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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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setanta1984

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Other counties at least set out their plans in advance, we wait until the last minute. They needed to give people a bit of hope and something to look forward to. Instead we've just got basically threatened with another 2 weeks.

I fear we're going to be one of the most conservative and slowest countries in the world to make any kind of decision on anything.

michaelm

Blueshoe wrote: »

They were able to say that there is more movement of the public and showed some statistics given by Apple.

Why are Apple sharing people's data with the government?
Nobody seems to have noticed or been bothered by it

No expert on this so could be wrong but as far as I know they are not sharing people's data, just that there were x number of devices (phone etc) in a particular place at a particular time. I'm assuming this is the same technology that allows Google to create traffic alerts.

Cork Boy 53

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The intrusion into privacy and obstruction of liberty forever more is something we should of objected to when we had the chance. Micheal D signed in laws prematurely

If you have nothing you want to keep hidden then you should have no reason to be concerned.

Blueshoe

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If you have nothing you want to keep hidden then you should have no reason to be concerned.

If you have nothing to say then you shouldn't care about free speech.

Stop the lights

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Construction sites are open. The rhetoric of the other countries having more restrictions is not true

In Spain it is. Except for dog walking, you were not allowed to go outside in public places to take any exercise. Dog walkers were restricted to a certain amount of meters from their house.

Allowing some sectors to return to work as long as social distancing measures could be applied, does mean a country is open.

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If you have nothing you want to keep hidden then you should have no reason to be concerned.

If they publish my internet history over the past few weeks the restrictions will be the least of my problems

[Deleted User]

Pops_20 wrote: »

The news and media are Dublin and West of Ireland focussed to an extent. I agree with you that there are very few people out and about in Cork City, and the Covid numbers reflect this.
Very few cases in Cork hospitals. They haven't seen anywhere near the surge they were expecting.

How can people not understand that this is because of the lockdown and social distancing.

billyhead

No point in the Gov saying now what restrictions will be eased on the 5th when this is a fluid situation and can change consistently. Better to leave it nearer and then tell the public. Also if the easing is limited on the 5th people could get rightly pissed off and start breaking rules now in defiance.

ZX7R

Pops_20 wrote: »

The news and media are Dublin and West of Ireland focussed to an extent. I agree with you that there are very few people out and about in Cork City, and the Covid numbers reflect this.
Very few cases in Cork hospitals. They haven't seen anywhere near the surge they were expecting.

On Garda Twitter earlier some part of Dublin social distancing was being respected and there check points were quite.
Hard to know who to believe

snowstorm445

setanta1984 wrote: »

Its soul-destroying to see country after country around europe announce their plans to reopen while we sit here in the dark. It's depressing.

Here in Belgium they've announced extremely detailed plans for a step-by-step re-opening; hardware stores and garden centres are already reopened, then "fabric shops" on May 4th, other shops by the middle of May, primary schools from the 18th (with restrictions on student numbers), pubs and restaurants potentially by early June and reopening its borders later that month.

Again, this is all assuming the current decline in numbers is sustained and it doesn't flare up again, which everyone understands. But the government here has done an excellent job of implementing the lockdown and now scheduling a gradual return to normality; they are able to acknowledge the damage this is doing to normal life and are willing to trust the public in doing what is asked of them and not lecturing from on high as seems to be the case in Ireland. Bear in mind this is in a country where government barely even functions at the best of times (before this crisis began, Belgium had been without a government for nearly a year); the level of detail is admirable.

Also the idea that the Irish are unique in recklessly gallivanting outside is nonsense, the weather over here has been exceptionally warm the last fortnight and plenty of people are out and about, the majority adhering to social distancing of course. Also, despite Belgium being far more densely populated than Ireland (11 million people in an area not much bigger than Munster), they've never implemented an official 2km travel limit here, again, perhaps a sign they are willing to trust their population to generally adhere to the guidelines and not act the maggot.

I just hope for the sake of everyone back in Ireland, especially my family and friends, that some sort of light at the end of the tunnel will appear shortly.

alwald

road_high wrote: »

Compared to a hell of a lot of people right now- yes it is. And in the future as the unavoidable job losses and public spending cuts bite. People are going to suffer very hard, especially those dependent on a decimated state

I never said the opposite, most economists are forecasting a bad few years due to C-19 regardless if restrictions are lifted next week or in 3 weeks time.
My points have been always consistent in this thread:
- Open businesses bit by bit with a review every 2 to 3 weeks from the 5th of May
- Social distancing to be maintained and enforced in all businesses that open
- Encourage WFH for as long as necessary

There are some industries that won't open in the near future (Gigs, nigh clubs, stadiums...)

The 2 things that I don't want to see are:
- Irresponsible behavior from people/businesses that can lead to a spike of confirmed cases which might lead to further restrictions
- New cases imported from abroad (NI/UK specifically as we aren't at the same stage of this virus)

Is that clear??

Cork Boy 53

Blueshoe wrote: »

They were able to say that there is more movement of the public and showed some statistics given by Apple.

Why are Apple sharing people's data with the government?
Nobody seems to have noticed or been bothered by it

Why should they be unless they have something to hide?

iamwhoiam

It’s the lack of a plan or chink of light that is pissing people off . If they could just let people know that they are working on a strategy instead of telling us if we are bold we won’t be allowed out .

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If you have nothing you want to keep hidden then you should have no reason to be concerned.

You’re really losing the argument with this kind of stuff- free speech is the cornerstone of any liberal democracy and must be cherished and protected regardless of any pandemic

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Why should they be unless they have something to hide?

Right let's see your search history so. You should consider moving to Pyongyang when this is all over it'd probably suit you.

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

That's your definition of perfect life lol :pac:.

well you are lucky enough to have a garden (many people don't) and you are lucky enough to have kids (many people are getting through this completely alone). Your post sounded quite smug.

Anita Blow

snowstorm445 wrote: »

Here in Belgium they've announced extremely detailed plans for a step-by-step re-opening; hardware stores and garden centres are already reopened, then "fabric shops" on May 4th, other shops by the middle of May, primary schools from the 18th (with restrictions on student numbers), pubs and restaurants potentially by early June and reopening its borders later that month.

Again, this is all assuming the current decline in numbers is sustained and it doesn't flare up again, which everyone understands. But the government here has done an excellent job of implementing the lockdown and now scheduling a gradual return to normality; they are able to acknowledge the damage this is doing to normal life and are willing to trust the public in doing what is asked of them and not lecturing from on high as seems to be the case in Ireland. Bear in mind this is in a country where government barely even functions at the best of times (before this crisis began, Belgium had been without a government for nearly a year); the level of detail is admirable.

Also the idea that the Irish are unique in recklessly gallivanting outside is nonsense, the weather over here has been exceptionally warm the last fortnight and plenty of people are out and about, the majority adhering to social distancing of course. Also, despite Belgium being far more densely populated than Ireland (11 million people in an area not much bigger than Munster), they've never implemented an official 2km travel limit here, again, perhaps a sign they are willing to trust their population to generally adhere to the guidelines and not act the maggot.

I just hope for the sake of everyone back in Ireland, especially my family and friends, that some sort of light at the end of the tunnel will appear shortly.

To be fair, Belgium had a COVID death rate of 568 per million against Ireland's 163.5 per million so we have fared much better through this.

kwestfan08

Will staycations be allowed during the summer? Would love whenever it's safe to get a load of friends together and rent a house somewhere. Just catch up over drinks and food somewhere down the country.

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It’s the lack of a plan or chink of light that is pissing people off . If they could just let people know that they are working on a strategy instead of telling us if we are bold we won’t be allowed out .

Absolutely. It’s going on so long now- and then having unelected civil servants threatening us with even further lockdowns was just shocking in my opinion. I was already turning against it the past week but that kind of rubbish from Holohan and Harris really cemented it. I’d turf the lot of them out of office tmoro if if I felt there was a credible alternative

stephenjmcd

snowstorm445 wrote: »

Here in Belgium they've announced extremely detailed plans for a step-by-step re-opening; hardware stores and garden centres are already reopened, then "fabric shops" on May 4th, other shops by the middle of May, primary schools from the 18th (with restrictions on student numbers), pubs and restaurants potentially by early June and reopening its borders later that month.

Again, this is all assuming the current decline in numbers is sustained and it doesn't flare up again, which everyone understands. But the government here has done an excellent job of implementing the lockdown and now scheduling a gradual return to normality; they are able to acknowledge the damage this is doing to normal life and are willing to trust the public in doing what is asked of them and not lecturing from on high as seems to be the case in Ireland. Bear in mind this is in a country where government barely even functions at the best of times (before this crisis began, Belgium had been without a government for nearly a year); the level of detail is admirable.

Also the idea that the Irish are unique in recklessly gallivanting outside is nonsense, the weather over here has been exceptionally warm the last fortnight and plenty of people are out and about, the majority adhering to social distancing of course. Also, despite Belgium being far more densely populated than Ireland (11 million people in an area not much bigger than Munster), they've never implemented an official 2km travel limit here, again, perhaps a sign they are willing to trust their population to generally adhere to the guidelines and not act the maggot.

I just hope for the sake of everyone back in Ireland, especially my family and friends, that some sort of light at the end of the tunnel will appear shortly.

Excellent post thanks for sharing.

I did read the Belgian plans the other day and they were very impressive, every detail planned out and given to the public in advance. But given how hard Covid hit Belgium is there much anger towards the government there in terms of what they could have done differently up to now ?

But the publishing of a plan gives everyone something to aim towards

FintanMcluskey

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Right let's see your search history so. You should consider moving to Pyongyang when this is all over it'd probably suit you.

As if things couldnt get any worse, adverts now pop up warning people to "stay at home and w##k"
Now not only is that patronising in the extreme, its surely unnecessary , or perhaps there is now a market for that type of thing

stephenjmcd

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Will staycations be allowed during the summer? Would love whenever it's safe to get a load of friends together and rent a house somewhere. Just catch up over drinks and food somewhere down the country.

Absolutely hope so, assuming foreign travel will be off the cards until September at least is my guess so would be ideal to just be with friends and family and relax for a few days.

Spanish Eyes

Spain looks fkd to me. Tourism wise.

As does France and Italy also.

Portugal seems to be ok.

Wonder how Portugal escaped it in comparison to Spain.

Cork Boy 53

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Right let's see your search history so. You should consider moving to Pyongyang when this is all over it'd probably suit you.

Isn`t it close to your bedtime? Be sure to get mammy to give you a warm glass of milk and read you a nice bedtime story before she tucks you in.

snowstorm445

Anita Blow wrote: »

To be fair, Belgium had a COVID death rate of 568 per million against Ireland's 163.5 per million so we have fared much better through this.

You're not wrong; they actually implemented lockdown measures quite late here compared with Ireland (a few days later but of course with COVID that made a huge amount of difference). It has been one of the worst hit per capita, but that makes Ireland's approach to easing restrictions more confusing (although I know it's gotten progressively worse in Ireland compared with other European countries recently).

Belgium's not alone though, many countries are starting to give indications on when things can change (in detailed steps, not just leaving it to the last minute).

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Construction sites are open. The rhetoric of the other countries having more restrictions is not true

Both Spain and Italy had much more stringent restrictions.

setanta1984

snowstorm445 wrote: »

Here in Belgium they've announced extremely detailed plans for a step-by-step re-opening; hardware stores and garden centres are already reopened, then "fabric shops" on May 4th, other shops by the middle of May, primary schools from the 18th (with restrictions on student numbers), pubs and restaurants potentially by early June and reopening its borders later that month.

Again, this is all assuming the current decline in numbers is sustained and it doesn't flare up again, which everyone understands. But the government here has done an excellent job of implementing the lockdown and now scheduling a gradual return to normality; they are able to acknowledge the damage this is doing to normal life and are willing to trust the public in doing what is asked of them and not lecturing from on high as seems to be the case in Ireland. Bear in mind this is in a country where government barely even functions at the best of times (before this crisis began, Belgium had been without a government for nearly a year); the level of detail is admirable.

Also the idea that the Irish are unique in recklessly gallivanting outside is nonsense, the weather over here has been exceptionally warm the last fortnight and plenty of people are out and about, the majority adhering to social distancing of course. Also, despite Belgium being far more densely populated than Ireland (11 million people in an area not much bigger than Munster), they've never implemented an official 2km travel limit here, again, perhaps a sign they are willing to trust their population to generally adhere to the guidelines and not act the maggot.

I just hope for the sake of everyone back in Ireland, especially my family and friends, that some sort of light at the end of the tunnel will appear shortly.

It was the news story I was reading about Belgium that prompted my post.
Not ashamed to admit I started welling up a little bit while reading it and comparing it to how we are being treated to and spoken to in this country, giving no impression of hope whatsoever.
All we hear about is threats of further extensions, no ideas or plans on what may actually be restored on the 5th (and any time the 5th is mentioned they make damn sure to emphasise that the may only consider changing something).

When the extra 3 weeks was announced here, it felt tough but I felt confident it was easily doable, I broke it down into sections and fully believed we'd get milestones and plans over the course of those weeks to motivate and get us through it. As each day passed without any type of hopeful messaging I've seen my faith in the leadership dwindle sharply. And I was one who was proud and hopeful with the way our leaders started into this 7 weeks ago.

All I see to hope for now is pitiful "easing" on one or two types of retail store while making no changes that might actually make day to day life more bearable.
I can see us being subjected to watching the rest of Europe try to get back to life over the next 2 months while we are kept weeks and weeks behind and completely in the dark.

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Isn`t it close to your bedtime? Be sure to get mammy to give you a warm glass of milk and read you a nice bedtime story before she tucks you in.

Pathetic

niallo27

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Isn`t it close to your bedtime? Be sure to get mammy to give you a warm glass of milk and read you a nice bedtime story before she tucks you in.

You know your losing the debate if you have to resort to this. Is there any let up from you or are you not for turning even in the slightest.

thebaz

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It’s the lack of a plan or chink of light that is pissing people off . If they could just let people know that they are working on a strategy instead of telling us if we are bold we won’t be allowed out .

I agree, think most people up until this week , fealt the Government had done a reasonable job , but this week with the curve flattened, the 100,000 deaths not happeing and the spread well contained (apart from nursing homes) , people are coming to breaking point , and dont want more nanny state lectures from Simon and Co. about hunkering down for another 3 weeks of no fresh and the dire financial misery so many us are now enduring and facing into. Can the country realistically afford to keep near a million on social welfare indefinitly?