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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

Find her briefing today from RTE feed. It's all there.

Ah ok thanks, didnt realise it was from that briefing. Cheers

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paywall on that, what's the gist of the article do you know ?

Find her briefing today from RTE feed. It's all there.

drunkmonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paywall on that, what's the gist of the article do you know ?

The public’s “patience and resolve” to comply with Covid-19 restrictions is “waning”, a senior government official has said, appealing for people to “keep going as best we can”.

Liz Canavan was speaking at the daily Covid-19 briefing at Government Buildings Monday morning, where she expressed concern at reports on social media “that some people are getting very fed up of the social distancing measures”.

“They’re feeling confined, they’re stuck in the house or local area, and they’re having to queue to get into shops. We do know how frustrating it is, and we know people’s patience and resolve is waning,” she said.

But she appealed to people to continue to observe the lockdown. “This is what is required of each and everyone of us at each step to delay the transmission of Covid-19. We know that call has not fallen on deaf ears so far . . . For now we just need to keep going as best we can,” Ms Canavan said.

Later, asked if the Government wished to dampen expectations of the restrictions being relaxed next week, Ms Canavan said they were guided by the public health advice in the first instance and the Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan had previously issued the same message. It is not yet clear what actions would be taken next week, she indicated.

However, she said that the Government was very conscious of “anticipator behaviour”, where “people get ahead of where we need to be”. There is a danger that people will expect relaxation of the restrictions next week, and will begin to reduce their observation of social distancing over the coming weekend, she warned. On May 5th, an update on the restrictions will be given to the public with a roadmap for lifting the measures due to be published before that date.

Spencer Brown

omeara1113 wrote: »

I honestly think two more weeks will do no harm the health of people is more important than going for a few pints this is not the time to let up

I honestly think your post is moronic. It's not about pints FFS.

stephenjmcd

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's the plan children...

On May 5th, an update on the restrictions will be given to the public with a roadmap for lifting the measures due to be published before that date.

Expect an update on the 4th as we can't be told before that incase we misbehave.

Coronavirus: Government admits growing frustration among public over restrictions (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-government-admits-growing-frustration-among-public-over-restrictions-1.4238890

Paywall on that, what's the gist of the article do you know ?

dePeatrick

Another three weeks of restrictions and we will have this virus well and truly contained. This could give us the gap we need to contain the virus and get in with life as normal as is possible.

Lifting restrictions now will mean having to enforce them again within six weeks.

is_that_so

Yeah wrong link I see.

the kelt

is_that_so wrote: »

Just NEPHT. They are coming and will be available. Latest ones here are 11 April, so now a two week delay.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/4abdb7-minutes-of-national-public-health-emergency-team-nphet-meetings-2019

Little bit more than 2 weeks delay it seems, that link is for 2019

Link below for 2020

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/691330-national-public-health-emergency-team-covid-19-coronavirus/

HeidiHeidi

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What costal location has 19,850 vacant holiday homes. None.

What??

the kelt

is_that_so wrote: »

Probably not. The CMO said the two meetings a week meant that some stuff had been given a slightly lower priority, like the publication of minutes.

I just realised the link saying there are reports coming are for 2019!!

drunkmonkey

seamus wrote: »

If 200 people leave a town of 20,000 and arrive at a town of 150, the negative impact on the latter is far greater than the positive impact on the former.

What costal location has 19,850 vacant holiday homes. None.

is_that_so

the kelt wrote: »

Thanks for that, it seems the pressure by Vicky Phelan has worked.

Probably not. The CMO said the two meetings a week meant that some stuff had been given a slightly lower priority, like the publication of minutes.

drunkmonkey

Here's the plan children...

On May 5th, an update on the restrictions will be given to the public with a roadmap for lifting the measures due to be published before that date.

Expect an update on the 4th as we can't be told before that incase we misbehave.

Coronavirus: Government admits growing frustration among public over restrictions (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-government-admits-growing-frustration-among-public-over-restrictions-1.4238890

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RugbyLad11 wrote: »

What town of just 150 has 200 holiday homes?

Or, how did "200 people" turn into "200 holiday homes", for that matter?

Though I am sure there are some families of 5 who when they go on holiday together - would love a house each

Tacitus Kilgore

easypazz wrote: »

My point exactly.

There will still be cases and the economy will be destroyed even more.

We need to ease restrictions and learn to live with the consequences.

Or how about this? - We need to ease consequences and learn to live with restrictions

easypazz

robbiezero wrote: »

What will be different in 2 weeks?

My point exactly.

There will still be cases and the economy will be destroyed even more.

We need to ease restrictions and learn to live with the consequences.

RugbyLad11

seamus wrote: »

If 200 people leave a town of 20,000 and arrive at a town of 150, the negative impact on the latter is far greater than the positive impact on the former.

What town of just 150 has 200 holiday homes?

is_that_so

the kelt wrote: »

No, nobody is talking about it.

No one asking the questions, information is being denied. Meetings between NPHET and the government were minuted and released up until 31st of March and has stopped for some reason.

Maybe just maybe rather than Johnny breaking the 2km curfew to visit his father isnt the problem as its been put and its at a much much higher level where the ball is being dropped.

Who knows?

Just NEPHT. They are coming and will be available. Latest ones here are 31 March, as stated above.

EDIT: Original link was incorrect.
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/691330-national-public-health-emergency-team-covid-19-coronavirus/

Tacitus Kilgore

robbiezero wrote: »

What will be different in 2 weeks?

It's gonna be May

robbiezero

omeara1113 wrote: »

I honestly think two more weeks will do no harm the health of people is more important than going for a few pints this is not the time to let up

What will be different in 2 weeks?

the kelt

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

It also seems to me that the opening up of restrictions is completely dependent on getting the testing/contact tracing system up to speed, and this seems to be constantly out of reach.

Has anyone said why they can't seem to get the testing/contact tracing systems up and running to the required capacity? Is it money, personnel, industrial relations, equipment -what?

This is the main aspect of things lately that's making me really nervous - nobody is talking about this (that I've heard, anyway), and it's really, really important.....

No, nobody is talking about it.

No one asking the questions, information is being denied. Meetings between NPHET and the government were minuted and released up until 31st of March and has stopped for some reason.

Maybe just maybe rather than Johnny breaking the 2km curfew to visit his father isnt the problem as its been put and its at a much much higher level where the ball is being dropped.

Who knows?

is_that_so

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

It also seems to me that the opening up of restrictions is completely dependent on getting the testing/contact tracing system up to speed, and this seems to be constantly out of reach.

Has anyone said why they can't seem to get the testing/contact tracing systems up and running to the required capacity? Is it money, personnel, industrial relations, equipment -what?

This is the main aspect of things lately that's making me really nervous - nobody is talking about this (that I've heard, anyway), and it's really, really important.....

They now seem to have all the bits in place but what is a challenge is a real time response i.e. 24 hours as the system moves towards the potential to test 100000 a week. That process has just been agreed but it will take time to get there. The looser case definition testing from this week will be a good test.

HeidiHeidi

growleaves wrote: »

Sweden tripled their ICU capacity during this pandemic. Are we making any efforts to expand our ICU capacity to prevent hospitals being overrun?

Again I have to ask, why is it that the most destructive policy is considered the only viable one?

There were huge expansions to ICU capacity - The Mater for one I think doubled their ICU beds. Can't give you exact numbers but for sure our ICU capacity is way above what it was before Covid.

ICU beds also needs staff though, and they can't be magicked up overnight - and that's where the main problems will arise I think if they get overwhelmed.

eggy81

titan18 wrote: »

How about those who wants restrictions to end sign waivers that they'll forgo hospital treatments so that they can carry on with their lives and go to the pub. Those of who are more concerned with the health of people rather than the economy can get treatment then if we get it.

Hmm. Yes ye would love that. People go out and work and spend and get the economy off the ground and everyone else reaps the benefit of it.. ideal

hopalongcass

Hogzy wrote: »

We can all pluck random videos from people on the internet to back up our points. Are either of those doctors opinions published in any medical journals anywhere? My guess is no.

There is none as blind as those who cannot see,i challenge anybody to watch that whole video and listen to a real doctor that actually cares about people.

growleaves

The hospitals were not overrun. And in order to prevent them being overrun restrictions will have to continue.

Sweden tripled their ICU capacity during this pandemic. Are we making any efforts to expand our ICU capacity to prevent hospitals being overrun?

Again I have to ask, why is it that the most destructive policy is considered the only viable one?

RooTruth2020

Hogzy wrote: »

We can all pluck random videos from people on the internet to back up our points. Are either of those doctors opinions published in any medical journals anywhere? My guess is no.

What a stupid point - do you really think most doctors on the front line saving lives have time to be writing journal articles.

God you're deluded.

Tacitus Kilgore

easypazz wrote: »

How has it worked so?

What do you reckon would be the current status if the restrictions " worked " in your eyes?

drunkmonkey

seamus wrote: »

You're answering it there yourself. If people go down to holiday homes, they're interacting with local businesses, potentially spreading the virus.

There are logistical issues too, where areas heavily reliant on tourism now don't have the capacity to deal with an influx of tourists; restaurants are closed, supermarkets are under pressure from residents already. As a result, the local infrastructure comes under intense pressure.

How are they spreading the virus if they've been in lockdown and don't have it. If local businesses are taking proper precautions there is no issue.
There is no mad influx of tourists only home owners, there won't be the usual tour buses arriving every hour, there won't be day trippers as there's no services unless they intend to go to the toilet on the beach.

Local shops aren't under pressure, quite the opposite there operating in a ghost town. All pubs and restaurants are closed.

A few home owners going to their homes and enjoying time outdoors with their families should not be an issue.

Hogzy

hopalongcass wrote: »

Heres somebody from the frontline why don't you take a few minutes out of your day and watch that before you call people idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&t=418s

We can all pluck random videos from people on the internet to back up our points. Are either of those doctors opinions published in any medical journals anywhere? My guess is no.