beside your mothers nursing home in a community that has no known Covid cases.

That person infects the Petrol Station employee and a Carer who is getting in the station picking up something for lunch. That Carer then brings it back into the nursing home and it infects your mother.

That's why there's a 2km limit.

Sweet jesus!!!

The 2km is just for exercise.

Stark

Dravokivich wrote: »

Yeah, like all those beauty spots in Wuhan, Lombardo, Barcelona...

It's not like this is some sort of highly transmitable desease we are unable to fight off or anything. We need to keep the beauty spots, clear...

Stop being a smart-arse. International travel is a different affair altogether. The 2km limit was brought in specifically with exercise in mind.

thebaz

hmmm wrote: »

Perhaps, but the Imperial modelling paper presented to the UK government modeled restrictions of just isolating the vulnerable and it still led to an overload of hospital and ICU capacity. That's why the UK reversed course and instituted a lockdown themselves.
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People are begining to question the Imperial modelling paper accuracy - its projections have not played out in Sweden.

FishOnABike

facehugger99 wrote: »

If the rumours are true about the pathetic relaxations of the current restrictions than it is clear we are dealing with a caretaker Govt. that has become paralyzed with fear and incapable to making decisions.

I hope people take it upon themselves to send a clear message that this is unacceptable.

Our jobs, prosperities and children's futures are being flushed down the toilet by a Taoiseach and Ministers too scared to face down the social-media hysteria merchants.

Or maybe they are making the hard decisions, just not the decisions you would like. Dead people don't have any future.

is_that_so

thebaz wrote: »

People are begining to question the Imperial modelling paper accuracy - its projections have not played out in Sweden.

What about Sweden will be the refrain for a long time to come. Sweden is the only country that is Sweden. They may be found to have sacrificed their old.

Dontfadeaway

Nothing is going to change within those 2 weeks. People are just going to ignore the rules if it’s extended again and again

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

The serology tests elsewhere in the world are showing an iceberg, but the fatality rate is coming in around .65%. That's nearly 30,000 deaths in Ireland. Flu kills less than a hundred in Ireland every year.

Still too high, particularly as it means severely overloaded hospitals if left unchecked.

That's not 30,000 of the healthy population. That 30,000 would be mostly made up of the very elderly and the weak. There is no reason why we cannot protect those people as best as we can and significantly ease restrictions for everyone else. Neither are we using the hospital capacity that we have created at the expense of other patients. It's all being mismanaged in the way that the HSE has always mismanaged things.

Naos

Podge201 wrote: »

Spanish flu came from Spain.

It didn't, it came from the US.

Stark wrote: »

No that's not why there's a 2km limit. Maybe that's a benefit that emerges from it but people are making up narratives to justify the original policy decision.

It was a kneejerk response to people "crowding beauty spots". Nothing more.

I agree with Dravokivich's response to you.

batman_oh wrote: »

So only people from outside 2km can spread it? Not the ones that the petrol stations are open for or the people queuing up for shopping or passing hundreds of others on a walk because they are all stuck within 2km in heavily populated areas?

I covered this when I said in a community with no known Covid cases.

the kelt wrote: »

Sweet jesus!!!

The 2km is just for exercise.

I'm well aware of that. I was responding to the poster, SweetMaggie, who travelled 15km by car to go for some exercise on a cliff walk.

polesheep

Naos wrote: »

You mentioned earlier you went for a 15km drive.

Let's say someone else that has Covid went on a 15km drive and stopped at a petrol station to fill up. This petrol station is beside your mothers nursing home in a community that has no known Covid cases.

That person infects the Petrol Station employee and a Carer who is getting in the station picking up something for lunch. That Carer then brings it back into the nursing home and it infects your mother.

That's why there's a 2km limit.

If it spreads that easily then we all have it already.

road_high

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Nothing is going to change within those 2 weeks. People are just going to ignore the rules if it’s extended again and again

The virus will still be there- just another two weeks of bankruptcy.

ceadaoin.

Cina wrote: »

It's funny how people always go to Sweden to cite an example yet politely ignore what happened in Italy, Spain, the US etc.

"The US" as a whole is fine.

Seweryn

Deleted User wrote: »

I understand about Nursing Homes and older people, my mother is in one and I haven’t seen her for 7weeks , which is adding to this overall feeling of anxiety.

Imagine there are a lot of people living in this country that have parents and families abroad and normally go over once or twice a year to see them, but can't do this year at all because of the restrictions. And they don't know when is the next time they can see each other.

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

Perhaps, but the Imperial modelling paper presented to the UK government modeled restrictions of just isolating the vulnerable and it still led to an overload of hospital and ICU capacity. That's why the UK reversed course and instituted a lockdown themselves.

There's no easy answer here - there will be afterwards in hindsight, but right now we don't know enough about the disease.

(edit) Paper available here - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

"However, this “optimal” mitigation scenario would still result in an 8-fold higher peak demand on critical care beds over and above the available surge capacity in both GB and the US. "

Imperial got it wrong. They were too fast off the blocks. I know we were in an urgent situation, but science doesn't like to be rushed.

Tenzor07

Naos wrote: »

You mentioned earlier you went for a 15km drive.
Let's say someone else that has Covid went on a 15km drive and stopped at a petrol station to fill up. This petrol station is beside your mothers nursing home in a community that has no known Covid cases.
That person infects the Petrol Station employee and a Carer who is getting in the station picking up something for lunch. That Carer then brings it back into the nursing home and it infects your mother.
That's why there's a 2km limit.

That's a laugh!

The 2km limit was to stop people clogging up beaches and parks etc. as the shops, pubs, restaurants, sports were all stopped people had no where to go and nothing to do.

2km exercise limit is completely arbitrary!

If I go for a jog within the 2km radius of where I live it puts me in contact potentially with more people than the entire population of Offaly.

polesheep

FishOnABike wrote: »

Or maybe they are making the hard decisions, just not the decisions you would like. Dead people don't have any future.

Trite nonsense, used by people who don't have a good argument.

thebaz

is_that_so wrote: »

They may be found to have sacrificed their old.

and what about people with other medical issues, what about the damage done to the younger generation ? What about about the mental toll on society - The elderly will always be at risk from any virus, and as has been seen even with lockdowns its impossible to save everyone from a virus -
May , though is a good word - lets see what happens in a month.

RugbyLad11

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

pgj2015

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

just go and dont bring ID, how are the guards going to know where you live?

conorhal

There seems to be no semblance of a plan.

I think I still have a packet of iodine tablets that the government delivered to every home in the wake of the Selafield panic.

Why is there no attempt to ease restrictions by providing appropriate masks to every household in the country.
An effective government that acted, rather than prevaricated, would have put every company with a capability to manufacture masks, or adapt to do so, on a virtual wartime footing and ordered them produce and deliver masks. The entire resources of any department should be aimed at sourcing the materials necessary to facilitate it.
Instead we sit and wait for a bunch of defective crap from China to arrive by plane and then like clowns praise the Chinese as they profit from the disaster they wrought.

boring accountant

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

Just do it. The Gards only have the power to turn you around. They can only arrest you if you refuse. Don’t let the psychos and nutters on social media keep you from seeing your partner.

chasm

Has anyone got a link they could post up of the current regulations regarding the exercising within 2km of your home please? Specifically the part that states that it must be brief.

On March 27th at the Govt briefing it was announced that it was ok "to take brief individual physical exercise within 2 kilometres of your home."
Leo has also been quoted as saying that the exercise should be "brief". I know that further clarification was given afterwards regarding exercising with members of your household, but I am just interested in finding the Govt amendments or whatever, that state exercise must be brief. I have looked but cannot find it.

I'm not looking to break any regulations or cause any arguments regarding whether it is right or wrong, just looking to see if it applies or not?

Kermit.de.frog

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Nothing is going to change within those 2 weeks. People are just going to ignore the rules if it’s extended again and again

A subset of ignorant and selfish will but they think rules don't apply to them anyway. Not exactly a change for them from before the so-called 'lock down'.

Most people will stick to the advice for the greater good and to save lives.

polesheep

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

is_that_so

thebaz wrote: »

and what about people with other medical issues, what about the damage done to the younger generation ? What about about the mental toll on society - The elderly will always be at risk from any virus, and as has been seen even with lockdowns its impossible to save everyone from a virus -
May , though is a good word - lets see what happens in a month.

There will be plenty of questions to be asked of what's been applied, including that of Sweden. Even in Sweden they've had a huge care home death toll. There is no one approach yet, just a process of cherry picking what's seems to work best elsewhere and what might work for a given strategy.

Enter name here

boring accountant wrote: »

Just do it. The Gards only have the power to turn you around. They can only arrest you if you refuse. Don’t let the psychos and nutters on social media keep you from seeing your partner.

Another reason the Gardi need increased powers to arrest, detain, taser or shoot all non conformers on sight.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sound like a lot of poeople are saying that they're going to be doing things theyve been putting off for several weeks now regardless of the restrictions. The collective patience I spoke about yeserday has been exhasted and the government has bought as much time as it can.

is_that_so

polesheep wrote: »

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

Pat Leahy in IT has picked it up now but more along the lines of putting the pieces together than actual fact.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-ireland-s-lockdown-expected-to-continue-beyond-may-5th-1.4239396

polesheep

chasm wrote: »

Has anyone got a link they could post up of the current regulations regarding the exercising within 2km of your home please? Specifically the part that states that it must be brief.

On March 27th at the Govt briefing it was announced that it was ok "to take brief individual physical exercise within 2 kilometres of your home."
Leo has also been quoted as saying that the exercise should be "brief". I know that further clarification was given afterwards regarding exercising with members of your household, but I am just interested in finding the Govt amendments or whatever, that state exercise must be brief. I have looked but cannot find it.

I'm not looking to break any regulations or cause any arguments regarding whether it is right or wrong, just looking to see if it applies or not?

They might as well have said exercise in your briefs. They are lost.

Podge201

polesheep wrote: »

They might as well have said exercise in your briefs. They are lost.

Not very supportive.

CorkFenian

polesheep wrote: »

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

I read the Indo article and I hope you're right, found it very disheartening to read

Any reason why Indo would publish this? Can't see it helping anyone