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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

No, I'm expecting something midweek, Thursday at the very latest.

Optimist

Penfailed

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Leo had the masses eating out of the palm of his hand when he spoke of real heroes not wearing capes in that soppy address of the nation all those weeks back. If he comes out to face us all again on May 5 and increases the lockdown for another 3-4 weeks the only costume he should be wearing is Dick Turpins as he'll be robbing us of our freedom. Enough is enough. Most of us have abided by the rules up to now. Time to start easing restrictions with a detailed plan as to when each sector may open up depending on how well our health service is coping. Our government is totally reactionary and depending on the success and bravery of other countries to make any kind of decisions. Italy, the country that was riddled with this disease, has announced a plan to reopen most secors of the economy over the next month. Leo grow a pair and stop hiding and waiting for others to lead the way. Release the countries pressure valve and let us breath again. Give us some hope.

Italy is further down the path than we are. I've emboldened the key sentence in your message. The 'lockdown' is solely dependent upon how the health service is coping. It's currently coping. The issue for the government and the health professionals is to determine if relaxing the restrictions is sustainable in the short term. You've abided the rules up to now because you knew the reasoning. If the restrictions are extended, the reasoning is the same...why do you think that would be objectionable?

is_that_so

Stheno wrote: »

I'd not be surprised if they wait till Friday to give an update

No, I'm expecting something midweek, Thursday at the very latest.

KrustyUCC

Was on about the plan to check people who fly into the country actually self isolate for 14 days

SecretsOfEarth

glasso wrote: »

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"

Don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread as I'm only catching up, but this is NOT from the civil service.

This screenshot is from a RED C Survey from a few days ago, where they provided hypothetical scenarios and then asked you to comment on them, their lenience, the possibility of correct implementation etc.

The above picture is one of the scenarios - I completed the survey myself.

Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

It's only Monday! The 5th May is 7-8 sleeps away! Doubt there'll be too much publicly on it until after NEPHT meet tomorrow.

I'd not be surprised if they wait till Friday to give an update

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Has that plan come in yet?

It's only Monday! The 5th May is 7-8 sleeps away! Doubt there'll be too much publicly on it until after NEPHT meet tomorrow.

KrustyUCC

Stheno wrote: »

They're working on it :rolleyes:

Hmmmn

It shouldn't be a hard thing to implement

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Has that plan come in yet?

They're working on it :rolleyes:

KrustyUCC

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Aren't they going to have to go round every day now to the houses of people who are meant to be self quarantining, having recently arrived in Ireland. That will use a bit of resource

Has that plan come in yet?

Downlinz

Deleted User wrote: »

If they try to extend the lockdown for another month, I simply don't see the restrictions getting followed.

The minority who feel that way probably aren't following restrictions at the moment but there's a limited amount of damage they can do with businesses closed and travel curtailed.

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

They have had vast resources flung at them for little reason. Stands to reason they have to make up something to do to justify their existence

Aren't they going to have to go round every day now to the houses of people who are meant to be self quarantining, having recently arrived in Ireland. That will use a bit of resource

Tokyo

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You're gullible as fuck then

LiquidZeb wrote: »

And you're thick. Don't worry me and the other taxpayers will get back to work so we can support you while you sit around all day staring into space.

Mod: @Tacitus Kilgore, @LiquidZeb - take 24 hours away from the thread. Next time will earn an infraction or ban.

joe40

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.

Who needs doctors, and epidemiologists when we could listen to the barber.
He's not a Maverick, he's an arsehole.

easypazz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.

The lockdown brigade will freak when they hear that.:D:D

road_high

Discodog wrote: »

The Gardai are starting an operation tomorrow at 7am which they say will be even bigger than the Easter one. They will be targeting tourist areas & smaller roads to prevent people avoiding the checkpoints. Meanwhile feel free to carry on with your street party, soccer game, traveller wedding, or driving down from the North.

They have had vast resources flung at them for little reason. Stands to reason they have to make up something to do to justify their existence

road_high

GazzaL wrote: »

I was in a business park today which has all types of businesses, and all were open, builders working there as well. They may not necessarily have let any Joe Soap walk into their premises, and I'm sure they were all taking the necessary hygiene precautions, but they were all working. People won't be held to ransom, they will get on with things and return to work.

Great to hear it. Now if only the useless Gardai could find something useful to do rather than visiting aul ones with birthday cakes we’d be away

LiquidZeb

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You're gullible as fuck then

And you're thick. Don't worry me and the other taxpayers will get back to work so we can support you while you sit around all day staring into space.

road_high

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.

Fair to play him. Adapt or die

Tacitus Kilgore

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah I'm still gobsmacked that an adult can seriously have that little knowledge of the economy and national debt.

You're gullible as fuck then

drunkmonkey

Just went down the street and one of the barbers is open with a chair outside cutting peoples hair.
It's Mavericks like that we need shaping lockdown policy.

LiquidZeb

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

My moronic comments worked it seems, you're still going on about them :pac:

Yeah I'm still gobsmacked that an adult can seriously have that little knowledge of the economy and national debt.

Tacitus Kilgore

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah I suppose your moronic ideas about national debt and borrowing would make them lose hope in the education system.

My moronic comments worked it seems, you're still going on about them :pac:

LiquidZeb

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I sincerely fucking hope not :pac:

Yeah I suppose your moronic ideas about national debt and borrowing would make them lose hope in the education system.

martingriff

GazzaL wrote: »

I was in a business park today which has all types of businesses, and all were open, builders working there as well. They may not necessarily have let any Joe Soap walk into their premises, and I'm sure they were all taking the necessary hygiene precautions, but they were all working. People won't be held to ransom, they will get on with things and return to work.

All those business could have been doing that from day one the thing was it was uneconomical until now as the restrictions will be eased soon (May 5th)

hmmm

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

If that was to be true I would find it difficult to take. A month seems excessive for what are such minor changes. I have been obedient of the restrictions so far but if they were to announce that ahead of May 5th I can say with certainty that I would end up breaking some of the restrictions.

I know people are saying it is fake, but I find this screenshot very plausible. Just missing a reference to construction sites and possibly certain outdoor sports.

A month is reasonable unfortunately with this virus - it's about a month from the time you make a change to the point at which deaths are peaking.

We can't be making changes every week, there isn't enough time to see the impact. If we get this wrong we'll suddenly have full restrictions re-imposed, and that would be very damaging to confidence and morale.

Spencer Brown

DanyTargaryen wrote: »

I don't really see how that's a bad thing. First of all, covid-19 is new and unknown and the guidelines are constantly changing. You can't give a plan for the next six weeks because we don't know what will happen in those weeks, every government is forced to be reactionary in a situation like this.

It 100% makes sense to look at what other countries are doing and follow suit if their decisions worked for them. We were able to see the affects of an extreme lockdown in China hence why so many countries are doing it now.

You also can't assume that what works in other countries would work for us. Copying isn't a solution, decisions based on modelling that takes into account how our population is distributed, age profile, health service capacity etc.

They also need to weigh up the pro and cons of various restrictions in terms of their effectiveness / negative impacts to society.

GazzaL

glasso wrote: »

what sort of range of businesses out of interest?

pure office work or more hands-on stuff?

More hands on stuff. Mechanics, hygiene products among others.

martingriff

glasso wrote: »

maybe it's a test leak for feedback and they are right now reading this thread!

they can't go polling on the streets too easily these days.

They aint that smart. If they wanted to fly kites they be doing it by media and polls by ringing

nthclare

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Half the world are taking similar or more severe approaches but never mind that, this is all a ploy from Leo to take away our freedom.

I don't know how some people on here get dressed in the morning, never mind figure out how to use a computer.

Exactly sure it'll be grand, let the normies do as they're entitled to..

They're not vulnerable or old... it's them we're alright Jack fck the rest.

Two more weeks of lockdown shouldn't be a problem, then maybe let people out on their own in car's to go on drive's or get some sea air, then incrementally start easing the restrictions..

No point in opening the dam fully when it's about to burst the banks and flood the low lands.

Gradually and it'll all be ok....patience is a virtue.

This is hard on people I know but it'll pass and everybody's in the same boat.

There's no discrimination.

I'm an avid surfer 15 minutes from Fanore and I am coping ok it's a long winter and I'll be definitely on a 3 day week until this time next year.

There's plenty of time, give time time.