JazzyJ wrote: » I guess, for some reason, people are expecting the virus to be completely gone with the lockdown and the fact that there still new cases appearing every day seem to think that it's failed. Really they're looking for a quick fix, and there is none. Reality just hasn't hit home. This is going to be a really really long drawn out process unfortunately.
ixoy wrote: » Are you of the opinion we can't lift any restrictions on the 5th? The evidence of transmission rate would suggest otherwise. No huge lift obviously, but some small elements rolled back. Most other EU nations are doing this and no, they're not all better than we are.
easypazz wrote: » They are also reducing the number of people in built up areas, potentially reducing the spread of risk there and making social distancing more attainable.
easypazz wrote: » Precisely, the lockdown didn't work, and won't work indefinitely.
the kelt wrote: » Because we were told that the actions we took and the timings of the actions that we took etc were implemented to ensure we did not end up in a situation as bad as Spain. If thats not the case then lets hear it rather than the mixed messages and skewed rhetoric we have received to date. If this isnt working then lets hear it. Lets go back to publishing the minutes of meetings between the NPHET and the Government as was the case up until the 31st of March but has suddenly stopped for some reason. Ive no doubt if those minutes exist it will provide some clarity as to the issues involved in ramping up testing and the decision to shift patients from hospitals to nursing homes and the subsequent spikes that have happened in said nursing homes, maybe theres no correlation at all, maybe there is. Maybe just maybe we arent actually handling this outbreak as well as is being claimed hence the non release of meeting minutes. Or maybe we should just continue on regardless and not ask these questions?
seamus wrote: » If 200 people leave a town of 20,000 and arrive at a town of 150, the negative impact on the latter is far greater than the positive impact on the former.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » It's still possible but as of now they would not be changed. Yesterday there were over 700 new cases reported, that's the reality of where we are. No amount of pretending otherwise puts us in a better place. The real people to direct annoyance at are those breaking the advice with dumb garden parties and the like. They'll be the ones responsible for extension, not the govt.
JazzyJ wrote: » It has worked. The hospitals were not overrun. And in order to prevent them being overrun restrictions will have to continue. At this point its about opening up things as much as possible without impacting the health service negatively. The hard part is figuring out where the balance point is without going on the wrong side of it.
Penfailed wrote: » You simply can't say that it didn't work. The ONLY way to be able to demonstrate that it didn't work is physically impossible as it involves a time machine.
DeVore wrote: » Why do people continue to say the lockdown hasnt worked?!
easypazz wrote: » Full lockdown forever if necessary camp so.
stephenjmcd wrote: » It has worked. The hospitals were not overrun. And in order to prevent them being overrun restrictions will have to continue. At this point its about opening up things as much as possible without impacting the health service negatively. The hard part is figuring out where the balance point is without going on the wrong side of it.
hopalongcass wrote: » Heres somebody from the frontline why don't you take a few minutes out of your day and watch that before you call people idiots.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&t=418s
seamus wrote: » You're answering it there yourself. If people go down to holiday homes, they're interacting with local businesses, potentially spreading the virus. There are logistical issues too, where areas heavily reliant on tourism now don't have the capacity to deal with an influx of tourists; restaurants are closed, supermarkets are under pressure from residents already. As a result, the local infrastructure comes under intense pressure.
easypazz wrote: » How has it worked so?
Hogzy wrote: » We can all pluck random videos from people on the internet to back up our points. Are either of those doctors opinions published in any medical journals anywhere? My guess is no.
The hospitals were not overrun. And in order to prevent them being overrun restrictions will have to continue.
titan18 wrote: » How about those who wants restrictions to end sign waivers that they'll forgo hospital treatments so that they can carry on with their lives and go to the pub. Those of who are more concerned with the health of people rather than the economy can get treatment then if we get it.
growleaves wrote: » Sweden tripled their ICU capacity during this pandemic. Are we making any efforts to expand our ICU capacity to prevent hospitals being overrun? Again I have to ask, why is it that the most destructive policy is considered the only viable one?
HeidiHeidi wrote: » It also seems to me that the opening up of restrictions is completely dependent on getting the testing/contact tracing system up to speed, and this seems to be constantly out of reach. Has anyone said why they can't seem to get the testing/contact tracing systems up and running to the required capacity? Is it money, personnel, industrial relations, equipment -what? This is the main aspect of things lately that's making me really nervous - nobody is talking about this (that I've heard, anyway), and it's really, really important.....
omeara1113 wrote: » I honestly think two more weeks will do no harm the health of people is more important than going for a few pints this is not the time to let up
robbiezero wrote: » What will be different in 2 weeks?
the kelt wrote: » No, nobody is talking about it. No one asking the questions, information is being denied. Meetings between NPHET and the government were minuted and released up until 31st of March and has stopped for some reason. Maybe just maybe rather than Johnny breaking the 2km curfew to visit his father isnt the problem as its been put and its at a much much higher level where the ball is being dropped. Who knows?
easypazz wrote: » My point exactly. There will still be cases and the economy will be destroyed even more. We need to ease restrictions and learn to live with the consequences.
